Barrett Jackson

[3Dueces]

Lot #416 1935 FORD 3-WINDOW CUSTOM COUPE
One more reason to never sell your classic Ford at a no reserve auction!

[KiWinUS]

Well??????????
Don’t keep us in suspense.

[chiefdave]

Is it the one that sold for $22K?

[19Fordy]

Is this the car? It shows PRICE but, is that the selling price?
https://www.barrett-jackson.com/Even...M-COUPE-218109

[54vicky]

lot # does not mean anything without a bit more info.price sold for etc.

[19Fordy]

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Found it. $22K for a 35 Ford coupe at Scottsdale.
Looks to be a nice car from the photos. Good deal for someone.

Or, could it be that the value of these "old timers" is dropping?
Selling a car like that at BJ Auction is a mistake unless you just want to get rid of it.

A friend of mine who knows cars bought an original, complete 1936 Ford 3W Coupe in very good condition with Mitchell OD and hydraulic brakes for 22K about 5 years ago from the midwest area of the USA. I guess good buys are still out there.

https://www.barrett-jackson.com/Even...M-COUPE-236095

[flatjack9]

There were two 36 3 windows that sold for around 70K. They had updated drivetrains. Unfortunately our style of car is not selling that well.

[41ford1]

Originally Posted by 19Fordy

Found it. $22K for a 35 Ford coupe at Scottsdale.
Looks to be a nice car from the photos. Good deal for someone.

Or, could it be that the value of these "old timers" is dropping?
Selling a car like that at BJ Auction is a mistake unless you just want to get rid of it.

https://www.barrett-jackson.com/Even...M-COUPE-236095

You really need to see the cars in person. The pictures do not show the true condition. That being said the so called "restomods" seem to be more desirable than a stocker these days.

[tubman]

Did you notice that everywhere in the listing it refers t it as a "1936 Ford" and at the very end of the listing it says "Titled as a 1935 Ford". There may be something seriously fishy going on here that is reflected in the low value. I am not enough of an expert on these cars to determine anything definitive from the few photos posted, but it seems there is something going on here.

[Tim Ayers]

Originally Posted by flatjack9

There were two 36 3 windows that sold for around 70K. They had updated drivetrains. Unfortunately our style of car is not selling that well.

Yes. Hot rods are the hot ticket right now. Sadly, "stocker" prices are on the decline.

[Tim Ayers]

Originally Posted by tubman

Did you notice that everywhere in the listing it refers t it as a "1936 Ford" and at the very end of the listing it says "Titled as a 1935 Ford". There may be something seriously fishy going on here that is reflected in the low value. I am not enough of an expert on these cars to determine anything definitive from the few photos posted, but it seems there is something going on here.

I saw that, but I think it's a typo. Its listed in the auction as a 1935 Ford.

[philipswanson]

Especially the younger crowd is more in to performance cars. Old Fords are not the hot ticket anymore unless they are "built". It's only the old guys like some of us.

[deuce_roadster]

Yeah, value is dropping. If I was in this for the money I would sell them all now ( or better yet turn them into resto-mods first). I WOULD NEVER DO THAT. And with the low current value, nice cars will be bought and turned into resto-mods. The people who just want to make money are making a killing by taking a nice flathead powered car and putting a sbc, turbo trans, 9" rear in it and making many thousands of dollars.

[Tim Ayers]

Originally Posted by deuce_roadster

Yeah, value is dropping. If I was in this for the money I would sell them all now ( or better yet turn them into resto-mods first). I WOULD NEVER DO THAT. And with the low current value, nice cars will be bought and turned into resto-mods. The people who just want to make money are making a killing by taking a nice flathead powered car and putting a sbc, turbo trans, 9" rear in it and making many thousands of dollars.

Not sure those are selling either. The circle I run with all want authentic hot rods. Flatheads, 3 speeds, etc.

The SBC cars may sell, but are getting very hard to move.

[woodiewagon46]

I saw two, what looked like '37 Ford hot rods that went for $30K. I know you can't build them for that, someone got a great deal! Same for that '35 Ford Coupe.

[philipswanson]

Originally Posted by deuce_roadster

Yeah, value is dropping. If I was in this for the money I would sell them all now ( or better yet turn them into resto-mods first). I WOULD NEVER DO THAT. And with the low current value, nice cars will be bought and turned into resto-mods. The people who just want to make money are making a killing by taking a nice flathead powered car and putting a sbc, turbo trans, 9" rear in it and making many thousands of dollars.

In most cases, you won't make money doing this either because it costs too much to build. Nice original muscle cars are bring bigger dollars like Mopars, Cobras, Corvettes and Mustang big block cars. Allot of these hot rodders are losing money bigtime by the time they pay commissions at auction. Been there, done that.

