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skidmarks · 10-09-2014, 04:34 PM

Tried the search function but only came up with heaters for sale.

Is there anyone that sells a template to drill the holes in the correct location on the firewall of a 1940 ford coupe for the hot water heater?

Car is all stock except the 8BA engine that was saved from the hands of a traditional hotrodder. They seem to be messing up cars now as bad as the streetrodders of the 90's

JSeery · 10-09-2014, 05:48 PM

Not sure there is a set location as there were various heaters installed. Which heater are you using? Would think the best approach would be to temporally install the heater and determine an acceptable location for the water lines. I am going to attempt to route mine so that I do not have to cut up the firewall (after I patch the current heater holes in the firewall!).

Joe Immler · 10-09-2014, 05:57 PM

I would suggest a test fit. When I installed a heater in my "41 the cowl vent handle hits it. The cowl vent only opens part way. A test fit would have caught this.

klicker · 10-09-2014, 07:59 PM

I have the same question.... I have a correct Ford heater. There must be a correct location to install it.

JSeery · 10-09-2014, 08:11 PM

I was not aware that Ford had a specific heater for the 1940 cars, thought the Ford setup was a manifold setup (that is what was on my 38). Does your heater look like the attached photo? Was this a dealer installed option? It would still be fairly easy to back engineer it if you knew were it attached under the dash. Maybe if someone had some photos on one installed?

Kube · 10-09-2014, 08:28 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by JSeery

I was not aware that Ford had a specific heater for the 1940 cars, thought the Ford setup was a manifold setup (that is what was on my 38). Does your heater look like the attached photo? Was this a dealer installed option? It would still be fairly easy to back engineer it if you knew were it attached under the dash. Maybe if someone had some photos on one installed?

Ford made both a hot air and hot water heater for 1939 and 1940. there were a number of small design changes, some effecting the appearance, between the two years.
There is a template for installing the OEM water heater.

Kube · 10-09-2014, 08:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by skidmarks

Tried the search function but only came up with heaters for sale.

Is there anyone that sells a template to drill the holes in the correct location on the firewall of a 1940 ford coupe for the hot water heater?

Car is all stock except the 8BA engine that was saved from the hands of a traditional hotrodder. They seem to be messing up cars now as bad as the streetrodders of the 90's

PM me your address.

JSeery · 10-09-2014, 08:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kube

Ford made both a hot air and hot water heater for 1939 and 1940. there were a number of small design changes, some effecting the appearance, between the two years.
There is a template for installing the OEM water heater.

Kube, were these Factory installed or a dealer install?

alanwoodieman · 10-09-2014, 08:56 PM

I put a factory heater in my 41 pu and with my big feet I could hardly get to the gas pedal, so I had to move the heater up-yeah I know extra holes but the install hides them, to gain clearance for the cowl vent handle, I just bent it to a 45% angle and all is well

skidmarks · 10-09-2014, 09:16 PM

Its the correct 2 door heater for the 40 with the switch. I have had other 39 and 40 with heaters that were either apart or I parted it out but never remembered to make a template. Then we end up with this car and want to install the heater because I did not want to use the gasoline southwind thats in it now.
I have also had 40 fords with the death trap hot air manifold heater.

JSeery · 10-09-2014, 09:42 PM

Had a Southwind in a 41 Chevy I drove in High School, loved that heater! On the coldest day could get in that car and instant heat.

fordor41 · 10-09-2014, 10:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Joe Immler

I would suggest a test fit. When I installed a heater in my "41 the cowl vent handle hits it. The cowl vent only opens part way. A test fit would have caught this.

My '41 has the heater centered on the tranny hump. Vent handle did hit the heater top so I modified the handle slightly to open vent all the way and come up short of the heater.

Snouts out · 10-10-2014, 05:02 AM

I have a38 standard with a heater that is identical to the one in the photo. It had to be dealer installed,with 41 controls.No room for your foot on the gas pedal,maybe they had little feeties back in them days.The southwind is a great heater,you're going to need a winter front, with the hot water unit.

4dFord/SC · 10-10-2014, 07:27 AM

Here's the heater in my '40; no problems with gas pedal or cowl vent lever interference. Sharp eyes may notice the spacing of red pin stripes is incorrect, and it has since been changed.

alanwoodieman · 10-10-2014, 07:33 AM

did not have heater interference with my 40 wagon just with the heater in my 41 truck

Kube · 10-10-2014, 07:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JSeery

Kube, were these Factory installed or a dealer install?

