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wadester · 06-09-2018, 05:33 PM

Looking for some guidance. we just purchased an 1930 Victoria leatherback and there are some issues in the rear that needs addressed. my question is there a vertical brace that connects to the chassis wood and goes up to the bottom of the rear windon directly in the center of the rear of the car? Also i am lookng for the clip that mounts to the wood that the back seat latches in. Does anyone know what that small latch is called. The read seat does have the male portion on it but is missing on the body.
thanks in advance for any help!!!
Wadester

jw hash · 06-09-2018, 05:49 PM

it is the female rear seat latch. they are the same in the steel back and A400

Oldbluoval · 06-09-2018, 06:29 PM

Yes there is a vertical brace that goes from the rear wood sill to the belt rail
Leatherback and steel back are different

The latches are reproduced but come and go as to availability

Call Berts Denver

wadester · 06-09-2018, 07:11 PM

ok thanks for the info!!!

wadester · 06-09-2018, 07:18 PM

Also been looking for some up close pictures of how the original rain gutter mounted and how the vinyl is tucked under it. What was on the car is aluminum. I am assuming that isn't original correct. i just subscribed to the Victoria association and will be getting some books in a few days or so. I am quite a ways from this point but was trying to gather all info. Question? after the rain gutter is installed should you be able to see any nails on the rain gutter?

Vern · 06-09-2018, 11:11 PM

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Wadester, shoot me an email and I’ll forward some pictures of the leatherback gutter installation.
[email protected]
Actually there are two vertical braces at the rear of a leatherback, one below each side of the rear window frame. The steelback has only one, centered.
The rear spare tire supports are also different.
The seat catches are the same.

jw hash · 06-10-2018, 08:33 AM

Vern, there are three braces in the back of the leatherback, the center one is metal and the other two braces on the are wood.

wadester · 06-10-2018, 08:35 AM

Thank you so much Vern, i am sending an email now!!!

wadester · 06-10-2018, 08:41 AM

JW,
Is the center metal brace a short brace. In other word it does not go all the way up to the belt line. Mine does have a small metal brace in the center but it's only about 6" tall and looks more like a corner brace. I am assuming the other two wooden tall braces will come in the body wood kit correct?
Thanks Wade

jw hash · 06-10-2018, 09:05 AM

yes the outer two braces should come in the wood kit. here is a couple pictures of my body back in the early 80`s

wadester · 06-10-2018, 09:19 AM

Thanks for sharing, Here is what we have now. it looks like our center brace is either wrong or its missing. where would i find one? Maybe Bert's?
Thanks
Im trying to figure out how to upload my picture!!

wadester · 06-10-2018, 09:39 AM

here is what i have now.

wadester · 06-10-2018, 10:03 AM

JW,
from the looks of your pics it looks like the body wood has to assembled prior to the body being installed because it screws from the outside. is this when we adjust the cowl to get the doors to line up correctly?
Wadetser

jw hash · 06-10-2018, 02:07 PM

Wadetser I have seen that bracket before. I wonder if they might of been used on the very early Victoria`s. and yes I assembled all the wood before final installation of the rear sheet metal. I did have the back sheet metal on & off a couple times in the process and you will need a little help. if you go that way, there is two vertical pieces of wood right behind the 1/4 windows with three screws in each. leave them off until after the rear sheet metal is on. I started by building the sub frame than lining the doors too the cowl then installing the cowl and doors on the sub frame and line it up as you go.

Vern · 06-10-2018, 02:33 PM

These photos are from the Victoria Association should give you an idea of how the wood brackets are installed and of the three types of spare tire brackets. You have the earliest one.

wadester · 06-10-2018, 02:45 PM

Thanks JW,
There has been some issues back there and will have to address them. My body number is 190A 2392 so it is pretty early. something just doesn't look right about the brace but i could be wrong

. All the pictures i have seen seems to have the full brace. If you run across on let me know along with the female latch for the rear seat. we are just starting the full restoration so have a bit of time. I like the idea of installing to wood and body that way. We are carefully in the disassembling process !!!!!

