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06-11-2010, 05:10 PM | #1 |
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My New 1930 Sedan
She's a beauty. It's my 1st stock model A, so it's going to be a learning experience. I plan on driving the car often, so I want to make sure I have a handle on maintenance and any does or don'ts... I guess that's why I am here.
I read the attached link. Great info. http://www.jmodela.com/wherestart.html I find the search engine in this forum very helpful as well. Please forgive me; I'm sure I'll be asking some very rookie questions in the future. Thanks in advance! Tim |
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nice car ! if you need help or info beyound this forum , please ask me ........... steve
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Welcome aboard and looks like you got a nice Model A!! We are all here to help, and this board is a great resource, so please don't be afraid to ask questions. If you haven't, you should consider joining a local Model A club if one is in your area.......the clubs always have folks nearby that love to help with other cars, and also have special tools, etc. Mainly, enjoy your wonderful car and drive it as often as you can...they are just lots of fun! Terry |
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Thanks Steve and Terry. The gentleman that sold me the car belongs to a local club and mentioned I should join as well. Sounds like a great group of people!!!
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Welcome to the hobby Tim. Joining a local Model a club is good advice. I would also suggest buying some books to get familiar with operating and maintaining the car. Owners Manual and some of the Repair Manuals are excellent.
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Welcome, Tim. In the link that was in your note, it mentions the Mechanics Handbook. The book is the Model A Ford Mechanics Handbook, by Les Andrews, Volume 1, and I can't recommend it strongly enough.
Like you, I bought my first Model A without knowing a whole lot about them, and that book and the help I received from FordBarn and Ahooga has been invaluable. So far, after 6 years of Model A'ing, I've been able to keep mine running well. Not sure I could have done that without the book. Good luck, and enjoy your car! |
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hey tim good luck and enjoy that nice car. get ready for a great ride and meeting great people
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Michael, I just order Model A Ford Mechanics Handbook, by Les Andrews, Volume 1... thanks. It mentions in that link, I should get the Service Bulletins, any thoughts on that?
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Tim,
I have the Service Bulletins, and they make for good reading, but honestly I've never referred to them when dealing with a problem. I probably should think about that some time. Might just be another good resource. |
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Welcome to the Model A hobby. It sounds like you did your homework and picked a good car. A sedan makes an excellent touring car with room for all the luggage and people you want to bring along. |
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Tim,you do realize you have the perfect model A,a 30 tudor sedan.The 29 and 30 tudor are the backbone of the model A's.There were more of then produced than any other model A.Yes I am somewhat prejudice as I own a 30 tudor.Welcome to the best hobby this side of heaven.
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John and Jim, Thanks for the kind words.
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Ok boys... here are some pictures of the motor and underside. Please let me know if you see anything crazy or unsafe...please. The Auto-lite heater is not connected at the firewall, the hole in the firewall has been welded closed, and it's much lower than the outlet from the heater as well. Looks as if a different heater was used original. Can I just unbolt that heater? It appears to be serving no purpose? There was a gas leak at the glass filter, I'm replacing the cork o-ring now.
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Everyone's recommendations about literature have merit. I'd also recommend owning and reading the owner's manual and the service manuals.
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the heater is part of the exhaust manifold so you would need to replace the whole thing to get rid of the heater part.
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Ditto on the vol I by Les Andrews, the service bulletins make good reading and of course the "Barn" is best by far. JMO
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I noticed a few things in your pics, not all problems, but FYI:
Copper fuel line...a problem, replace it with correct steel Tillotson carburetor non original distributor body by pass type oil filter... don't count on it too much. change oil every 500 miles 4 blade fan, not original, check hub and blades for cracks, its not common, but it happens, the 4 blades are old brake adjusting screw is pretty far in, might need brakes soon all tie rod ends, drag link ends, spring shackles look dry. They need grease . Service Bulletins recommend every 500 miles. I would bet the entire chassis needs a good lube job poor breathing repro muffler kluged wiring... should be neatly clipped to the frame and with good connections spiders...yecch. Looks like the frame was cleaned and painted once...it should clean up nicely have fun, it looks like it has great potential. |
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looks like you got a nice solid car there no rust bucket. a little wipe down underneath and a can of rustoleum with a brush will look good. watch out for the tarantulas
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Be sure to completely lubricate the car BEFORE you drive it. Driving without lubricants will destroy parts. The rear end looks like it has been leaking slowly for several years and hasn't been checked for a long time. Take out the top plug and you should be able to touch the rear end fluid with your finger. Fill it until it runs out the top hole and then put the plug back. Same with the transmission. I am sure there will be several recommendations but lacking that just get 600 weight lube from one of the major suppliers. Look at the lubrication chart in the owner's manual. The ones most commonly missed are the two on the accelerator control shaft, the distributor shaft and some of the generators depending on what you have. Fill the shocks with the correct fluid from the vendors. If they are full they are usually weeping and yours look dry. With your wiring I would recommend installing a fuse. If you get the one that mounts to the top of the starter be sure the connections are tight as problems have been reported. Go slow. Look for original parts at swap meets and rebuild them or have them rebuilt. They will be better than most repros. Join a club. The car looks like you will have fun. Charlie Stephens Last edited by Charlie Stephens; 06-12-2010 at 01:51 PM. |
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Charlie, Great stuff...
