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Old 06-13-2024, 06:41 AM   #1
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Sometimes it is late at night (-or early, early morning) when I can't sleep and so I often try to find a YouTube video such as a Model-A topic to get relaxed where I can go back to bed. Some of these videos are SO upside down that I actually get more frustrated than I get relaxed, ...and this is a great example.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WSCl2-kEQT4&t=288s

Now here we are the next morning and I realize that likely most people will never see anything wrong with this video, but the more I listened to him speak about a "Nu-Way" (Nu-Rex?? ??) wrench, or the "dimple in the crank flywheel". ...and countless other things, I just shake my head in total disbelief that this is where our hobby (-and maybe society) is headed.

The irony is that Nu-Rex has, -or had an instructional video on this very topic on how to use this. Maybe if he would have taken the time to watch that video instead of trying to re-time it the 45 times, or whatever the actual amount he did, he would have helped more folks?? But then I would not have had the opportunity to waste about 10 minutes of my life scrolling thru the comments and advice he was given. Good thing AI will use those comments to assist others in the future!!

Have a great and productive day my friends!!
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Old 06-13-2024, 08:06 AM   #2
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Brent, this guy is scary. Please take all tools away from this joker. He said he did it 50 times and it is not right. He should be sued for wasting time in my already elderly life!

The sad thing is, almost 10,000 people have seen this video, and 155 people have subscibed, and how many decided not to buy the wrench. The same wrench that I have been using for years and love.

I wish that AI could delete this guy from planet earth.
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Brent, I'll make some new video content for you this month to fall asleep by.
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Just set the timing the Ford way, simple and easy, no special tool(s) needed. Been doing it that way for well over 60 years and never had a problem. No need to waste time watching videos.
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Old 06-13-2024, 09:20 AM   #5
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Brett:

I had your exact thoughts a week ago when I had a similar situation and chanced upon this same youtube video...One important thing to remember to do is "dislike" the video....I see he has 138 likes on this video but cannot see how many dislikes.

It does not appear this poster had negative intent...meaning he did not make this video to purposely lead people down an incorrect path...Appears more likely an ill informed person who could benefit from redirection...if they are willing to accept.

I chose to NOT subscribe to this fellow's channel...I don't need to see more erroneous videos...
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Is part of the "tab" missing on his Nu-Way wrench? It doesn't look right to me?



I hope everyone gives him a thumbs down.
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Old 06-13-2024, 09:33 AM   #7
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The guy apparently runs a body shop and builds hot rods (according to his profile).

This is exactly the reason I do all my own work on all my cars. The techs at the dealer are just part snappers and most of the independent shops around me are ran by guys like this. If you find someone who knows what they're doing, consider yourself lucky
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Old 06-13-2024, 09:34 AM   #8
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C'mon, people! Katy is right, besides typing his reply faster than I. Setting the timing in a Model A - REAL rocket science stuff that several entrepreneurs have turned into a virtual gold mine for themselves, selling every imaginable Rube Goldberg device to perform this VERY simple task. I get so tired reading page after page of periodic postings discussing this basic procedure. These cars are not Maseratis or Lamborghinis that need precision instruments to set the timing within a millionth degree in order to tweak every possible horsepower out of their engines. How did Farmer John and the world's po' folks during the Great Depression manage to do this without all these modern marvels of technology? Just set the initial timing the way Ford recommended since 1928 with a hand crank and inverted timing pin, and then tweak the distributor cam afterwards slightly clockwise or counterclockwise to dial in the timing to suit your driving style: a little more retarded for a slow idle (turn the cam clockwise), or a little more advanced for more power and speed (turn the cam counterclockwise). The engine will tell you by sound and feel if you have exceeded its limits. Listen to the engine and learn. That's all you need to set the timing: no strobe lights, timing degree wheels, indexed pulleys, special wrenches. Toss all those gimmicks and you'll experience fewer anxieties timing your Model A engine. Old timers here will agree. If you need all those band-aids just to set the timing, Lord help you if you ever tackle a rear end rebuild or a valve adjustment.
There. I feel better now, getting this long-time pet peeve off my chest. K.I.S.S. is usually the best way to go with our cars. Setting the timing is a perfect example.
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I check U-tube when I'm working on something that I have no repair information about. Most videos are well done with good information of the subject but others illustrate the futility a person with no mechanical skills can experience when they have no idea what they are doing. Some are just flat "what not to do" videos. They are hard to watch and a person wonders why they posted them in the first place.
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At start up at the end of the video, sounds like it is only running on 3 cylinders and this guy is claiming victory.
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Brent, You are one of the smartest and most educated persons I know, with regards to the Model A. You have a sixth sense when it comes to mechanical things. Many of the Model A owners are blessed with similar abilities.

However, there are many people in this world who do not have mechanical or electrical abilities and should not be allowed near a Model A under repair. That does not mean that those people are bad or somehow not human. They may be fantastic cooks or have a PhD in physics.

I think the correct thing to do is to point out those video's that are providing wrong or harmful information and refrain from criticizing the people who made them. You did point out the video and you did talk about how the information was wrong. Good for you.

