Ebay sales tax in place

[37 Coupe]

I think Ebay just started to add online sales tax to items bought on their auction site. This will affect me for the first time of 15 years of buying and selling on Ebay. I was surprised after bidding and "winning" the part I needed that another $13.00 was added to the final price . Surprised is the keyword as Ebay is should show the percentage you will be charged in the first place as they show what you will pay in shipping to your particular state or location. I was surprised enough to ask the seller about it and he also did not have a clue about the extra charge.Evidently it just started. Probably be more parts available now on Fordbarn swap sites etc,which is not a bad thing.

[RalphM]

So is this a federal tax or state tax? And if state, what happens if your state has no tax, such as mine?

[37 Coupe]

From what I have read this only includes 38 states that have state sales tax. Again Ebay needs to show up front what cost will be percentage wise per dollar bid instead of on the checkout. I probably have not bought my last item on Ebay but I think I have sold my last.

[RalphM]

Isn’t that “Taxation without representation”

[51 MERC-CT]

Originally Posted by RalphM

So is this a federal tax or state tax? And if state, what happens if your state has no tax, such as mine?

This is a state tax that is imposed on buyers by the state in which the buyer lives in and if your state does not have a sales tax, then you should not be charged tax.
The requirement has been in place for several months.
Had a recent transaction which I received a refund for the product and also received a refund of the sales tax.

[51 MERC-CT]

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Originally Posted by 37 Coupe

From what I have read this only includes 38 states that have state sales tax. Again Ebay needs to show up front what cost will be percentage wise per dollar bid instead of on the checkout. I probably have not bought my last item on Ebay but I think I have sold my last.

If your state has a sales tax, you can expect a tax equal to the percentage rate required by your state.
There is not any sales tax imposed on 'sellers'.

[richard crow]

we are bring taxed to death & no body saiys any thing the roads are shot the bridges are falling down & all that goes on in washton is this inpeachment bs

[marko39]

I had the same thing with my last order on Amazon.Sales tax.I then ordered the same thing direct from the company and got 10 percent off and no tax. Plus, I didn't have up for Amazon Prime when ordering from the company.

[37 Coupe]

Originally Posted by 51 MERC-CT

If your state has a sales tax, you can expect a tax equal to the percentage rate required by your state.
There is not any sales tax imposed on 'sellers'.

You are correct,guess I was just shocked when it came up as an added charge and not knowing this and "sniping" a bid at the end is something I will be cautious of from now on. Guess if you need something bad enough though it does not matter.

[flatheadmurre]

You still have descent salestax...we have 25% salestax over here !
When the black hole eating the funds grow...so does the taxes...we must have a giant one here in sweden...

[35fordtn]

Yes it actually started about a month ago for some sellers

[philipswanson]

It destroys the incentive to use on line ordering. Before we figured we would pay shipping instead of tax. Now its both. Back to the brick and morters. Its not just E Bay but all on line ordering will be taxed if your state has sales tax. It was a Supreme Court decision.

[TJ]

In addition to e-Bay charging tax, so does Summit Racing. Tax was added to my last few orders from Summit. The states who charge sales tax took this issue to court and there was a court ruling on the issue. Summit has the ruling posted on their website. You should not be charged sales tax if you live in a state that does not have sales tax.

[cas3]

wow ! 25% in sweden. i wouldnt be buying much new stuff

[Bob C]

Originally Posted by 37 Coupe

From what I have read this only includes 38 states that have state sales tax. Again Ebay needs to show up front what cost will be percentage wise per dollar bid instead of on the checkout. I probably have not bought my last item on Ebay but I think I have sold my last.

Ebay needs to know what state the winning bidder lives in before they
can calculate the tax if any.


Bob

[skidmarks]

Buy local. I know it doesn't always work.

Years back everyone cried how ebay ruined the swapmeets......now ebay has ruined itself and maybe the swapmeets will recover.

[37 Coupe]

Originally Posted by Bob C

Ebay needs to know what state the winning bidder lives in before they
can calculate the tax if any.


Bob

Ebay already knows what state you are in or what zip code you have entered as a buyer and seller.It shows right away on item description the shipping cost to you. Someone else is correct that whatever your state sales tax is what it will be but gotta think ahead of time my limit on bidding with this included now. I don't think many "Buy it now" items that are listed will be as successful now.

[J Franklin]

Know where it all goes. Just pick a state, knowledge is power.

http://www.openthebooks.com

[JSeery]

Not sure why this is being considered such a big deal. You have to pay the sales tax if you buy local as well. I don't like it, I don't like much of any tax in fact, but it is a state issue, not an ebay issue. Ebay, Amazon, Summit, etc have nothing to do with it, it is a major hassle factor for them. But again, your state is doing this, not them. If you don't like it work on getting your state laws changed.

[skidmarks]

Originally Posted by JSeery

Not sure why this is being considered such a big deal. You have to pay the sales tax if you buy local as well. I don't like it, I don't like much of any tax in fact, but it is a state issue, not an ebay issue. Ebay, Amazon, Summit, etc have nothing to do with it, it is a major hassle factor for them. But again, your state is doing this, not them. If you don't like it work on getting your state laws changed.

Well in my case, it does by buying local... no sales tax.

[37 Coupe]

I think it will effect more sellers than buyers especially those selling cars.

[1931 flamingo]

I'm sure I'm not alone being in CT, but if you have a STATE income tax there's a spot in the forms where you're supposed to declare how much you spent out of state and then add up the tax due to the state in which you're filing. Now that most businesses nationwide are adding your state's sales tax to your total the entry on your state tax forms "should" disappear.
FWIW
Paul in CT

[34PKUP]

Originally Posted by 37 Coupe

I think it will effect more sellers than buyers especially those selling cars.

