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Old 07-06-2019, 09:10 AM   #1
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Default 1930 Sport Coupe finally!!

Finally put it on the rollback and took it to my shop. It's sit in my dad's garage for atleast five years and not been cranked, probably closer to ten if not more. You know how time gets away.. It's in pretty solid shape but as always you keep finding things, j shape in front fender that's welded underneath. It's a little rusty in the rear underneath but looks like just surface rust. I'd say if disassembled there's probably more serious rust. But it stays dry and won't hit the road salt while I'm custodian.

It's fun and brings back memories I didn't even know I had, my grand dad with old parts in his little out building with dirt floor that was his workshop. Stumbling over old frames that were covered up by weeds and asking my dad "what's this"? Oh, that's an old model (t) (a) frame, rear end, body. The stuff wasn't that special then as poor folks had used up what they thought was the useful life of it and they wanted something new and trouble free.. Ha!

I don't know about you fellows but I feel a connection with the past that's very satisfying with this car.

I've learned a few things,,, it's a 1930 sport coupe with an engine assembly number A4331520. I'm getting February of 1931????? Title number doesn't match but it's close with a433----- The cross rail in front of the seat is marked NK1535, assembled in Norfolk Va?? Not sure what 1535 signifies?

Since I have you here I will ask one more question,,,,,,, what is the threaded looking thing behind the bearing? It looks like it's bent just a little.
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Old 07-06-2019, 10:13 AM   #2
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what is the threaded looking thing behind the bearing? It looks like it's bent just a little.
Which bearing? You need to be more specific.
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Which bearing? You need to be more specific.
I couldn't post the photo of it, not sure why. It's behind the inner front wheel bearing. I'll try and post a photo later if I can figure out what's wrong. Might be image size and I'm having a hard time figuring out how to resize on the iPad.
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Finally got it resized. It looks like it's threaded and is larger diameter than the back of the bearing.
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First of all it is not threaded...it is pressed onto the spindle.

In the repro parts books it is refered to as "Front Axle Inner Dust Ring".

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First of all it is not threaded...it is pressed onto the spindle.

In the repro parts books it is refered to as "Front Axle Inner Dust Ring".

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Old 07-06-2019, 11:04 AM   #7
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Below is a url address for Brattons parts which shows all of the front end.

If you are talking about the part with the four bolts it is a "front brake grease baffle" but if you are talking about the part that is to the inside of that it is part of the front spindle.
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Old 07-06-2019, 11:23 AM   #8
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Sorry, here is the url!

https://www.brattons.com/front-spind...embly.htmlorry
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Old 07-06-2019, 11:28 AM   #9
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It is what Steve said "front axle inner dust seal".

Thanks for that link though.
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Old 07-06-2019, 12:13 PM   #10
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thats a gem. beautiful car. I had cracks on all four fenders



Get some barbeque black rustoleum and a wire brush to slow rust.I find it gives me motivation on projects, its a 5 minute job and if I lose motivation the rust dont grow.




new to the model A read this how to.






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Old 07-07-2019, 12:59 PM   #13
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The NK 1535 is a production number. We feel they are for each assembly plant and are probably by body style. We believe they stamped the digits sequentially starting in late 1927 with number one for each body type. In 1930 they probably reverted back to number one for each body style and continued through the end of Model A production in 1931. The Norfolk assembly plant made 3,303 Sport Coupes in 1930, so it appears yours was assembled around mid year. Does it have an oval or round speedometer?
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Speedometer is oval.
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Sport Coupes died a quick death with the public..134k in '29,19k in 31,less than 6k in '32.

They were the hottest thing going at Model A introduction
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To the OP, nice looking car. Good luck with it. What are the intentions? Getting it to run safely or a full blown resto?
Question on the sport coupe. Does the top come down?
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I want to repair/replace anything relevant to it’s safe operation, maybe weather stripping and worn out welting or the like. I want to drive it on some 50-100 mile trips like on the Blue Ridge parkway maybe to Boone NC ( home of the App state mountaineers) (you Michigan Wolverine fans know who that is ). I do not plan on restore as I don’t have the money to put into it. I don’t want to hurt it’s value or condition though.

Top does not come down .

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No,the sport coupe top does not come down..squint your eyes all you want it aint a cabriolet. Does the back of your top flap open?
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No,the sport coupe top does not come down..squint your eyes all you want it aint a cabriolet. Does the back of your top flap open?
It does open but Unfortunately is a newer replacement top (plastic window).

All the wood is solid except the one piece above the drivers side. It's solid except for the outer edge so I will have to replace that one eventually. I may go for a new top then but I'm afraid it'll look like lipstick on a pig.
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I finally cranked the engine today. After rebuilding the carburetor, rinsing the engine out with kerosene, cleaning the fuel lines and all parts associated with that, replacing the gas soaked float and much more. It fired on the second turn and an audible knock was heard, it went away within seconds and ran so smooth. I didn't have any coolant in the system so I only ran it briefly. I promised my son I wouldn't drive it until he was home from school so Im Hoping for next weekend if the radiator is ok and holds water. Fingers crossed.