wadester · 06-10-2018, 03:00 PM

Thanks Vern,
That's why i need to be a member of the Victoria association right there. You mean i have a prototype!!! Man i need the full brace or will end up in the same boat and have a cracked back panel like we have now!! I sent you an email earlier just wondering if you received in on the rain gutter?
Thanks Wadester

Ed's Vickie · 06-10-2018, 10:45 PM

These are available @S & S INDUSTRIES 5534 Centralia Hartfield Rd. Dewittville NY 14728
(716) 753-2238 (Male spring clip @ rear seat) They are the same as the rear clip for the rear seat in the Station Wagon. ED

wadester · 06-11-2018, 08:16 AM

Thanks Ed for the information. I will reach out to them!!
Much appreciated...

Oldbluoval · 06-11-2018, 11:59 AM

The ones for the seat base are larger than the rear seat clips. At least the originals are.

The male part is fairly available its the female spring clip that is rather elusive to find sometimes.

06-09-2018, 05:33 PM	#1
wadester Junior Member Join Date: Jun 2018 Location: Marshall, texas Posts: 15	1930 Victoria leatherback inner panel rear spare tire brace Looking for some guidance. we just purchased an 1930 Victoria leatherback and there are some issues in the rear that needs addressed. my question is there a vertical brace that connects to the chassis wood and goes up to the bottom of the rear windon directly in the center of the rear of the car? Also i am lookng for the clip that mounts to the wood that the back seat latches in. Does anyone know what that small latch is called. The read seat does have the male portion on it but is missing on the body. thanks in advance for any help!!! Wadester

06-09-2018, 05:49 PM	#2
jw hash Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Auburn Washington Posts: 2,552	Re: 1930 Victoria leatherback inner panel rear spare tire brace it is the female rear seat latch. they are the same in the steel back and A400

06-09-2018, 06:29 PM	#3
Oldbluoval Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2015 Location: Signal Mtn, TN (SE TN) Posts: 2,370	Re: 1930 Victoria leatherback inner panel rear spare tire brace Yes there is a vertical brace that goes from the rear wood sill to the belt rail Leatherback and steel back are different The latches are reproduced but come and go as to availability Call Berts Denver

06-09-2018, 07:11 PM	#4
wadester Junior Member Join Date: Jun 2018 Location: Marshall, texas Posts: 15	Re: 1930 Victoria leatherback inner panel rear spare tire brace ok thanks for the info!!!

06-09-2018, 07:18 PM	#5
wadester Junior Member Join Date: Jun 2018 Location: Marshall, texas Posts: 15	Re: 1930 Victoria leatherback inner panel rear spare tire brace Also been looking for some up close pictures of how the original rain gutter mounted and how the vinyl is tucked under it. What was on the car is aluminum. I am assuming that isn't original correct. i just subscribed to the Victoria association and will be getting some books in a few days or so. I am quite a ways from this point but was trying to gather all info. Question? after the rain gutter is installed should you be able to see any nails on the rain gutter?

06-09-2018, 11:11 PM	#6
Vern Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 572	Re: 1930 Victoria leatherback inner panel rear spare tire brace Sponsored Links (Register now to hide all advertisements) Wadester, shoot me an email and I’ll forward some pictures of the leatherback gutter installation. [email protected] Actually there are two vertical braces at the rear of a leatherback, one below each side of the rear window frame. The steelback has only one, centered. The rear spare tire supports are also different. The seat catches are the same. Last edited by Vern; 06-09-2018 at 11:17 PM. Reason: Added answer

06-10-2018, 08:33 AM	#7
jw hash Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Auburn Washington Posts: 2,552	Re: 1930 Victoria leatherback inner panel rear spare tire brace Vern, there are three braces in the back of the leatherback, the center one is metal and the other two braces on the are wood.

06-10-2018, 08:35 AM	#8
wadester Junior Member Join Date: Jun 2018 Location: Marshall, texas Posts: 15	Re: 1930 Victoria leatherback inner panel rear spare tire brace Thank you so much Vern, i am sending an email now!!!

