Go Back   The Ford Barn > General Discussion > Early V8 (1932-53)

Sponsored Links (Register now to hide all advertisements)

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 11-02-2014, 09:38 PM   #1
Talkwrench
Senior Member
 
Talkwrench's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2012
Location: Perth, Western Australia
Posts: 2,334
Default School me on clutches.

I have removed the clutch from my 35 pickup , [ 21 stud and 41 trans]. I have done this as Ive removed to trans for servicing. It did have a shudder anyway so I will look at everything.
So what do I look for here and how is the finger adjustment done? If I was to purchase a new kit from Fort Wayne clutch is this a straight install and forget thing or are there still adjustments and prep to be done?
It is possible I could go somewhere local and have new material bonded for the clutch, but not sure if that's the right thing to do.
Anything else I should be aware of?
Attached Images
File Type: jpg IMG_3577 S.jpg (147.9 KB, 111 views)
File Type: jpg IMG_3578S.jpg (151.8 KB, 105 views)
File Type: jpg IMG_3581S.jpg (243.8 KB, 119 views)
File Type: jpg IMG_3583S.jpg (201.2 KB, 141 views)
File Type: jpg IMG_3584S.jpg (209.3 KB, 140 views)
File Type: jpg IMG_3585S.jpg (154.1 KB, 132 views)
File Type: jpg IMG_3588S.jpg (250.7 KB, 208 views)
__________________
"Came too close to dying to stop living now!"
Talkwrench is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-02-2014, 09:45 PM   #2
Lawrie
Senior Member
 
Lawrie's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2010
Location: Qld, Australia
Posts: 3,289
Default Re: School me on clutches.

Run your new dial gage over the flywheel face to check it for runnout,then just fit all the fort wayne stuff in,but change the bearing they supply for the pilot in the flywheel for a non chinese one.
Lawrie
Lawrie is offline   Reply With Quote
Sponsored Links (Register now to hide all advertisements)
Old 11-02-2014, 10:12 PM   #3
JSeery
Senior Member
 
JSeery's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2012
Location: Wichita KS
Posts: 13,227
Default Re: School me on clutches.

That setup is toast! At the very least need to check it for run-out (as Lawrie suggest), but there are more problems than that. The flywheel looks like it has been getting oil on it and the clutch surface, this condition would also destroy an new clutch and pressure plate in short order. I would look into replacing the flywheel or having it resurfaced and getting the oil leak problem solved.
JSeery is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 11-02-2014, 10:16 PM   #4
Lawrie
Senior Member
 
Lawrie's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2010
Location: Qld, Australia
Posts: 3,289
Default Re: School me on clutches.

Mate, you arn,t having much luck,
Lawrie
Lawrie is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-02-2014, 10:19 PM   #5
JSeery
Senior Member
 
JSeery's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2012
Location: Wichita KS
Posts: 13,227
Default Re: School me on clutches.

I was going to say when it rains it pours, but was trying to restrain myself, I lost.
JSeery is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 11-02-2014, 10:38 PM   #6
Talkwrench
Senior Member
 
Talkwrench's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2012
Location: Perth, Western Australia
Posts: 2,334
Default Re: School me on clutches.

Its the can of worms..
SO I take it that the oil can either come from the rear of the block or the front of the trans? Anything special for flywheel removal then .. So there should be a seal behind that?
__________________
"Came too close to dying to stop living now!"
Talkwrench is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-02-2014, 10:48 PM   #7
JSeery
Senior Member
 
JSeery's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2012
Location: Wichita KS
Posts: 13,227
Default Re: School me on clutches.

Don't think a 21 stud engine has a seal, it uses an air type of seal. It is a slinger in a gouge type of setup. Not sure if the 21 stud blocks can be modified to add a rope seal or not. Need someone familiar with them to chime in. Might attempt to figure out where oil is coming from.
JSeery is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 11-02-2014, 11:24 PM   #8
Ross F-1
Senior Member
 
Ross F-1's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2010
Location: NM
Posts: 2,214
Default Re: School me on clutches.

That all looks rebuildable to me, as long as a shop can get new finger bolts (shouldn't be hard) and knows how to set them. Surely someone in AU knows how to do it. Oil does seem to be the problem. Refacing the disc is no big deal, and the marcel (flat leaf springs between front and back side of disc) still looks good. I'm pretty sure the trans has no front seal either, just a slinger. If it has a bronze pilot bushing, someone may have been overzealous greasing it.
__________________
'52 F-1, EAB flathead
Ross F-1 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-03-2014, 12:39 AM   #9
deuce_roadster
Senior Member
 
deuce_roadster's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2011
Location: Shelton, WA
Posts: 2,328
Default Re: School me on clutches.

The front bearing retainer does have a seal inside it and it has a gasket where it bolts to the front of the case. There have been problems with new front main drive gear bearings that have the snap ring groove off a little leaving fore and aft slack. I doubt this is where your oil is coming from, probably engine oil.
deuce_roadster is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 11-03-2014, 01:36 AM   #10
Talkwrench
Senior Member
 
Talkwrench's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2012
Location: Perth, Western Australia
Posts: 2,334
Default Re: School me on clutches.

I should have said its a 37 block, did they just have a slinger?

Ross , I think by the time I find someone and go through the costs F / Wayne clutch said it would be $65 to get it here to my door which I can swallow IF its the right stuff straight up, just bolt on no adjustments needed etc.
__________________
"Came too close to dying to stop living now!"
Talkwrench is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-03-2014, 04:59 AM   #11
35ragtop
Senior Member
 
35ragtop's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2010
Location: Gold Coast , Australia
Posts: 197
Default Re: School me on clutches.