[V8COOPMAN]

Well, even though it appears to be a DEAL, I wouldn't have touched it. It's listed as a '35. It sure appears to be '35, except that it's described as a '36, twice. It says "TITLED AS A 1935 FORD". But it has an early '36 serial number. That could be a paperwork nightmare, not only with the local DMV, but with the insurance company when it comes time to file a claim. That's why it went for cheap. PASS! DD

[scicala]

The car that sold for $22K at Barrett Jackson, also has a later incorrect engine. Might have a little to do with the low price. Looks like possibly a 59A engine from the 40's ?


Sal

[V8COOPMAN]

Originally Posted by scicala

The car that sold for $22K at Barrett Jackson, also has a later incorrect engine. Might have a little to do with the low price. Looks like possibly a 59A engine from the 40's ?


Sal

It is a 24-stud, possibly 59A-type, but likely a '39 221-incher out of a truck. The interesting thing in this picture is the TAG that has been pop-riveted to the firewall on the far left of picture. I'm betting that that may have something to do with NON-ORIGINAL serial number, or possibly some state's re-assigned serial number program. Definitely some ID discrepancies on that baby. DD

[Tim Ayers]

If this came up for sale around me for $20K, it would be in my garage. Paperwork can be sorted out on an old car.

Think about how many model A's are running around that don't have anywhere near the correct paperwork.

[V8COOPMAN]

Originally Posted by Tim Ayers

If this came up for sale around me for $20K, it would be in my garage. Paperwork can be sorted out on an old car.

Think about how many model A's are running around that don't have anywhere near the correct paperwork.

That's all great for the initial DMV routine...……..until the accident victim's lawyers start looking into it and find "FRAUD" with the paperwork, or when YOUR insurance company declares that "That ain't THE car YOU represented it to be, hence...not the one WE insured"! It can get ugly in a hurry, guys. DD

[19Fordy]

V8: Thanks for shedding light on that dubious vehicle.

[Tim Ayers]

Originally Posted by 19Fordy

V8: Thanks for shedding light on that dubious vehicle.

There are a lot of assumptions being made that the car is a fraud. Not one of us was there, looking at the documentation, etc.

We are making a boat load of assumptions. It could be a simple typo or it could be a paperwork nightmare.

[Tim Ayers]

Originally Posted by V8COOPMAN

That's all great for the initial DMV routine...……..until the accident victim's lawyers start looking into it and find "FRAUD" with the paperwork, or when YOUR insurance company declares that "That ain't THE car YOU represented it to be, hence...not the one WE insured"! It can get ugly in a hurry, guys. DD

Maybe but I'd roll the dice. Many different ways to skin a cat in order to clean up the paperwork.

I just went through this and my paperwork is now a totally legit. Correct VIN and all.


Plus, I'd would turn it that '35 into a hot rod real quick.

[tubman]

Originally Posted by Tim Ayers

I saw that, but I think it's a typo. Its listed in the auction as a 1935 Ford.

I'm with Mr. Coopman. Also, I don't think it's a typo because they were pretty deliberate pointing the differences out. I am also with you, for the right price, I would be interested as well, especially if it WAS a '36 (I like them better than '35's for a number of reasons).

[95476]

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I doubt that it would be up there at auction if it was "dubious". Possibly just miscommunication and or poor marketing. Someone got a great deal while the others argued about it's legality or authenticity.

[mike in tucson]

BJ is not the place to sell a pre war Ford unless it has some famous builder's name attached to it. The clients bidding are there either for a muscle type car or a bargain... not a semi-original car. Saturday will tell... the best cars are usually run across Sat night.

[95476]

My '36 roadster was titled as a '35. Someone changed the sheet metal long ago. There was never a problem with the title. As far as I know they go by VIN number not what sheet metal is on it.

[Tim Ayers]

Originally Posted by 95476

My '36 roadster was titled as a '35. Someone changed the sheet metal long ago. There was never a problem with the title. As far as I know they go by VIN number not what sheet metal is on it.

Correct. VIN is key, not sheet metal. Think of how many Model A's have '32 grilles.

[V8COOPMAN]

Originally Posted by Tim Ayers

There are a lot of assumptions being made that the car is a fraud. Not one of us was there, looking at the documents. We are making a boat load of assumptions. It could be a simple typo or it could be a paperwork nightmare.

No assumptions here....everything that I stated data-wise came directly from the obvious info printed in the auction ad. Also note that "they" made sure to HI-LITE that the car was "TITLED AS A 1935 FORD", even though Barrett knew that something was askew with the serial number being for a '36. They are covering their own butts so as not to misrepresent the facts.


