Mystery Car

[Tom-MI]

We found this picture in the attic. Any idea what year and model of the car? We are trying to date the picture.

Thanks
Tom

[petehoovie]

Any idea what year and model of the car?

[fordmerc7]

Not an Early Ford V8

[1931 flamingo]

Try posting on the AACA site??
Paul in CT

[51504bat]

If you don't get an answer here, try over on the HAMB.

[tubman]

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Originally Posted by 51504bat

If you don't get an answer here, try over on the HAMB.

Yeah, those guys would have answered it yesterday.

[deuce_roadster]

With wheels and body lines like that, I would bet mid to late 20s. I have no idea the make.

[51 MERC-CT]

One thing that caught my attention is the apparently different size front and rear tires.

[tomcarman]

You could try sending the picture to Hemmings under Lost & Found in Hemmings Classic Car magazine. Here's the email:

[email protected]

I too am interested in its make and model. My initial guess, and that's a stab in the dark is a Dodge. Please respond when it is identified.

[FlatheadTed]

Not a Chev ,Not a Ford ,Could be Rugby ,Durant ,Overland ,Studibaker, Whippet , Essex Dont think its Dodge they have a oval top on the Radiator ,

[mfagan]

Not a Willys Knight.

[tubman]

Lookit the odd rear wheels. The last time I saw something like that was on a WWI Lohner electric road engine. I'll take a wild guess that it is an Owen-Magnetic.

[Digger]

Put it on AACA general discussion. Someone will know instantly. And while you are there, check out the 155 page thread called Period Images to relieve some Stress. Thousands of photos like yours, really fun... samples attached...

[Will D]

Originally Posted by Digger

Put it on AACA general discussion. Someone will know instantly. And while you are there, check out the 155 page thread called Period Images to relieve some Stress. Thousands of photos like yours, really fun... samples attached...

Those are great photos!

[redmodelt]

Looks like someone put a Dodge rear end under it, but the car is not Dodge.

[petehoovie]

Here's a 1925 Buick >

[Will D]

Originally Posted by petehoovie

Here's a 1935 Buick >

Door panel spacing and headlights dont match Owen-Magnetic. Petehoovie, I think you got it. I'd put money on it being a Buick.

[RalphM]

Franklin is my guess, 1926ish

[tomcarman]

Originally Posted by 51 MERC-CT

One thing that caught my attention is the apparently different size front and rear tires.

Hard to tell but are the front wheels wood spoked and rears steel and is that a drum brake? Also looking at the radiator and headlamp is this car from the end of the brass era? Perhaps the car was cobbled together to keep it going in that era. Note the happy faces of the occupants, particularly the child in the rear seat. Fascinating bit of history.

[petehoovie]

Originally Posted by RalphM

Franklin is my guess, 1926ish

No louvers on the hood sides of a '26 Franklin....

[petehoovie]

Originally Posted by Will D

Door panel spacing and headlights dont match Owen-Magnetic. Petehoovie, I think you got it. I'd put money on it being a Buick.

Typo on the year from me. The pictures I posted are of 1925 Buick Tourings

[Lanny]

Look at the radiator of this 1920 Paterson. They were made for only
a few years in Flint, Mi.
Maybe not this year Paterson, but can anyone find other Paterson pics.





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[petehoovie]

Restored 1925 Buick Touring >

[Will D]

Originally Posted by Lanny

Look at the radiator of this 1920 Paterson. They were made for only
a few years in Flint, Mi.
Maybe not this year Paterson, but can anyone find other Paterson pics. .

Ok Lanny, I change from buick to Paterson. Look at just above the running board. On the buick is chrome pieces which don't match the OP picture. The Paterson looks like the same detail as OP picture.

As well as head height from door panel top edge to roof top. Looks closer on paterson compared to buick.

[petehoovie]

Is this Peterson a 2 door or a 4 door? Where are the door handles?

[Will D]

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Also take note of the window post that is present just in front of little girl on OP picture. This is absent on the buick but present on the Paterson.

[FlatheadTed]

I say 1909 Essex ,I could be wrong though ,

[Will D]

[Lanny]

Originally Posted by petehoovie

Is this Peterson a 2 door or a 4 door? Where are the door handles?

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Pete, the cars name is Paterson, Not Peterson.

Will D, also on a couple of the pics on the left of your pics,
it looks like the front wheels are bigger than the rear ???