Talkwrench, I bought a Fort wayne clutch and pressure plate ,arrived promptly, nicely made and have done about 4000 miles on it no problems. I read on here that they are one of the best outfits.
Dave
35ragtop is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-03-2014, 09:20 AM   #12
Walt Dupont--Me.
Senior Member
 
Walt Dupont--Me.'s Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2010
Location: Gardiner Me.
Posts: 4,200
Default Re: School me on clutches.

I get all my clutches from Fort Wayne, You won't have to adjust the fingers, FW spot welds the studs so no one fools them. I'd get the kit, thro out bearing and piolet bearing in the kit. The 37 does not have a rear seal, it could be leaking around the cork gasket on the rear of the pan, Walt
Walt Dupont--Me. is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-03-2014, 09:30 AM   #13
the cooch
Member
 
the cooch's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2012
Location: Boulder, Colorado
Posts: 82
Default Re: School me on clutches.

Guys with flathead experience please elaborate further. What causes uneven wear around the fingers like that? How many miles did this set up work for? Small amounts of flywheel runout, internal throwout bearing wear, fork shaft wobble etc. adding up to typical fatigue, thus the replaceable small parts? Adjustment to p.p. out? Should new clutch and resurfaced flywheel be balanced together before next installation? Replace throwout bearing as well as new flywheel bushing? Besides the oil invasion what's really gone "wrong" in there? Thanks experts, for any imput, fun to air things out for the sake of current and future hobbyists! -Chris
the cooch is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-03-2014, 11:35 AM   #14
Tony, NY
Senior Member
 
Join Date: May 2010
Location: Capital of Corruption , NY
Posts: 669
Default Re: School me on clutches.

Is that lockwire done correctly, on the flywheel screws? Just curious.
Tony, NY is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-03-2014, 02:48 PM   #15
bbrocksr
Senior Member
 
Join Date: May 2010
Location: Yakima Washington
Posts: 586
Default Re: School me on clutches.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Tony, NY View Post
Is that lockwire done correctly, on the flywheel screws? Just curious.
No!
bbrocksr is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-03-2014, 04:35 PM   #16
V8COOPMAN
Senior Member
 
V8COOPMAN's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2010
Location: East Shore of LAKE HOUSTON
Posts: 5,462
Default Re: School me on clutches.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Tony, NY View Post
Is that lockwire done correctly, on the flywheel screws? Just curious.
Something along the lines of the pic below would be quite appropriate. The idea is to hold tension on each bolt head toward the "tighty" direction, rather than toward the "loosy" direction...or no direction at all. DD

__________________
T5 W/TORQUE TUBE


Understand the subject at hand before you disagree!




V8COOPMAN is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-03-2014, 07:13 PM   #17
Talkwrench
Senior Member
 
Talkwrench's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2012
Location: Perth, Western Australia
Posts: 2,334
Default Re: School me on clutches.

Cooch ,Im interested in those answers too. As far as how long its been like that ? "Henry" has been on the road for a good year and a half , driven almost daily for about 12 months.

It did have a clutch shudder, not bad I could control it.

One thing I did see last night is that there was oil sitting in the flywheel groove [under the bolts last pic]seamed quite tacky ,but I think it was engine oil

If my 37 block has no seal , can it only be the cork gasket Walt mentioned?
I will check how the draught works if anyone could throw up a few pics of where to check?
__________________
"Came too close to dying to stop living now!"
Talkwrench is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-03-2014, 07:47 PM   #18
Lawrie
Senior Member
 
Lawrie's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2010
Location: Qld, Australia
Posts: 3,289
Default Re: School me on clutches.

walt, thats if he has the 37 engine in.
Lawrie
Lawrie is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-03-2014, 07:49 PM   #19
Walt Dupont--Me.
Senior Member
 
Walt Dupont--Me.'s Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2010
Location: Gardiner Me.
Posts: 4,200
Default Re: School me on clutches.

Quote:
Originally Posted by the cooch View Post
Guys with flathead experience please elaborate further. What causes uneven wear around the fingers like that? How many miles did this set up work for? Small amounts of flywheel runout, internal throwout bearing wear, fork shaft wobble etc. adding up to typical fatigue, thus the replaceable small parts? Adjustment to p.p. out? Should new clutch and resurfaced flywheel be balanced together before next installation? Replace throwout bearing as well as new flywheel bushing? Besides the oil invasion what's really gone "wrong" in there? Thanks experts, for any imput, fun to air things out for the sake of current and future hobbyists! -Chris
You have to be carful not the over fill the oil in those early engines 32-42 with no rear seal, if you do it will leak into the clutch area. If you pick up one of those cars by the front bumper and stand it on the rear bumper the oil will run right out of the pan into the clutch. You should have the flywheel resurfaced and after installing check the run out, I've seen them with run out because the flywheel grinder didn't clean the rear of the wheel before setting it up in the machine. I think that one worn finger on the PP is because the fingers were not set up right. You should have the wheel and PP balanced, you'll find the Fort Wayne PP pretty close to balance. You'll have to remove the pan to remove the flywheel. You'll see the cork gasket when you remove the pan. Walt
Walt Dupont--Me. is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-03-2014, 08:50 PM   #20
jake197000
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2010
Posts: 318
Default Re: School me on clutches.

ive used fort wayne clutch several times.super good work.
jake197000 is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump

Sponsored Links (Register now to hide all advertisements)


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 10:16 PM.