Sellers don't pay sales tax, buyers pay sales tax.
When a local car dealer sells a car it's the buyers obligation to pay the sales tax (if any), not the dealer.

[37 Coupe]

Originally Posted by 34PKUP

Sellers don't pay sales tax, buyers pay sales tax.
When a local car dealer sells a car it's the buyers obligation to pay the sales tax (if any), not the dealer.

No,what I mean is it is going to be tougher to sell with an added charge. I sold a 1932 Plymouth last year on Ebay and I would not be able to do that again with the state sales tax documented.Just saying how many have honestly paid full tax or an "agreed" to price ?

[Dak Rat]

Speedway, Jegs, Summit all tack on sales tax now in addition to E-bay. Reminds me of the old Beatles song--Tax Man.

[JSeery]

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Originally Posted by skidmarks

Well in my case, it does by buying local... no sales tax.

If you don't have a local sales tax, then you should not be charged one online, it is a state issue, not the sellers.

[skidmarks]

Originally Posted by JSeery

If you don't have a local sales tax, then you should not be charged one online, it is a state issue, not the sellers.

Correct. If its purchased in delaware.
But if i buy online say, California and shipped to delaware they are gonna charge me California sales tax just like if i drove to a California pepboys and bought air fresheners, right?
Question
Is the seller collecting the sales tax or is ebay? And you know how ebay charges a percentage to the seller for what they charge a buyer for shipping(which is a rip off) plus the commission on the sale. Have they figured out a awy to tack on another fee for the sales tax?

[Kube]

Originally Posted by richard crow

we are bring taxed to death & no body saiys any thing the roads are shot the bridges are falling down & all that goes on in washton is this inpeachment bs

Not to mention the failure to teach English and grammar.

[cas3]

what the heck, we all knew it was commin, do you think the gubment is going to pass up some easy money?

[CHuDWah]

I don't like paying sales tax online (or any where else for that matter) but I figured it would happen. But I object to it being charged based on the buyer's state. If I buy something in person in another state, that's where the sale happens and that's the sales tax rate I pay - should be the same online.

Also, my state (and likely others) has different sales tax rates depending on the item purchased, and some items have no tax. Wonder if eBay will collect taxes accordingly?

[TJ]

Originally Posted by CHuDWah

I don't like paying sales tax online (or any where else for that matter) but I figured it would happen. But I object to it being charged based on the buyer's state. If I buy something in person in another state, that's where the sale happens and that's the sales tax rate I pay - should be the same online.

The tax is assessed according to the state where the purchaser lives. It's the court ruling. Right now swap meets are the place to buy, but it probably won't be long before the tax man starts roaming the aisles of the swap meets looking for ways to collect sales tax(especially in California).

[CHuDWah]

Originally Posted by 34PKUP

Sellers don't pay sales tax, buyers pay sales tax.
When a local car dealer sells a car it's the buyers obligation to pay the sales tax (if any), not the dealer.

Dunno how all states do it, but I've lived in a couple where the tax was paid when the car was titled. Usually if the dealer handled the paperwork, they collected it and submitted it to the DMV. If not, the buyer paid it direct to the DMV. Either way, I wonder what happens with the DMV if eBay has already collected it?

[CHuDWah]

Originally Posted by TJ

The tax is assessed according to the state where the purchaser lives. It's the court ruling. Right now swap meets are the place to buy, but it probably won't be long before the tax man starts roaming the aisles of the swap meets looking for ways to collect sales tax(especially in California).

Yeah, I understand that. But it's inconsistent with in-person sales - that's why I disagree with the way it's assessed.

[34PKUP]

Originally Posted by CHuDWah

Dunno how all states do it, but I've lived in a couple where the tax was paid when the car was titled. Usually if the dealer handled the paperwork, they collected it and submitted it to the DMV. If not, the buyer paid it direct to the DMV. Either way, I wonder what happens with the DMV if eBay has already collected it?

If EBAY collected the tax then it's just a simple matter of presenting a proof of tax payment to the DMV. if the transaction is not already in the system,
And if EBAY does not collect tax on motor vehicles then it is the same as it used to be, payment of tax when applying for Reg./title.

[JSeery]

Originally Posted by skidmarks

Correct. If its purchased in delaware.
But if i buy online say, California and shipped to delaware they are gonna charge me California sales tax just like if i drove to a California pepboys and bought air fresheners, right?
Question
Is the seller collecting the sales tax or is ebay? And you know how ebay charges a percentage to the seller for what they charge a buyer for shipping(which is a rip off) plus the commission on the sale. Have they figured out a awy to tack on another fee for the sales tax?

Don't think that is how it works, it is the buyers address (state) that is collecting the tax, not the sellers location. Ebay, etc, is just the go between. The seller that is collecting the tax is ebay on behave of the buyers state and they are the ones who have to pay the state. They are the ones getting screwed over here. They have to handle the transaction without any cut I would guess, just like local merchants.

[CHuDWah]

Originally Posted by 34PKUP

If EBAY collected the tax then it's just a simple matter of presenting a proof of tax payment to the DMV. if the transaction is not already in the system,
And if EBAY does not collect tax on motor vehicles then it is the same as it used to be, payment of tax when applying for Reg./title.

Uh-huh. And we'll see how that works the next time I go to the DMV...I ain't holding my breath.

[cas3]

most of the big swap meets have required the vendors to fill out a tax form on entry for several years now.