These engines sound so sweet and solid.
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History,

You're wise to keep the exterior as is, too many over restored cars out there. You have a good story to tell about the history of the car in your family.

What is the interior like?

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Not great but usable. I'll probably re upholster the seat as it's ripping at the seams some. One day I may replace the top with an appropriate top for a sport coupe. I want to make sure it's condition is atleast maintained. Someone in The future may want to restore it to like new condition. I want to say it's mine and it is but only for a short time.
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I drove it today, not on the road but around my shop and the gravel road going to my adjacent property. I'm not tagged or insured yet. I was able to get in third but couldn't stretch it out any. I was impressed with the torque. I didn't lug it hard but could tell it would. I need to repack my water pump and hope to have it road legal within a month. Super excited 😊!!!
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Hop it up some.. that torque you feel is why the model a has endured,a handsome car style wise and a nice seat of the pants feel to it..Sport Coupe is what it is,hot rodders don't like them,its not a roadster.Restorers don't like the costs of a top that doesn't go down.In my view its the only true three window coupe ford had in production,enjoy it.
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have you pumped grease into the zert on the water pump and tightened the notched nut? you may not need a repack yet.
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have you pumped grease into the zert on the water pump and tightened the notched nut? you may not need a repack yet.
Yes following someone's advice on here I loosened the nut and put a couple of shots of grease in, retightened before I ever cranked it. It's dripping.
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Try some Goof Off on the rear window to make it a bit more clear. It will clean that old plastic.
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I had a constant struggle trying to keep my original style water pump from dripping and creating a mess in the motor bay. Advice ran from "they do that", to different repairs including repack/re-grease, to replacement of the shaft and nut. Some said they do not have the issue, some said noting you can do.


There are also parts/kits for rebuilding your water pump to leakless - I have no experience with this, but am sure if you search on FB here or ask, others can recommend what to do/order.


Got tired of the mess, went to a leakless water pump, 5,000 miles later and not a single drip.


Some say they have had had bad luck with leakless, some say they are great. I do not know what brand/model mine is, was put on by a Mod A repair shop. I have heard that the best leakless is a Rupert but they are expensive.
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FWIW, It's best to snug up the packing nut while the engine is running.

Anyone out there use teflon packing? I tried some and it seems to be doing the job, but haven't ran it much since so I can't really comment on it.
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A good seal needs things to be right. A little corrosion or scratches can cause leaks. the grease type may matter too. I have blue dow grease. I believe its waterproof and designed to be use around water.


Try this. Tighten the nut till you get slight drag. then a few pumps of grease. After that try a rebuild look for damage that the rebuild kit parts wont fix. If you dont mind spending the money I would go with a leakless. Even though mine has sealed a leakless is on my wish list.
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Does your top have the mountings for the landau bars? The Sport Coupes have them and the business coupes don't but other than that, the two body types are very similar. Since yours has a rumble seat set up, it's likely a sport coupe unless someone did a rumble seat conversion.
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Thanks for all the advice/suggestions. I'll try and get it to stop leaking with some of the ideas mentioned and if that doesn't work I'll get a leakless.

I don't see anything for the landau bars but in another thread these guy had enough evidence from photos I posted to claim it is a sport coupe with replacement but not correct replacement top.


What plane is that in your avatar? It looks like a B-17 but then looks like a 24 or something else.
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If removing the water pump, update with these, allows you much easier removal/replacement of the water pump in the future.


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"Does your top have the mountings for the landau bars? The Sport Coupes have them and the business coupes don't but other than that, the two body types are very similar."

The business coupe was not made in 1930 and 1931. This is a sport coupe. The mounting points for the landau irons on the 1930 and 1931 sport coupes are not visible. The upper mounting point is simply a hole in the flat bracket, which is likely covered by top material; and the lower mounting point is a bracket set into the side of the wood piece that curves around at the bottom of the fabric top. (On the 1928 and 1929, the lower mounting point is a bracket that sits on top of that wood piece, and IS visible on the '28-29.)

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I'd forgotten that Ford went to the standard coupe design for the business coupe in 1930. I'm too used to the 28s & 29s so sorry about the error there.

A person may be able to feel the lower brackets or see where they are covered inside the car on the rear tack strip. It just depends on how the top was trimmed last. My 29 was missing all but the notches in the tack strip where the bars had been fastened. Finding good bars can be a PITA.

For History in post #33, that was my Pop's plane at the Celone Air Base near Foggia, Italy in late 1944. It was a B17G built by the Douglas plant in Long Beach, CA.
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For History in post #33, that was my Pop's plane at the Celone Air Base near Foggia, Italy in late 1944. It was a B17G built by the Douglas plant in Long Beach, CA.
Your Pop was a badass! I took my son for a ride on the Nine-O-Nine B17 from the Collins foundation. It was such an experience, I can't imagine being on one and knowing people were trying to bring it down. Salute to them all.
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