Both.
However, there were only the two types I'd mentioned that were Ford authorized.

transbytip · 10-10-2014, 12:52 PM

Go to techno source flathead32-53 in middle column is 39-40 wiring go to it at end of article is the template you need good hunting Cliff.

4dFord/SC · 10-10-2014, 02:40 PM

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Originally Posted by transbytip

Go to techno source flathead32-53 in middle column is 39-40 wiring go to it at end of article is the template you need good hunting Cliff.

Specifically, http://www.flatheadv8.org/91A-18457%20Heater.pdf

JSeery · 10-10-2014, 02:47 PM

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Originally Posted by 4dFord/SC

Specifically, http://www.flatheadv8.org/91A-18457%20Heater.pdf

Very cool information!

40 FourDrDlx · 10-11-2014, 01:05 AM

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Originally Posted by 4dFord/SC

Specifically, http://www.flatheadv8.org/91A-18457%20Heater.pdf

I used info from that site on my heater install. Good info on the wiring & how to test your heater motor. Barner Rustynutz was kind enough to mail me a full size template & I have copies if anyone needs one.

skidmarks · 10-31-2014, 08:05 PM

got it printed out and now i can get the correct heater installed in this survivor coupe. car was parked in the mid 60's and left alone . only thing besides the southwind heater the car had the 85hp motor replaced in 1960 with a rebuilt 59AB at a ford dealership. in the paperwork was the invoice for the work....... rebuilt motor 159.90..... too bad a they dont cost that now to overhaul.

nospartsman · 10-31-2014, 08:38 PM

Contact Larry Caplan of Northridge, Ca (he is in the V8 club roster) he has the correct template for installing a 1940 Ford hot water heater and sells other related parts.

skidmarks · 10-31-2014, 09:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nospartsman

Contact Larry Caplan of Northridge, Ca (he is in the V8 club roster) he has the correct template for installing a 1940 Ford hot water heater and sells other related parts.

Thanks. The link on page one is for the installation instructions with the template you can print out full size

TomO · 11-02-2014, 01:02 PM

Check the measurements on the printout to make sure that it is full-size.

skidmarks · 11-02-2014, 01:36 PM

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Originally Posted by TomO

Check the measurements on the printout to make sure that it is full-size.

I did. Its off by the distance on the gas pedal mounting bolts. The last picture on page one is pretty clear with the measurements

Bill@40fordconvert · 01-13-2020, 10:44 AM

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I have bought a restored hot water heater for my 40 convert. Does anyone out there have a set of install instructions? It sure help with the install.
Appreciate any help
Bill

4dFord/SC · 01-13-2020, 11:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Bill@40fordconvert

I have bought a restored hot water heater for my 40 convert. Does anyone out there have a set of install instructions? It sure help with the install.
Appreciate any help
Bill

Viola!

Craigkd7inr · 01-17-2020, 02:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by skidmarks

Tried the search function but only came up with heaters for sale.

Is there anyone that sells a template to drill the holes in the correct location on the firewall of a 1940 ford coupe for the hot water heater?

Car is all stock except the 8BA engine that was saved from the hands of a traditional hotrodder. They seem to be messing up cars now as bad as the streetrodders of the 90's

I have 3 pages on how to install 40 Ford heater. One is template for firewall. I installed heater in fordor sdn. I would think coupe would be the same. Send me your name and address be email and I will send you copys by snail mail.

Craig Brokaw

[email protected]

Craigkd7inr · 01-17-2020, 02:46 PM

I have 3 pages on how to install 40 Ford heater. One is template for firewall. I installed heater in fordor sdn. I would think coupe would be the same. Send me your name and address by email and I will send you a copys by snail mail.

Craig Brokaw

[email protected]

10-09-2014, 04:34 PM	#1
skidmarks Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: newark, delaware Posts: 3,735	1940 ford heater install -template? Tried the search function but only came up with heaters for sale. Is there anyone that sells a template to drill the holes in the correct location on the firewall of a 1940 ford coupe for the hot water heater? Car is all stock except the 8BA engine that was saved from the hands of a traditional hotrodder. They seem to be messing up cars now as bad as the streetrodders of the 90's

10-09-2014, 05:48 PM	#2
JSeery Member Emeritus Join Date: Nov 2012 Location: Wichita KS Posts: 16,132	Re: 1940 ford heater install -template? Not sure there is a set location as there were various heaters installed. Which heater are you using? Would think the best approach would be to temporally install the heater and determine an acceptable location for the water lines. I am going to attempt to route mine so that I do not have to cut up the firewall (after I patch the current heater holes in the firewall!).