06-10-2018, 08:41 AM	#9
wadester Junior Member Join Date: Jun 2018 Location: Marshall, texas Posts: 15	Re: 1930 Victoria leatherback inner panel rear spare tire brace JW, Is the center metal brace a short brace. In other word it does not go all the way up to the belt line. Mine does have a small metal brace in the center but it's only about 6" tall and looks more like a corner brace. I am assuming the other two wooden tall braces will come in the body wood kit correct? Thanks Wade

06-10-2018, 09:19 AM	#11
wadester Junior Member Join Date: Jun 2018 Location: Marshall, texas Posts: 15	Re: 1930 Victoria leatherback inner panel rear spare tire brace Thanks for sharing, Here is what we have now. it looks like our center brace is either wrong or its missing. where would i find one? Maybe Bert's? Thanks Im trying to figure out how to upload my picture!!

06-10-2018, 10:03 AM	#13
wadester Junior Member Join Date: Jun 2018 Location: Marshall, texas Posts: 15	Re: 1930 Victoria leatherback inner panel rear spare tire brace JW, from the looks of your pics it looks like the body wood has to assembled prior to the body being installed because it screws from the outside. is this when we adjust the cowl to get the doors to line up correctly? Wadetser

06-10-2018, 02:07 PM	#14
jw hash Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Auburn Washington Posts: 2,552	Re: 1930 Victoria leatherback inner panel rear spare tire brace Wadetser I have seen that bracket before. I wonder if they might of been used on the very early Victoria`s. and yes I assembled all the wood before final installation of the rear sheet metal. I did have the back sheet metal on & off a couple times in the process and you will need a little help. if you go that way, there is two vertical pieces of wood right behind the 1/4 windows with three screws in each. leave them off until after the rear sheet metal is on. I started by building the sub frame than lining the doors too the cowl then installing the cowl and doors on the sub frame and line it up as you go.

06-10-2018, 02:33 PM	#15
Vern Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 572	Re: 1930 Victoria leatherback inner panel rear spare tire brace These photos are from the Victoria Association should give you an idea of how the wood brackets are installed and of the three types of spare tire brackets. You have the earliest one. Last edited by Vern; 05-30-2020 at 08:00 PM.

06-10-2018, 02:45 PM	#16
wadester Junior Member Join Date: Jun 2018 Location: Marshall, texas Posts: 15	Re: 1930 Victoria leatherback inner panel rear spare tire brace Thanks JW, There has been some issues back there and will have to address them. My body number is 190A 2392 so it is pretty early. something just doesn't look right about the brace but i could be wrong . All the pictures i have seen seems to have the full brace. If you run across on let me know along with the female latch for the rear seat. we are just starting the full restoration so have a bit of time. I like the idea of installing to wood and body that way. We are carefully in the disassembling process !!!!!

06-10-2018, 03:00 PM	#17
wadester Junior Member Join Date: Jun 2018 Location: Marshall, texas Posts: 15	Re: 1930 Victoria leatherback inner panel rear spare tire brace Thanks Vern, That's why i need to be a member of the Victoria association right there. You mean i have a prototype!!! Man i need the full brace or will end up in the same boat and have a cracked back panel like we have now!! I sent you an email earlier just wondering if you received in on the rain gutter? Thanks Wadester

06-10-2018, 10:45 PM	#18
Ed's Vickie Member Join Date: Apr 2015 Location: La Mesa CA> Posts: 39	Re: 1930 Victoria leatherback inner panel rear spare tire brace These are available @S & S INDUSTRIES 5534 Centralia Hartfield Rd. Dewittville NY 14728 (716) 753-2238 (Male spring clip @ rear seat) They are the same as the rear clip for the rear seat in the Station Wagon. ED

06-11-2018, 08:16 AM	#19
wadester Junior Member Join Date: Jun 2018 Location: Marshall, texas Posts: 15	Re: 1930 Victoria leatherback inner panel rear spare tire brace Thanks Ed for the information. I will reach out to them!! Much appreciated...

06-11-2018, 11:59 AM	#20
Oldbluoval Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2015 Location: Signal Mtn, TN (SE TN) Posts: 2,370	Re: 1930 Victoria leatherback inner panel rear spare tire brace The ones for the seat base are larger than the rear seat clips. At least the originals are. The male part is fairly available its the female spring clip that is rather elusive to find sometimes.