[itslow]

Originally Posted by JSeery

Not sure why this is being considered such a big deal. You have to pay the sales tax if you buy local as well. I don't like it, I don't like much of any tax in fact, but it is a state issue, not an ebay issue.

People just like to bitch and moan. Particularly when they're ignorant of the reason or situation.

Originally Posted by skidmarks

But if i buy online say, California and shipped to delaware they are gonna charge me California sales tax just like if i drove to a California pepboys and bought air fresheners, right?

No.

Originally Posted by skidmarks

Is the seller collecting the sales tax or is ebay?

eBay, who then remits payment to the requisite state.

[skidmarks]

[QUOTE=itslow;1819603]People just like to bitch and moan. Particularly when they're ignorant of the reason or situation.



But if no one bitched about anything, where would we be, And if you dont know the answer to a issue doesnt make someone ignorant.

[JSeery]

[QUOTE=skidmarks;1819628]

Originally Posted by itslow

People just like to bitch and moan. Particularly when they're ignorant of the reason or situation.



But if no one bitched about anything, where would we be, And if you dont know the answer to a issue doesnt make someone ignorant.

Believe that is the definition of ignorant. I know the term is often misused, but it means you don't know something, not that you are stupid. Everyone is ignorant in a lot of areas, but in my case I fall into the stupid category to often as well!!!

[paul2748]

The tax charged is the state where the item is shipped to, not where the item comes from.

ebay is collecting the tax, not the seller. ebay only takes a commission on the total payment. No double charge, at least not on my sales. If you know your state's tax rate, you can check the amount charged for tax.

No matter where you buy an item. if it's a taxable item (some items are not taxable according to your states' law) your going to pay tax either through ebay or if you buy locally. The brick and mortar stores have been arguing this tax issue for years for years and years and finally won in court.

The question comes down to this - can you find the item you need at your local store? At least half the time, it's NO when I am looking for something a little out of the ordinary so the only choices are ebay and Amazon.

Lets face it - we have been getting taxable items free of tax for years, now it's over.

Originally Posted by skidmarks

Correct. If its purchased in delaware.
But if i buy online say, California and shipped to delaware they are gonna charge me California sales tax just like if i drove to a California pepboys and bought air fresheners, right?
Question
Is the seller collecting the sales tax or is ebay? And you know how ebay charges a percentage to the seller for what they charge a buyer for shipping(which is a rip off) plus the commission on the sale. Have they figured out a awy to tack on another fee for the sales tax?

[Tinker]

Probably why ebay charges tax is that a lot of retailers, big and small, sell items there. I believe as a individual you only have to report year end sales over 10k on ebay to the government.



But if I sold a boat motor locally for $500, I theoretically should show that as income. Guess they get ya coming and going as the taxes on one said item could be paid 15 times! Certainly over 80yrs of the part.



Bitchin' done...

[95476]

EBAY is slowly putting themselves under. Sites like Instagram, this site,the HAMB, and many others are taking over.
Most of the stuff I see on EBAY is overpriced junk being peddled by dealers trying to score big from less than knowledgeable buyers.
5,000 dollar coupe doors, 5,500 dollar garnish moldings, high boy '34 trucks for 225,000.,etc. Enough already.

[paul2748]

You are mistaken about paying tax on a boat sale if you bought the boat with after tax dollars and made no profit on the sale, presuming you are not a dealer and the boat was not used in a business.. Only the profit would be reportable, not the full amount received. Same with a car. And yes, every time that a item changes hands sales taxes are due if the item is taxable - like a car and a boat. - But buyer is responsible for the tax.


If your in business, you have to be registered with the state taxing authorities and in most instances you are required to collect any sales tax from the buyer and remit it to the state.

Originally Posted by Tinker

Probably why ebay charges tax is that a lot of retailers, big and small, sell items there.


I believe as a individual you only have to report year end sales over 10k on ebay to the government. But if I sold a boat motor locally for $500, I theoretically should show that as income. Guess they get ya coming and going as the taxes on one said item could be paid 15 times!


Bitchin' done...

[paul2748]

100 % correct

Originally Posted by JSeery

Don't think that is how it works, it is the buyers address (state) that is collecting the tax, not the sellers location. Ebay, etc, is just the go between. The seller that is collecting the tax is ebay on behave of the buyers state and they are the ones who have to pay the state. They are the ones getting screwed over here. They have to handle the transaction without any cut I would guess, just like local merchants.

[Tinker]

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I think it's a mote point really. Someone would have to care about your boat motor and pull your records for the $100 profit. Bigger fish.


On a vehicle sale you get to pay the taxes when you title change.


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[tubman]

"moot", not "mute" (not speaking) or "mote" (a small particle). I know it's trivial, but it's one of the things that really bother me. Mainly because the words can be a bit close in meaning and may tend to confuse some.

[Tinker]

Originally Posted by tubman

"moot", not "mute". I know it's trivial, but it's one of the things that really bother me. Mainly because the two words can be a bit close in meaning and may tend to confuse some.

Thanks tubman...

mote, like "a mote(small) probability". moot would be "no probability".
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/mote




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[Fordors]

If your state charges sales tax then do your homework, see if your place of residence charges an additional amount.
As a resident of Illinois I will pay 6.3%, the state sales tax rate. Beyond that municipalities are permitted to tack on a percentage mandated by state law (within limits) but those additional amounts will not be included in eBay transactions.

[35fordtn]

I have to admit 70% of my current income is made through my eBay store. I don’t mind one bit that sales tax is charged its only fair and helps the local economies. As tinker mentioned many large businesses sell on their. It’s unfair to a buyer to get a better deal online for a early ford part than that of if they want into a brick and mortar store.