10-09-2014, 05:57 PM	#3
Joe Immler Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2012 Location: Massillon, Ohio Posts: 783	Re: 1940 ford heater install -template? I would suggest a test fit. When I installed a heater in my "41 the cowl vent handle hits it. The cowl vent only opens part way. A test fit would have caught this.

10-09-2014, 07:59 PM	#4
klicker Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Oregon Posts: 311	Re: 1940 ford heater install -template? I have the same question.... I have a correct Ford heater. There must be a correct location to install it.

10-09-2014, 08:56 PM	#9
alanwoodieman Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: upstate SC Posts: 2,963	Re: 1940 ford heater install -template? I put a factory heater in my 41 pu and with my big feet I could hardly get to the gas pedal, so I had to move the heater up-yeah I know extra holes but the install hides them, to gain clearance for the cowl vent handle, I just bent it to a 45% angle and all is well

10-09-2014, 09:16 PM	#10
skidmarks Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: newark, delaware Posts: 3,735	Re: 1940 ford heater install -template? Its the correct 2 door heater for the 40 with the switch. I have had other 39 and 40 with heaters that were either apart or I parted it out but never remembered to make a template. Then we end up with this car and want to install the heater because I did not want to use the gasoline southwind thats in it now. I have also had 40 fords with the death trap hot air manifold heater.

10-09-2014, 09:42 PM	#11
JSeery Member Emeritus Join Date: Nov 2012 Location: Wichita KS Posts: 16,132	Re: 1940 ford heater install -template? Had a Southwind in a 41 Chevy I drove in High School, loved that heater! On the coldest day could get in that car and instant heat.

10-10-2014, 05:02 AM	#13
Snouts out Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2013 Location: Covedale,oh Posts: 226	Re: 1940 ford heater install -template? I have a38 standard with a heater that is identical to the one in the photo. It had to be dealer installed,with 41 controls.No room for your foot on the gas pedal,maybe they had little feeties back in them days.The southwind is a great heater,you're going to need a winter front, with the hot water unit.

10-10-2014, 07:27 AM	#14
4dFord/SC Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Columbia, SC Posts: 1,579	Re: 1940 ford heater install -template? Here's the heater in my '40; no problems with gas pedal or cowl vent lever interference. Sharp eyes may notice the spacing of red pin stripes is incorrect, and it has since been changed.

10-10-2014, 07:33 AM	#15
alanwoodieman Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: upstate SC Posts: 2,963	Re: 1940 ford heater install -template? did not have heater interference with my 40 wagon just with the heater in my 41 truck

10-10-2014, 12:52 PM	#17
transbytip Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: ottumwa Ia. Posts: 132	Re: 1940 ford heater install -template? Go to techno source flathead32-53 in middle column is 39-40 wiring go to it at end of article is the template you need good hunting Cliff.

10-31-2014, 08:05 PM	#21
skidmarks Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: newark, delaware Posts: 3,735	Re: 1940 ford heater install -template? got it printed out and now i can get the correct heater installed in this survivor coupe. car was parked in the mid 60's and left alone . only thing besides the southwind heater the car had the 85hp motor replaced in 1960 with a rebuilt 59AB at a ford dealership. in the paperwork was the invoice for the work....... rebuilt motor 159.90..... too bad a they dont cost that now to overhaul.

10-31-2014, 08:38 PM	#22
nospartsman BANNED Join Date: May 2011 Posts: 409	Re: 1940 ford heater install -template? Contact Larry Caplan of Northridge, Ca (he is in the V8 club roster) he has the correct template for installing a 1940 Ford hot water heater and sells other related parts.

11-02-2014, 01:02 PM	#24
TomO Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 362	Re: 1940 ford heater install -template? Check the measurements on the printout to make sure that it is full-size. __________________ TomO

01-13-2020, 10:44 AM	#26
Bill@40fordconvert Junior Member Join Date: Jan 2019 Posts: 1	Re: 1940 ford heater install -template? Sponsored Links (Register now to hide all advertisements) I have bought a restored hot water heater for my 40 convert. Does anyone out there have a set of install instructions? It sure help with the install. Appreciate any help Bill

01-17-2020, 02:46 PM	#29
Craigkd7inr Junior Member Join Date: Mar 2017 Posts: 2	Re: 1940 ford heater install -template? I have 3 pages on how to install 40 Ford heater. One is template for firewall. I installed heater in fordor sdn. I would think coupe would be the same. Send me your name and address by email and I will send you a copys by snail mail. Craig Brokaw [email protected]