Timken front wheel bearings good source

[160B]

Here is the correct Timken numbers and a source that is reasonably priced
https://www.carid.com/
CARiD https://www.carid.com/
P/N Qty unit Price total
1. Timken 15118 front inner wheel bearing 15118, 2@ $8.84 $17.68
2. Timken 15250 front inner wheel race 15250, 2@ $7.20 $14.40
3. Timken 09074 front outer wheel bearing 09074, 2@ $14.16 $28.32
4. Timken 09196 front outer wheel race 09196, 2@ $5.89 $11.78
Total $72.18

[McMimmcs]

Are all Model A’s the same bearings or do they very by year or model !

[160B]

Originally Posted by McMimmcs

Are all Model A’s the same bearings or do they very by year or model !

They are the same for all Model A Fords 1928-1931

[chrs1961815]

And NOS Timken wheel bearings are very plentiful, so those are an option as well.

[McMimmcs]

Originally Posted by chrs1961815

And NOS Timken wheel bearings are very plentiful, so those are an option as well.

What is the difference between new Timken and NOS Timken ?

[updraught]

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Less fakes in the old ones.

[Joe K]

Timken Bearings today are made in China (or pacific rim) to exacting standards by the American company. There is extensive quality control - a nephew worked for a while for Timken and part of his "apprenticeship" (he is a 4 year Programming Degree) was served overseas implementing computer quality controls.

Today's production is the same whether used in a Nuclear Power Plant or for common "off the shelf" at NAPA. The only difference is that given the two, the Nuclear version has "full paper certification" and is thereby qualified for nuclear service. If you come to a bearing you're not sure of - Timken can produce that bearing's quality assurance record and tell if it was originally provided nuclear grade. If it is not, Timken can then quality it with the backing paperwork - for a price. (There is a price difference about 2x between their plain bearings and nuclear grade bearings - based on the paperwork trail.)

One imagines that NOS Timken may not have this level of quality control - made up for in part by a personal dedication. I imagine that being like that, NOS bearings might be more "hit or miss" quality wise.

I obviously don't buy nuclear paperwork for my new Timken bearings, but I do go on Ebay and look for deals. Generally anything on Ebay is about 3/4 the price of Timken bought new. And going this route, one has no way to tell NOS from more modern production.

Well, maybe the styling of the box. (This is you performing your own quality control of things you can measure - with your eyes. )

Of course someone may have put a used, possibly non Timken bearing back in the Timken box it came in - and sold the discard on Ebay.

I've seen this with Hyatt Bearings.

There is a LOT of Timken out there.

Joe K

[updraught]

>>There is a LOT of Timken out there.


Google "counterfeit timken bearings"

[McMimmcs]

Originally Posted by chrs1961815

And NOS Timken wheel bearings are very plentiful, so those are an option as well.

The article on counterfeit Timken suggest the quality of the ones you refer to is questionable! Better to go with new ones off the dealers shelf. Sometimes cheaper is not better.

[updraught]

Originally Posted by McMimmcs

The article on counterfeit Timken suggest the quality of the ones you refer to is questionable! Better to go with new ones off the dealers shelf. Sometimes cheaper is not better.

I don't know what it is like in your neck of the woods, but here it is a nightmare trying to sift the wheat from the sand. Packaging is different from one supplier to another and part numbers do not add up to what is on the Timken web site. I tried to buy some Timken 4wd bearings and could not make sense of what I was buying. I gave up, went Japanese from a well known bearing supply house.

[duke36]

Couldn't get the new Timken 15118 inner bearings to fit on the spindles like in other posts.
The old obsoleted Ford products fit perfectly.

[1930-Pickup]

How are the Pacific Rim Timken's marked?
Most Timken's used to say "USA".

[Ruth]

I just received some 'Fafnir' bearings marked Turkey in Timken boxes that say "Printed in USA" from Bert's...??

[Synchro909]

Originally Posted by 1930-Pickup

How are the Pacific Rim Timken's marked?
Most Timken's used to say "USA".

If a bearing is counterfeit, it most likely will be stamped "USA" just like the US one. That's how counterfeiting works.
Back in the 1960's Japanese bearings (and everything else they made) was considered rubbish. That has completely changed now. Some of he best bearings I use are from Japan and are much cheaper than Timken. IMO, fake Timkens cost the same as the real deal - that's how they make their $.
Having "USA" stamped on something doesn't mean much. In the 1960's, the Japanese opened up new Industrial city with suburbs called such things as "USA", "Manchester", "Sheffield", "England"etc. Technically, when they marked something "Made in Sheffield" or "Made in USA", they weren't lying.