[Tinker]

too be fair also. Brick and mortar is overhead. Most of startups fail to realize the cost.


Have at it. A world junkyard. Crazy sometimes. If a door handle goes for 1k great, most of the time it sits unsold.


Doesn't mean you'll find everything you what, just another source. Look around!



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[mrtexas]

Originally Posted by Fordors

As a resident of Illinois I will pay 6.3%, the state sales tax rate. Beyond that municipalities are permitted to tack on a percentage mandated by state law (within limits) but those additional amounts will not be included in eBay transactions.

Not true. Texas state tax is 6.25%. Local adds in 2%. I pay 8.25% on ebay.

[uncle buck]

Originally Posted by CHuDWah

Yeah, I understand that. But it's inconsistent with in-person sales - that's why I disagree with the way it's assessed.

The tax is based on point of delivery. If you buy in store and leave with items you pay the local tax where the store is . If you have an item shipped to your home you pay your local sales tax. I have a business and sell and deliver to surrounding areas and have to collect and pay the tax to the districts that I deliver to. At least I get the satisfaction of doing all the collection, accounting and dispersing the funds at my expense.... and hopefully there are no errors that I will be penalized for.

[redmodelt]

If your state does not have a sales tax you will not pay on things you buy on Ebay etc. This a Federal thing because of online sales from big stores which includes Ebay, the states that have sales tax were not getting monies for goods that were bought by people living in that state from another state. The guys that live in Canada but have a US shipping address get charged sales tax if the goods are shipped to state with one. Washington pass a bill that even if I live in Oregon any taxable goods bought in Washington but will be used in Oregon, I still have to pay Washington sales tax. As out of state buyers, we bought a number of items at Allen Shurman's auction and had to pay Washington sales tax.

[DavidG]

In your example it is based on the long-standing premise of taxation where the goods are received and not a result of a recent change in Washington state tax laws. You received the goods in Washington at the auction and were assessed the sales tax accordingly. Where you ultimately took the goods had no bearing on the imposition of the sales tax.


Hershey veterans know that everything purchased at the swap meet there is subject to Pennsylvania sales tax and has been so for decades. Very few vendors charge for it separately, but the sellers are accountable to the State of Pennsylvania for sales tax on all of their sales of goods physically on site and it is enforced.

[Frank Miller]

Who collects the tax? Ebay or the seller? I do not use ebay anymore for different reasons but it was getting worse. We used to be able to just communicate with the seller and other bidders for that matter. Pay the seller directly. Then they were forcing us to use paypal. Calculating their own shipping charges.
If I see 3rd gen selling something on ebay I can just contact him directly abd not pay sales tax. Massachusetts has put locks on businesses for failing to pay them sales tax collected. How much luck will they have going to Tennessee and 3rd gen will have to hire someone to calculate and write checks to all those sales tax states he does business with.
New Hampshire borders Massachusetts and it is not uncommon to go there to buy big ticket items. New Hampshire has state run liquor stores on the border for this reason. It's like crossing the border on a major highway and pulling into a rest area.
They tried to get companies with a presence in Massachusetts to collect sales tax from Massachusetts residents doing business there. I believe Town Fair Tire was targeted. Massachusetts lost the case. I think in the end it comes down to automation and what was once not feasible, now is.
As some pointed out some states' tax vary by city or county. Good luck with that, was what I said at one time. Now I guess it will automatically calculate when the zip code is entered.

[Fordors]

Originally Posted by mrtexas

Not true. Texas state tax is 6.25%. Local adds in 2%. I pay 8.25% on ebay.

You are right, and I stand corrected. Effective Jan.1, 2020 eBay will start collecting and disbursing any local sales taxes enacted by municipalities in Illinois.

[marko39]

Is the tax just on the item purchased or are they adding shipping to the taxable amount?

[Mike51Merc]

Just to add more trivia to the bonfire:

Sales tax laws are written as "Sales and Use Taxes". The tax is imposed on where the person USES the item. Crossing state lines to buy products tax-free (and then take them home to your taxed state) is technically a crime sometimes called bootlegging. My state has no tax on food or clothing. Our border areas have many clothing outlet stores that see busloads of people daily.

[Old Redneck]

This will stop people from buying on e-bay for sure. At Hershey it not enforce very much.

[1948F-1Pickup]

Originally Posted by marko39

Is the tax just on the item purchased or are they adding shipping to the taxable amount?

Tax just on the item purchased.

Here's a non-automotive transaction from yesterday, buyer and seller in CA.

[deuce5wndw]

To answer Frank Miller's question, eBay collects the sales tax and the seller doesn't even see the total with the sales tax added. As a seller on eBay I'm glad eBay is the one doing the collecting and remitting to the different states! Can you imagine the headache keeping track and sending to 38 states? In Kentucky there is a a small fee given to the merchant for collecting sales tax so I would assume eBay is making that fee in all the states.

[38bill]

Minnesota has always required that you pay sales tax on taxable items purchased out of state for use in Minnesota. I think there was an annual purchases amount of something like $700 before you had to declare and pay the sales tax. I doubt than many people followed this law. The new Fed law just makes it easier for the states to collect the tax by making Ebay, Amazon etc, responsible in the collection since they oversee the transaction.

PS:A merchant in Minnesota receives nothing for collecting, reporting and forwarding the sales tax collected. Shipping is also taxable in MN.