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[petehoovie]

Originally Posted by Lanny

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Pete, the cars name is Paterson, Not Peterson.

Paterson....Gotcha.

[petehoovie]

On the Paterson - Can't make out what the badge on the radiator says....

[Will D]

1923 Paterson, model 22, sport HAC, 6 cyl, 55 hp, 120"wb

[Will D]

Says: Paterson made in FLINT

[tomcarman]

Just counted the louvers on the hood. Close as I can tell 21 louvers on OP. 24 on the Buick??? Otherwise very close in appearance. Paid close attention to the rearward angle of the lower rear top, at the childs head in the OP. Appears identical. Other opinions?

[Graeme / New Zealand]

what about an Amco?

[tomcarman]

Originally Posted by petehoovie

Is this Peterson a 2 door or a 4 door? Where are the door handles?

Note the front bumper. I have one nearly identical. After doing research I discovered they were dealer supplied options in that era. I found similar and identical bumpers on Lincoln and Nash cars from the mid to late '20's. Further research may reveal more.

[Brian]

I don't believe that any of the brands mentioned above have windscreen stanchions as in the original picture.
My initial thought was Durant, but nah....

[5851a]

The body almost looks like the Weyman? fabric bodies. At first glance I wanted to say it was a Case but couldn't find and other pictures. Interesting thread.

[40cpe]

The mystery car has some slight differences to the '25 Buick pictures. The mystery car doesn't appear to have front brakes, The mystery car has 21 hood louvers vs 24 on the Buick, The windshield stanchions on the mystery car are bolted to the side of the cowl while the Buick sits atop the cowl. The cowl top extends rearward from the windshield on the mystery car while it appears to stop at the windshield on the Buick. It might still be a Buick, but a slightly different year or model.

[TJ]

Looking at this old touring car I see a very wide radiator that I think may be a brass type. I also do not see front brakes on the car. The headlamps also look like the early style brass lamps. Can't say what the make is, but I think that car is 1916 or earlier.

[rotorwrench]

That big radiator reminds me of some of the post WWI Stanley Steamer cars but not all the characteristics are there. It does have a big radiator though. On a Stanley is would be a condenser. There were a lot of manufacturers that came and went in the early years before the depression.

[40 Deluxe]

Originally Posted by Will D

1923 Paterson, model 22, sport HAC, 6 cyl, 55 hp, 120"wb

Notice how close the fenders are to the tires on the mystery car? I wonder if the right side fenders are that close?

[tubman]

The driver does seem kind of Zaftig.

[40cpe]

Pay close attention to the windshield and stanchions. The mystery car doesn't match any of the pictures that are legible.

[swedishsteel]

how about Hupmobile? In the Minnesota Street Rod Association "Linechaser" that I received in the mail today, in the "Did you Know" column there is a picture (drawing) of a Hupmobile that is similar--not the same. The hood is longer and the roof support rods are angled forward, but the line of the roof and rear pillar are the same. Couldn't find many pics of Hupmobile on the net. Regards. Rod

[Lanny]

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Rod, the picture in this months Linechaser of the '22 Hup has
the 6 cyl engine with the longer hood.

Here are pics of a 1919 and a 1924 Hupmobile, and the
Hups do have a lot of similarities to the OP's mystery car.

Graeme's AMCO car in post # 35 looks close, too.
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[FlatheadTed]

Billy Durant wanted to take lizzie Ford to watch the Rugby but he couldn't because it was Willys night.

[Terranova]

I vote Westcott C38
Untitled by Mike Terranova, on Flickr

[cas3]

the tell tale signs of the mystery car are #1 the hood has no round edge, looks like it was made in a brake=sharp corners, and the radiator matches that. #2 the windshield has no conventional stantions, instead the main frame bolts straight to the cowl. drum headlights were in vogue in the mid 20's, and front brakes were not common until the mid 20's. i could swear i have seen that hood shape before, but...its a vacant spot in my memory

[scicala]

The original person that posted this was just looking to date the picture, more than knowing what the make was. Should be enough info for him to guess within a year or two. I would say early to mid 20's is a good guess.

Sal

[jimvette59]

It looks like the rear wheel it broken.

[frnkeore]

Originally Posted by Terranova

I vote Westcott C38
Untitled by Mike Terranova, on Flickr

The top and hub caps and front brakes look better but the cowl to door and hood and radiator are different