[1930-Pickup]

Originally Posted by Synchro909

If a bearing is counterfeit, it most likely will be stamped "USA" just like the US one. That's how counterfeiting works.
Back in the 1960's Japanese bearings (and everything else they made) was considered rubbish. That has completely changed now. Some of he best bearings I use are from Japan and are much cheaper than Timken. IMO, fake Timkens cost the same as the real deal - that's how they make their $.
Having "USA" stamped on something doesn't mean much. In the 1960's, the Japanese opened up new Industrial city with suburbs called such things as "USA", "Manchester", "Sheffield", "England"etc. Technically, when they marked something "Made in Sheffield" or "Made in USA", they weren't lying.

Thanks Syncro.

The issue of counterfeit Timken bearings (that is, bearings marked "Timken", but are not made by Timken) is disturbing, and has been a long long standing problem for many companies.

I was actually referring to the post by by Joe K where he said "Timken Bearings today are made in china (or pacific rim)". If Timken is making them there, then they are not 'counterfeit' (by definition). Its these bearings that I was referring to. Sorry I was unclear.

So does Timken mark those chinese-made bearings as "Made In china"? As a business move, wouldn't the intended market for those chinese-made bearings be Asia, and not USA? Surely Timken still makes bearings in the USA for the USA market (and other countries)?

I just checked Berts and Snyders, both say their front wheel bearing sets are "Timken USA". The other suppliers are probably the same.

[1930-Pickup]

Originally Posted by chrs1961815

And NOS Timken wheel bearings are very plentiful, so those are an option as well.

Well, I'm looking for a set. New or NOS doesn't matter to me, as long as its made by Timken in the USA.

The definition of "NOS" is a slippery slope, because people have all kinds of ideas. For me, and by most accepted methods, "NOS" (New Old Stock) is the exact same component that was used during the initial manufacturing process (of a car), and would be supplied by the initial manufacturer (parts department) for a time period that is typical for suppliers (car dealers) to carry them. Lets say 10-15 years, but that's not a rule (especially for Ford, which tended to supply some parts for a much longer period of time). In this example of "NOS", you would have a Ford box, with the Ford part number, that contains a Timken bearing marked Ford and/or Timken.

Where are you finding plentifull amounts of NOS Timken bearings?

[updraught]

That was my problem a couple of years ago when I was looking. The new Timken bearings are not marked. I assume this is so they can package them under various brand names.

[chrs1961815]

Well people can be a bit misleading or simply they do not know the difference betweem "New old stock" and "new old replacement stock." I could be wrong but I do believe that Timken has made these same bearings since production.

I have seen a lot of them at swap meets and on ebay as well. Just look at them first before you buy.

[Jack Shaft]

[Jack Shaft]

[Jack Shaft]

Mr Timken's contribution to the mechanized world far outweighs Mr Ford.. You'd be hard pressed to cite any one man who had a greater impact.

[updraught]

https://www.timken.com/resources/int...lant-in-china/

[1930-Pickup]

Originally Posted by updraught

https://www.timken.com/resources/int...lant-in-china/

Is says right there on the brochure, "Based in China, serving the world".

I used to buy only Timken.
Now I see no reason to do so.

[Synchro909]

That perfectly highlights how we have handed over key manufacturing, even strategically important functions to a less than friendly power. What could possibly go wrong with that? Bloody bean counters have short sighted outlooks and to hell with national security.
In the event of conflict, the first thing China would do is cutoff supply of items like these, then how would our military move?

[Jack Shaft]

In theory the idea was to introduce capitalism to the Chinese,show them the values of their cheap labor pool they figured that as the chinese profited and their condition improved they would welcome and encourage western ideals. Western capitalists exploited this to the hilt,everyone wants cheap labor..but hey,don't worry about tapered roller bearings being vital to national security..the chinese manufacture 96% of the free worlds pharmaceuticals..

[Synchro909]

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Originally Posted by Jack Shaft

In theory the idea was to introduce capitalism to the Chinese,show them the values of their cheap labor pool they figured that as the chinese profited and their condition improved they would welcome and encourage western ideals. Western capitalists exploited this to the hilt,everyone wants cheap labor..but hey,don't worry about tapered roller bearings being vital to national security..the chinese manufacture 96% of the free worlds pharmaceuticals..