[CHuDWah]

Originally Posted by uncle buck

The tax is based on point of delivery. If you buy in store and leave with items you pay the local tax where the store is . If you have an item shipped to your home you pay your local sales tax. I have a business and sell and deliver to surrounding areas and have to collect and pay the tax to the districts that I deliver to. At least I get the satisfaction of doing all the collection, accounting and dispersing the funds at my expense.... and hopefully there are no errors that I will be penalized for.

Like I said, I understand all that but I disagree with the principle. And yeah, I realize my disagreement and $5 (plus tax ) will get me a Starbucks.

As for your error-free collecting, accounting and dispersing, I sympathize. But that's a cost of doing business and I assume you have priced your goods to cover that overhead.

[DavidG]

Florida has the same requirement as Minnesota and other states likely do as well. Let me guess who is unaware of that despite being a resident (evidently).

[CHuDWah]

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Originally Posted by DavidG

Florida has the same requirement as Minnesota and other states likely do as well. Let me guess who is unaware of that despite being a resident (evidently).

OK, go ahead and guess...to whom does the bolded refer?

[Talkwrench]

As an international buyer you pay both ends.. If I purchase in the U.S.or U.K I would be paying some sort of tax on it, doesn't come duty free. And now even if its under $1000 I'll be paying a 10% tax when it comes into Australia. And with the postage thats been jacked up I will be paying twice of what its really worth!

[DavidG]

It refers to the guy who lives in a state where there is no income tax and yet he still resents helping to pay for the services he receives from the state.

[paul2748]

Mike - your incorrect. Yes, most states call their tax Sales & Use but they are a little different. Sales tax is paid where you take delivery as mentioned above, usually from a instate seller. "Use" tax is a tax levied on the buyer if he purchases the goods from out of state and the item is shipped into the buyers location and no tax is charged by the seller. The buyer is required to report such purchases and pay the "USE" tax. This usually came into play before the new court case came into play. Now with the new court ruling, it may have less of an effect on the "Use" side because out of state sellers may be required to charge sales tax no matter where the seller has a location.

Just as a side note, prior to the court ruling, an out of state seller was not required to charge an instate buyer any sales tax if the seller did not have a business location in the state where the item was sent to.

I was in the corporate tax department of a large multi-state corporation and dealt with these taxes all the time. I dealt with a large number of states' sales taxes. I dealt with the state's auditors all the time.


I also disagree on the your statement abut "bootlegging' There is nothing illegal (as far as I know)about a person going to another state and buying goods tax free and then bring them into a state that taxes the same items. They are supposed to report out of state purchases and pay the tax if the state requires them to do so (Use Tax). The "crime" is not paying the tax, not buying the goods tax free in another state.

Originally Posted by Mike51Merc

Just to add more trivia to the bonfire:
Sales tax laws are written as "Sales and Use Taxes". The tax is imposed on where the person USES the item. Crossing state lines to buy products tax-free (and then take them home to your taxed state) is technically a crime sometimes called bootlegging. My state has no tax on food or clothing. Our border areas have many clothing outlet stores that see busloads of people daily.

[RobR'35]

The states that collect tax have always cried for more where they can get it, and waste it. Now a NEW source of revenue where they can collect from and waste, they'll still be looking, crying for more.

[TJ]

Originally Posted by RobR'35

The states that collect tax have always cried for more where they can get it, and waste it. Now a NEW source of revenue where they can collect from and waste, they'll still be looking, crying for more.

California is a classic example.

[JSeery]

Originally Posted by paul2748

I also disagree on the your statement abut "bootlegging' There is nothing illegal (as far as I know)about a person going to another state and buying goods tax free and then bring them into a state that taxes the same items. They are supposed to report out of state purchases and pay the tax if the state requires them to do so (Use Tax). The "crime" is not paying the tax, not buying the goods tax free in another state.

Not sure about this part, it was a fairly common practice in Kansas to go into Missouri and purchase alcohol and tobacco products. It was my understanding that it was illegal to cross state lines with these products. They required a state tax stamp. Not sure what the current law is or if it has changed.

[paul2748]

In a lot of cases , alcohol and tobacco fall under different rules, not necessarly under the sales tax law. Some states have a maximum that can be brought into their state from outside if it falls under a "personal use" exemption. (Alcohol even has an exemption under the Federal alcohol tax for a certain maximum that is purchased outside the U.S.) Bootlegging usually applies when a person purchases alcohol or tobacco products for resale

Originally Posted by JSeery

Not sure about this part, it was a fairly common practice in Kansas to go into Missouri and purchase alcohol and tobacco products. It was my understanding that it was illegal to cross state lines with these products. They required a state tax stamp. Not sure what the current law is or if it has changed.

[BoxCar Tom]

Originally Posted by DavidG
"It refers to the guy who lives in a state where there is no income tax and yet he still resents helping to pay for the services he receives from the state."

Its the American way, Ever body loves living here but nobody wants to pay taxes.

[petehoovie]

Originally Posted by BoxCar Tom

Originally Posted by DavidG
"It refers to the guy who lives in a state where there is no income tax and yet he still resents helping to pay for the services he receives from the state."

Its the American way, Ever body loves living here but nobody wants to pay taxes.

It's how the money spent. When 70-80% of my tax dollar is dedicated to the excessive wages, benefits and perks paid to government employees, there's not much left over to fill the potholes in the streets....

[paul2748]

Taxes are what we pay for civilized society.” The famous quote by US Supreme Court Justice Oliver Wendell Holmes Jr. is inscribed above the entrance to the headquarters of the Internal Revenue Service.