I DID NOT say that there was any FRAUD going-on with that car, but when the authorities and or the insurers need to get involved for ANY "not-good" reason, you can just about be assured that the word "fraud" or fraudulent" will come-up in the conversation. And if it's involved in any damage accident, there WILL BE a trial. DD

[Tim Ayers]

Originally Posted by V8COOPMAN

No assumptions here....everything that I stated data-wise came directly from the obvious info printed in the auction ad. Also note that "they" made sure to HI-LITE that the car was "TITLED AS A 1935 FORD", even though Barrett knew that something was askew with the serial number being for a '36. They are covering their own butts so as not to misrepresent the facts.


I DID NOT say that there was any FRAUD going-on with that car, but when the authorities and or the insurers need to get involved for ANY "not-good" reason, you can just about be assured that the word "fraud" or fraudulent" will come-up in the conversation. And if it's involved in any damage accident, there WILL BE a trial. DD

I'm going to bail out of this conversation. DD, we will have to agree to disagree.

To each his own I guess. I still say a lot of assumptions are being made. Could be a typo or it could be bad paperwork.

It all depends how bad you want a '35 3 window.

[V8COOPMAN]

Originally Posted by Tim Ayers

I'm going to bail out of this conversation. DD, we will have to agree to disagree.

To each his own I guess. I still say a lot of assumptions are being made. Could be a typo or it could be bad paperwork.

It all depends how bad you want a '35 3 window.

Hey Tim....WE will amicably disagree on this one. But it just may be that you can wait two or three weeks or so and contact the lucky purchaser. If he has since found some possible problem getting it registered in his home state (some states can be a bitch), he just MIGHT be willing to accept your $20K offer. Truth be known, put all that sheet metal on a legit '35 frame with a good title and you're "golden". Or even better, make a '36 out of it and go on down the road. DD

[CHuDWah]

Paperwork notwithstanding and based only on listing pictures, the OP car looks comparable to the red one also linked in this thread. The latter car is more hot-roddy but it's still flathead powered. OTOH, it's a 5-window trunk vs a supposedly more desirable 3-window rumble seat. Yet it sold for more than four times as much. I know there's plenty of money in Palm Beach but I wouldn't think that alone explains the difference.

[JayChicago]

Here's another assumption, a perhaps/maybe/possible explanation for the 36 with a 35 title:
I think I read that back in the day, a few states did not issue a title with a model year. Their titles showed year of manufacture. (maybe this practice was a throw-back to the Model T days when cars did not have model year changes) In that case, an early 36 made/sold in 35 would have been given a title showing 1935.

[V8COOPMAN]

Originally Posted by JayChicago

Here's another assumption, a perhaps/maybe/possible explanation for the 36 with a 35 title:
I think I read that back in the day, a few states did not issue a title with a model year. Their titles showed year of manufacture. (maybe this practice was a throw-back to the Model T days when cars did not have model year changes) In that case, an early 36 made/sold in 35 would have been given a title showing 1935.

This car wasn't built THAT early. It was built over 180,300 cars into the 1936 serial numbers. DD

[tubman]

How about some detail pictures of the rear fenders (especially the rear tips) or the cowl sides? It looks like this is a "put-together" car, so that may not even be definitive. I am starting to see why the value is not what one would think.

[VeryTangled]

What the heck is going on with the crankcase breather/oil fill on the end of that flexi-hose crap?

[V8COOPMAN]

Originally Posted by VeryTangled

What the heck is going on with the crankcase breather/oil fill on the end of that flexi-hose crap?

I saw that! Has to be some kind of home-brew Astro Ventilation System or hot air heater rig abortion. At least he used that cute '35 breather thingie. I would really like to see some detail pics on that car. DD

[Kube]

I've been watching this thread and want to (finally) add that this car was bought "about right" in my opinion.
It isn't that nice of a car. Maybe a decent driver.
Guys, this ain't 1995 anymore. These cars are losing value - like it or not, that's reality.

[3Dueces]

Maybe if it was a five window...'35 and '36 three window coupes are probably some of the most sought after Fords in my opinion...And not to mention they're just plain sexy!

[Don]

The picture I saw lot 416 sold for $95:700!are we looking at same car,?..

[5851a]

Originally Posted by V8COOPMAN

I saw that! Has to be some kind of home-brew Astro Ventilation System or hot air heater rig abortion. At least he used that cute '35 breather thingie. I would really like to see some detail pics on that car. DD

It's a hot air manifold heater, I believe you can see the rear tube going into firewall.

[supereal]

B/J says that they inspect each vehicle to authenticate the seller's claims. As they collect 8% from the seller, and 10% of the sale price from the buyer, it had better be right! Very few non "restomods"are offered, as the market has mostly evaporated, even for correct restorations.