IMO, the Chinese have exploited a flaw in the capitalist system and now have us very dependent on them. They control too much in our countries - (read: We allowed them to take what they wanted) till now, without firing a shot, they have us. The future for our kids doesn't look good and all because we are too focussed on making as many $ as we can by whatever means necessary.

[bdtutton]

I bought a set of Timken bearings from Bratton's for the front wheels of my Tudor. The bearings were marked Made In USA and seemed to be of the exceptional quality i would expect from bearings made in USA.
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If you buy your parts from one of the major vendors you may pay a little more, but you probably will get genuine parts made where they say they are made.

[1930-Pickup]

Originally Posted by bdtutton

I bought a set of Timken bearings from Bratton's for the front wheels of my Tudor. The bearings were marked Made In USA and seemed to be of the exceptional quality i would expect from bearings made in USA.
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If you buy your parts from one of the major vendors you may pay a little more, but you probably will get genuine parts made where they say they are made.

I called Snyders today.
The "USA" in the Timken description is outdated and will be removed from the on-line catalog soon.

The Brattons site does not say "USA".

If you buy Timkens from the suppliers, and you get USA, it will only be a fluke caused by the last of the USA inventory.

[Synchro909]

Originally Posted by bdtutton

I bought a set of Timken bearings from Bratton's for the front wheels of my Tudor. The bearings were marked Made In USA and seemed to be of the exceptional quality i would expect from bearings made in USA.
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If you buy your parts from one of the major vendors you may pay a little more, but you probably will get genuine parts made where they say they are made.

So, Snyders bearings marked "Made in USA" aren't. Deceptive advertising is a crime here.
Now, what was that about exceptional quality?

[Jack Shaft]

Don't like Timken? cross reference the Timken numbers to SKF,they are Swedish..or if your a history buff cross them to FAG,buy them from the bearing company from Schweinfurt Germany,made famous for the big raid in WW2.Bearings are made all over the world and the quality standards are very high for the most part,it goes without saying that Timken insures every bearing that carries their name to be of the highest quality.

You are not locked into the model a vendors world either,plenty of bearing supply houses that can cross timken numbers and get what you want..Motion Industries is a big one..

[updraught]

If they come from the Timken factory where ever, they are probably fine. It is just knowing whose factory they came from is the problem.

They are not making it easy on themselves and their customers, and unscrupulous types are taking advantage of it unfortunately.

[duke36]

Suggest measuring the spindles' o.d. and ask if your vendors will supply the bearings' actual i.d. As stated, there are slight variations which will not allow a slip fit.

[Lawrie]

look up the timken tech site it shows all there dimensions ,and also how the part number tells you the bearing size, I just spent 1/2 day there looking at drawings and cross over numbers for the V8 pinion bearings,
Lawrie

[1930-Pickup]

Originally Posted by 160B

Here is the correct Timken numbers and a source that is reasonably priced
https://www.carid.com/
CARiD https://www.carid.com/
P/N Qty unit Price total
1. Timken 15118 front inner wheel bearing 15118, 2@ $8.84 $17.68
2. Timken 15250 front inner wheel race 15250, 2@ $7.20 $14.40
3. Timken 09074 front outer wheel bearing 09074, 2@ $14.16 $28.32
4. Timken 09196 front outer wheel race 09196, 2@ $5.89 $11.78
Total $72.18

I just finished buying a full set of Timkens for the front hubs. I only bought unused "Made In USA" parts, so I had to buy older stock.

Most of the pieces I bought are in vintage Timken boxes that would eventually go on someone's "display" shelf.

The total cost cost was 129 USD (parts/tax/shipping). Just about 20 was for shipping from four different sources. So it cost me about 100 for all the pieces, not including shipping and tax.

My cost was about 30 more than the least expensive bearings out there (72.18 estimate) carrying the name 'Timken'.

So now I know. Timken's move to off-shore manufacturing cost me $30. Thanks a lot Timken!! You really know how to treat formerly loyal customers.

If you are going the same route that I did, at least you know what it will roughly cost to do so.

There are less costly ways to get USA roller bearings for your A. I found a few Bower and BCA bearings, and some bearings labeled as International Harvester (made by Timken). There are more examples out there, but you have to be patient and diligent...rare human traits.

[Tim Ayers]

If patient, one can find new, US made bearings at swaps, etc. At Hershey this year, I bought a complete new set of NOS Timken front wheel bearings and races for $70 @ Hershey. I was stoked to find them.