[Tinker]

Originally Posted by deuce5wndw

To answer Frank Miller's question, eBay collects the sales tax and the seller doesn't even see the total with the sales tax added. As a seller on eBay I'm glad eBay is the one doing the collecting and remitting to the different states! Can you imagine the headache keeping track and sending to 38 states? In Kentucky there is a a small fee given to the merchant for collecting sales tax so I would assume eBay is making that fee in all the states.

That is a good point. Agree totally. And for local businesses it's fair.



But to play devils advocate, it's like back in the day when banks gave out debit cards and they were free to use as a consumer everywhere. Years later the fees started. I'd guess ebay will do the same. It's a slow squeeze! hahaha It's still a great site or was.


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[35fordtn]

eBay used to be and still is a good gig, however I pay them more in a year in fees than I make as a income myself.. As a seller eBay has made the sales tax change easy. For the buyer, there was no warning..

I hope to, in the near future put eBay in my rearview mirror for the most part..

[J Franklin]

Originally Posted by 35fordtn

eBay used to be and still is a good gig, however I pay them more in a year in fees than I make as a income myself.
..

I'm not sure how that can happen as they only take a % of your income from sales.

[35fordtn]

Originally Posted by J Franklin

I'm not sure how that can happen as they only take a % of your income from sales.

They take a percentage of your sale, a percentage of the shipping, charge you a fee for your store (I think ours is the $400.00 a month version), and charge you a listing fee per listing per month (roughly $1) on a buy it now if I remember correctly but i could be wrong as my wife handles all of that end. They also charge a very minimal listing fee.

So if a small to medium sized seller has 2500 buy it now items, thats a $2500 a month bill (assuming they dont sell within a 30 day period..

eBay is a great outlet for volume, but after the fees and the typical overhead of a business added in it's really adds up.

[Hitman]

Originally Posted by 35fordtn

They take a percentage of your sale, a percentage of the shipping, charge you a fee for your store (I think ours is the $400.00 a month version), and charge you a listing fee per listing per month (roughly $1) on a buy it now if I remember correctly but i could be wrong as my wife handles all of that end. They also charge a very minimal listing fee.

So if a small to medium sized seller has 2500 buy it now items, thats a $2500 a month bill (assuming they dont sell within a 30 day period..

eBay is a great outlet for volume, but after the fees and the typical overhead of a business added in it's really adds up.

This is correct, even as a "pays for the hobby" small scale seller, their fees add up! I sell most of my items on sites other than eBay. Instagram, here, Craigslist and others.

[CHuDWah]

Originally Posted by DavidG

Florida has the same requirement as Minnesota and other states likely do as well. Let me guess who is unaware of that despite being a resident (evidently).

Originally Posted by DavidG

It refers to the guy who lives in a state where there is no income tax and yet he still resents helping to pay for the services he receives from the state.

Well since I am aware of the Florida use (not sales) tax requirement, it's good to know you weren't referring to me even though I'm a resident (evidently) and your post immediately followed mine. Are you aware out-of-state sales tax can be credited against the use tax? So Florida may not get anything from an out-of-state transaction anyway.

Sure, I don't like paying taxes. Who does? But I realize they're necessary and if you read my posts in this thread, you know I didn't object to them per se. What I do object to is the inconsistent way sales tax is assessed on online versus in-person purchases.

In this thread, it has been stated the online tax is assessed by the state to which the goods are delivered. I would argue title to them passes when they are paid for, regardless whether that is online or in-person. I would further argue the state where that occurs should assess the sales tax. Apparently that is your opinion as well:

Originally Posted by DavidG

In your example it is based on the long-standing premise of taxation where the goods are received and not a result of a recent change in Washington state tax laws. You received the goods in Washington at the auction and were assessed the sales tax accordingly. Where you ultimately took the goods had no bearing on the imposition of the sales tax.


Hershey veterans know that everything purchased at the swap meet there is subject to Pennsylvania sales tax and has been so for decades. Very few vendors charge for it separately, but the sellers are accountable to the State of Pennsylvania for sales tax on all of their sales of goods physically on site and it is enforced.

Arranging delivery via USPS, UPS, FedEx, whatever simply is a courtesy service provided by the seller (whose cost the buyer likely reimburses or pays directly) after title to the goods has passed. A car is the exception, which isn't really an exception at all. Although it is paid for before it is shipped, title has not passed. That happens when it is titled in the buyer’s name and in Florida, that is when the tax is paid. If eBay collects the tax, hopefully it will be efficiently remitted so the titling can go smoothly...but I wouldn't hold my breath.

And yeah, I still realize my opinion and $5 (plus sales tax ) will get me that Starbucks.

Oh, BTW, Florida has no income tax because we soak all those snowbirds who come down to escape the Minnesota winter.

[redmodelt]

https://community.ebay.com/

[Tinker]

Originally Posted by CHuDWah

Oh, BTW, Florida has no income tax because we soak all those snowbirds who come down to escape the Minnesota winter.

Minnesota is 4th highest, but we have some great programs.

Not sure if this is accurate.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/reneemo.../#dc71f5538972



You do make up for it on property tax in fl a thing you bought and pay yearly taxes on. But well worth the winter tax!


A Joke!!! only certainty in life, death and taxes! even after for one. hahaha

[CHuDWah]

Originally Posted by Tinker

Minnesota is 4th highest, but we have some great programs. Ya but ya make up for it on property tax in fl a thing you bought and pay yearly taxes on. But well worth the winter tax!


A Joke!!! only certainty in life, death and taxes! even after. hahaha

That's what everybody says but effective property tax rate is pretty close to the national average. I don't think it's much worse than other states where I've lived. Insurance is what's expensive.