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Good looking tudor Tim. Something you can drive and work on as you go. The Autolite heater can be unbolted and stored for now. You may consider cutting a new hole in line and mounting a heater door for cold weather. That heater works pretty good, I have one on my coupe.
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Congratulations Tim, Fordbarn will be an invaluable resource. First place I go when I'm stumped.
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Yes, that is on my list. I see some poeple are running copper fuel lines. Is that a no-no? I need to get fluids for the car this week. I understand I will need some 600W lube/oil, motor oil with zinc and a top quality grease. I see that people are using Bratton's 600W and Shell Rotella motor oil, are these quality products? Any suggestions on grease? Thanks for all the support!! Tim |
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Remove the two bolts holding the Autolite heater cover. Take off the cover. The Autolite heaters can make the distributor too hot and hard to get at the distributor holding screw on the side of the cylinder head.
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I spent a day cleaning the car. Here are a couple before and after pictures. I found out when I went to transfer the title that the car is a 1931 not a 1930 as advertised.
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interesting looks like a 1930 dash and oval speedometer, radiator shell and fenders? did the dmv go by the frame number or engine number? hmmm |
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At some point before I bought the car the state issued a new AZ VIN #. When I went to the DMV it was a simple sign here, transfer completed. The car's running boards are welded to the aprons if thats any indication of year?
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You are probably lucky that it didn't come back from DMV as a Chevrolet. I assume that what happened was they went by the number on the engine. Engines were frequently exchanged at which point the DMV was given the new number. All of the Model A engines basically interchanged. According to the judging standards the round speedometer was introduced in mid 1930 (ref page 6-2). You needed to replace the tank when you changed the instrument panel and this was not a common thing. The radiator shell is a 1930. The splash aprons above the running board are 1930 (1931's were one piece). I am sure you will find many other things on the car that identify it as a 1930 but I can't tell from the pictures. You are now faced with a decision. You are probably finished with the DMV if you just keep quite. If it was me I would examine the car carefully and confirm that it is indeed a 1930. Highlight a copy of the judging standards and then go back to the DMV and have it changed. They make take your word (supported by books) or they may make you lift the body to look at the original number on the frame (see http://www.jmodela.com/numbers.html). If it was me I would get it changed. It would be nice to have it right when you ell the car. As you work on the car it would be using the correct 1930 parts instead of 1931 parts although it would make any difference on a driver.
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i would probably wait until you can read the frame number at some point
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Thank you for the input/advice. The body one day will come off for a new paint job...I think at that time, I will get everything sorted out with the DMV. Very interesting... thanks again.
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John the Model A Restorers Club of Arizona they are and grand bunch of guys and gals.I am a member and when I visit Chandler I have great time for sure. Contact Sammy Guthrie on 480 782-0266 he runs a parts and restoration shop. 15838 South Gilbert Rd Chandler AZ 85225 email [email protected].
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Join The Model A Restorers Club of Arizona a grand bunch of guys and gals .I am one of their foreign members and have a great time on my annual visit to Chandler.Contact Sammy Guthrie,he runs a parts and restoration shop.15838 South Gilbert Road Chandler AZ 85225 . Phone 480 782-0266 Tuesdays through Fridays.Email [email protected] .You will be glad you did.
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I don't know much (at least not yet!), but it is not the original 19" wheels on it...
I'll be keeping an eye on your thread, I might learn something from it!
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Hi Tim,
For a local club I would recommend joining the Model A Restorers Club of Arizona. They have a lot of members close to your location in Chandler. Call Sammy Guthrie 480-782-6562, he is in charge of membership and also located in Chandler. It is a very active club. Enjoy your "new" Model A. Larry Gilbert |
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Tim, the top part of the heater will unbolt and can be removed. The remaining exhaust manifold can either be left on as is or replaced with an original. The manifold that you will see after removing the top will have some fins on it.
I take the top off mine during the summer and put it back on in the winter if I am up north. Larry Gilbert |
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Another welcome to the hobby! Model A's are FUN, reliable, and easy to get parts for. They are a rugged car and reasonably easy to work on. In addition, there's a wealth of information to be learned by doing and by joining a local club. I'm a Tudor owner too (1930) - about one of every four Model A's ever built was a Tudor. A great family car; it's the one that most people remember. Your car looks very solid. You can remove the heater top (if it's an Autolite) and a Tillotson Carburetor will serve you well even though it is not original. From your inside pictures, it looks like you have an aftermarket oil (or temperature) gauge under the instrument cluster. That's a nice accessory. Most of all, drive it and anjoy it. Go get ice cream in it. Take the kids and their friends for a ride in it. Talk to people about it. You'll get lots of lookers and questions. Model A's were perfect only when they came off the assembly line. (Don't get me wrong - I like to look at Blue Ribbon Cars.) See you on the road!
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The wheels look like they are from a 1935 Ford. I bet the tire size is 600-16. A lot of people prefer these wheels so don't rush to change them unless you need new tires. When you need to buy tires decide if you want to keep the 16 inch wheels or go back to the original 19's.
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Nice ride. I only have one question? In the First picture of the engine I noticed that it looks like the steering shaft is exposed. Has the steering column been cut? Or am I just seeing things. Richard/Ca
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There is a good parts guy in AZ at Arizona Model A, LLC located in Chandler at 15838 S Gilbert RD. Sam does do work on A's and T's if required. If you have a problem and need help I am located in Pine, AZ and have a daughter in AJ. Welcome to owning a Model A. They are quite a blast.
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