Yeah, Florida programs aren't the best, at least in some areas. I think that's due more to misplaced priorities than to lack of tax revenue.

[Tinker]

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We can compare in private on pm, I lived there 20yrs. But I disagree.

[CHuDWah]

Originally Posted by Tinker

We can compare in private on pm, I lived there 20yrs. But I disagree.

Life would be pretty boring if we all agreed.

[Tinker]

Life is a series of truths and some luck.

[Frank Miller]

Originally Posted by 35fordtn

They take a percentage of your sale, a percentage of the shipping, charge you a fee for your store (I think ours is the $400.00 a month version), and charge you a listing fee per listing per month (roughly $1) on a buy it now if I remember correctly but i could be wrong as my wife handles all of that end. They also charge a very minimal listing fee.

So if a small to medium sized seller has 2500 buy it now items, thats a $2500 a month bill (assuming they dont sell within a 30 day period..

eBay is a great outlet for volume, but after the fees and the typical overhead of a business added in it's really adds up.

I was talking to Wray about this yesterday and he said he is selling less on ebay and more on his website. I think a website to sell stuff might be the answer to this. Of course maybe people will be contacting sellers and doing more private deals.

[37 Coupe]

Originally Posted by 35fordtn

eBay used to be and still is a good gig, however I pay them more in a year in fees than I make as a income myself.. As a seller eBay has made the sales tax change easy. For the buyer, there was no warning..

I hope to, in the near future put eBay in my rearview mirror for the most part..

Exactly,no warning. I found out after I bid and won the part I had been watching and questioned the extra $15.00 charge .Seller also had no clue.

[petehoovie]

Originally Posted by 37 Coupe

Exactly,no warning. I found out after I bid and won the part I had been watching and questioned the extra $15.00 charge .Seller also had no clue.

eBay did send a email warning to all users on Sept. 14th. Here's a copy of the email I received:

Dear Pete Hoovie,

At eBay, we strive to make our policies clear and our services easy to use. As part of that commitment, we’re announcing some changes to the eBay User Agreement.

Our updated User Agreement will take effect on August 30, 2019 for all users. You can read the updated User Agreement as of August 30, 2019, on eBay.com.

Key updates:
● The changes relate to eBay’s on-going rights and responsibilities related to marketplace tax collection.

Thank you for being a part of the eBay community.

Sincerely,
eBay Team

[Fordors]

Early on in this thread Phil Swanson made it clear that this is not something cooked up by a state or eBay. It came about as a result of a suit brought by retailers trying to level the playing field and the court agreed with their argument. Of course the states will appreciate the added income but they did not initiate this.
On a different note anyone that thinks sniping wins them items on eBay is mistaken. It only shows no one else entered a bid or snipe with a higher value. A higher proxy will beat a snipe every time.

[Frank Miller]

Yesterday in Massachusetts a guy got stopped for bootlegging liquor. They said he had 36,000 dollars worth and the floor of the Suburban had been reinforced for this purpose.
Always someone working a scam. Least he could have done was kept the inspection sticker valid.
https://www.masslive.com/news/2019/1...known-law.html

[ronn]

ebay sales tax began in NJ in May- then took effect in NY in July..........


the easy answer for NJ is to get a Delaware post box and ship to DE and take a ride once in awhile.......................


the tax has curbed my buying and I find it a good thing. everyone gets less of my $

[oldredford]

Originally Posted by richard crow

we are bring taxed to death & no body saiys any thing the roads are shot the bridges are falling down & all that goes on in washton is this inpeachment bs

If you think taxes are bad/high now, if Uncle Bernie gets elected....

[J Franklin]

Originally Posted by oldredford

If you think taxes are bad/high now, if XYZ gets elected....

Too political for Ford Barn. Don't get the thread locked please!

[Fordors]

Originally Posted by ronn

ebay sales tax began in NJ in May- then took effect in NY in July..........

the easy answer for NJ is to get a Delaware post box and ship to DE and take a ride once in awhile.......................

the tax has curbed my buying and I find it a good thing. everyone gets less of my $

While I don’t have pricing for PO Boxes in Delaware they must be comparable to these prices in Maryland. Forget the medium size, you can hardly get anything in one. Stepping up to Large 11x11x14 3/4 costs you $566 per year and the largest size is 22 1/2x12x14 3/4 for $892. In either case one would need quite a few purchases before seeing any return on investment. JMO.

[jplawman]

HEY PEOPLE == IS THAT NOT WHY WE LEFT ENGLAND. how do we as the people know where that money taken from you is going? IRS BETTER AUDIT E-BAY WHY should I pay tax on used goods anyway hasn't it already been taxed once before.

[J Franklin]

Originally Posted by jplawman

Why should I pay tax on used goods anyway? Hasn't it already been taxed once before?

( punctuation added)
The tax is levied on the sale not the item.

[HD]

MA. & VT have to pay income tax on E BAY sales, they get a 1099 form at the end of the year if they sell over $600.00, I have been selling on E BAY since it started, I am all done selling on E BAY

[35fordtn]

. I pay income taxes on eBay sales every year and can understand why, however I am a business not a individual. eBay in my opinion is not after us guys selling car parts, they are after the guys selling new TV’s, floor mats, and everything else under the sun that had previously been doing so tax free.

It would be unfair to most for a person like me whom at one time made my full living through eBay tax free. That time did exist and it was unfair, thus I don’t complain about currently having to pay a income tax.

I can see the side of the argument that when selling a used product you shouldn’t be taxed again on it, however used cars are taxed as is anything at a pawn shop if you live anywhere with a state sales tax.

As for where the taxes collected gets spent as asked above, that topic would become WAY too political to get into on here in my opinion.

[34 GAZ]

I had,nt sold anything on Ebay for quite a while until about 2 months ago. Then on a whim i posted a nice 1934 style Citroen grille on Ebay U.S.A. End price was much higher than i would ever get here but i was hit for about $55 sales tax. ( did ebay scam me ) Did,nt know that the buyer would also get hit. Anyway i still came out ahead but it sure is a bad taste in the mouth. BTW i don,t buy any parts on Ebay if the seller uses the Pittney Bowes global shipping scheme. Thats a money trap for overseas buyers as well.

[Frank Miller]

I was speaking with a gentleman from Belgium last week and he told me that there stuff is not taxed more than once. He also said prices on items in the store reflect the sales tax so you don't see a higher amount at the register.
In Massachusetts you pay the sales tax at the registry when you title the car. It may be a bit different but unless you bought from a dealer they figure how much you paid based on blue book value. Believe it or not some people would write a bill of sale for less than what was actually paid. Also you have like a week to title the vehicle and pay the sales tax. I know it's going to take you 3 years to get t roadworthy but they do not care. You have to pay it now.

[tubman]

Originally Posted by Frank Miller

..... Also you have like a week to title the vehicle and pay the sales tax. I know it's going to take you 3 years to get t roadworthy but they do not care. You have to pay it now.

This is not necessarily a bad thing. It beats spending 3 years of your time and an attendant amount of money just to find you can't get a title. It used to be a common topic on the "H.A.M.B.".

[35fordtn]

Originally Posted by 34 GAZ

I had,nt sold anything on Ebay for quite a while until about 2 months ago. Then on a whim i posted a nice 1934 style Citroen grille on Ebay U.S.A. End price was much higher than i would ever get here but i was hit for about $55 sales tax. ( did ebay scam me ) Did,nt know that the buyer would also get hit. Anyway i still came out ahead but it sure is a bad taste in the mouth. BTW i don,t buy any parts on Ebay if the seller uses the Pittney Bowes global shipping scheme. Thats a money trap for overseas buyers as well.

Are you sure the $55 was tax, and not the eBay fees? And yes the GSP (global shipping program) is a joke. Most sellers sign up for it do to the ease, but you guys on the other end really get taken on the GSP

[34 GAZ]

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^^^^^^ It was sales tax, i went and read all the small letters and they have it covered real good. With the fees on top of everything including PayPal the fun is gone. Back to local swapmeets and PreWarCar for selling in Europe.

[35fordtn]

Originally Posted by 34 GAZ

^^^^^^ It was sales tax, i went and read all the small letters and they have it covered real good. With the fees on top of everything including PayPal the fun is gone. Back to local swapmeets and PreWarCar for selling in Europe.

Thats quite odd... Usually only the buyer pays the sales tax.. PayPal sometimes charges a "exchange rate" fee if you are selling on another countries site but not near to that amount..

Always for us, the BUYER pays the sales tax and while we can see it on our end, we are not charged it.

strange.....

[Tinker]

it's been a few yrs but ebay only charged me a monthly charge or items sold in that month. Percentage/commission. Been a while i guess.

[redmodelt]

If you only sell then there are only the charges for the items sold, how ever, if you have an Ebay store then there is a monthly charge.

[Tinker]

Originally Posted by redmodelt

If you only sell then there are only the charges for the items sold, however, if you have an Ebay store then there is a monthly charge.

not true, in my experience. The sold items tally to the month. like any consignment. Agee No charge beyond regular sales.

I appreciate the site. World junk/gem yard.

[paul2748]

Maybe something to do with the Netherlands tax code. Is the Netherlands in the EU? Lot of European countries had a Value Added Tax - not sure how the EU laws changed that.

Originally Posted by 34 GAZ

I had,nt sold anything on Ebay for quite a while until about 2 months ago. Then on a whim i posted a nice 1934 style Citroen grille on Ebay U.S.A. End price was much higher than i would ever get here but i was hit for about $55 sales tax. ( did ebay scam me ) Did,nt know that the buyer would also get hit. Anyway i still came out ahead but it sure is a bad taste in the mouth. BTW i don,t buy any parts on Ebay if the seller uses the Pittney Bowes global shipping scheme. Thats a money trap for overseas buyers as well.

[skidmarks]

I sold a part to a person in Pennsylvania. The paypal shows " sales tax collected by Ebay ". Looks like they taxed them for the sale and the $10 I charged them to ship it.
Should the tax be for just the part?

[J Franklin]

Originally Posted by skidmarks

I sold a part to a person in Pennsylvania. The paypal shows " sales tax collected by Ebay ". Looks like they taxed them for the sale and the $10 I charged them to ship it.
Should the tax be for just the part?

It depends on the State and what is included in their sales tax.

[35fordtn]

Exactly what J Franklin said. Some states impose sales tax on purchased item only and some include the shipping.

There is a much dreaded and anticipated ebay fee increase coming mid year 2020 as rumor has it. I would presume this being due to the personnel eBay has had to hire to handle this sales tax fiasco.

I am fortunately/unfortunately a part of ebays “seller development program” for the eBay motors portion. I randomly here rumors from other higher up the food chain sellers of rumors that they have heard from there perspective eBay consultant.

Only time will tell I guess...

One has to give eBay credit though for taking control and handling the sellers tax implications on their end. In a technical sense though when you buy a item off eBay you are essentially purchasing it through eBay and the seller is simply the “drop shipper” and “question answering person”.