Many many years ago I worked for Dr. Linus Pauling, a renowned scientist who won two Nobel Prizes. I had to adjust the points on his car, a Ford station wagon, and advise him on which wire in an AC system was ground (the green one). Albert Einstein, to his credit, never learned how to drive a car.
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At start up at the end of the video, sounds like it is only running on 3 cylinders and this guy is claiming victory.

I like how he says "sounds great"
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Brent, You are one of the smartest and most educated persons I know, with regards to the Model A. You have a sixth sense when it comes to mechanical things. Many of the Model A owners are blessed with similar abilities.

However, there are many people in this world who do not have mechanical or electrical abilities and should not be allowed near a Model A under repair. That does not mean that those people are bad or somehow not human. They may be fantastic cooks or have a PhD in physics.

I think the correct thing to do is to point out those video's that are providing wrong or harmful information and refrain from criticizing the people who made them. You did point out the video and you did talk about how the information was wrong. Good for you.

Many many years ago I worked for Dr. Linus Pauling, a renowned scientist who won two Nobel Prizes. I had to adjust the points on his car, a Ford station wagon, and advise him on which wire in an AC system was ground (the green one). Albert Einstein, to his credit, never learned how to drive a car.

Thank you for the kind comment Neil but there is also a saying about 'A Wise Man Knows what he Doesn't Know!". Maybe that should have applied to this man?? As mentioned above, this man has basically mislead a hundred thirty something people based on the amount of people who 'Liked' that video, ...and no telling how many more who just did not take the time to 'Like' that video.

Anymore, Social Media is absolutely full of misinformation on the repair or restoration of a Model-A. Awhile back, a well respected Model-A parts vendor posted publicly that about 80% of the information you read on the internet about Model-As is incorrect. What an accurate statement that seems to be!! And FWIW, one of the biggest 'Spreader' of false technical information that I have seen on the Facebook Model-A pages is actually a political figure within one of the National Clubs. Sometimes it is so sad that it almost becomes funny. Ohh well.........
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Anymore, Social Media is absolutely full of misinformation on the repair or restoration of a Model-A. Awhile back, a well respected Model-A parts vendor posted publicly that about 80% of the information you read on the internet about Model-As is incorrect.
I'm not sure that is limited to Model As. Seems to me that a significant portion of what you read on the internet about pretty much anything is crap.
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Watched most of his video, until finally realizing what his actual point was; he should have shortened the video (drastically), and changed its title to:
"Nu-Rex sent me a defective wrench".

Wouldn't have taken more than 30s to a minute to just get to the point, instead of meandering around for almost fourteen minutes.


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Watched most of his video, until finally realizing what his actual point was; he should have shortened the video (drastically), and changed its title to:
"Nu-Rex sent me a defective wrench".

Thinking about a couple of points to your theory;

A) We are assuming that the Nu-Rex Wrench was indeed brand new and actually defective.

B) It has the look to me as if the tang was sheared-off due to excessive force from someone who did not know what they were doing.


I suspect the wrench was used based on the shiny-ness (-or lack thereof) of it, so it could have been damaged before he received it. If it was indeed brand new, why not just call Nu-Rex directly and send a picture describing what was wrong. If it truly was new and defective, logic would suggest they would have sent a replacement immediately. At that point, the topic likely would have been much different.
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Thinking about a couple of points to your theory;

A) We are assuming that the Nu-Rex Wrench was indeed brand new and actually defective.

B) It has the look to me as if the tang was sheared-off due to excessive force from someone who did not know what they were doing.


I suspect the wrench was used based on the shiny-ness (-or lack thereof) of it, so it could have been damaged before he received it. If it was indeed brand new, why not just call Nu-Rex directly and send a picture describing what was wrong. If it truly was new and defective, logic would suggest they would have sent a replacement immediately. At that point, the topic likely would have been much different.

Concur that the tang definitely looks to have been partially sheared off/smaller than it should be - but my assessment (defective wrench) is based on the position of the tang itself - on a "good" wrench (i.e. based on the photo from Nu-Rex's website), the tang appears to be around the 4:30 o'clock positon, whereas the youtuber's wrench has a (much smaller) tang around the 1:30 o'clock position, 90 degrees off.
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That fuel line.....
I can't unsee this.
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I can't unsee this.
Fred, I thought the very same thing!! And that Cath Bottle turned fuel jug hanging on the R/S Windshield Stanchion!
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Katy in post #4 had the right answer. Why even us the Nu-Rex Wrench?
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Brent is right on target. It is one thing to do stupid. It is really stupid to make a bad video with bad information for the uninformed to work with.
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I really hope this guy isn't on Fordbarn and reading about his effort being reviewed.

A person's knowledge and abilities differ greatly among people, even on this forum. We have both ends of the talent and knowledge spectrum here. Who knows, he could be completely ignorant, or perhaps he's doing the best he can and trying to share his knowledge. We don't know which side he comes from.
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However, one should not put himself out as an instructor unless he is well versed in the material. There is a subtle but significant difference between “this is how it should be done” as opposed to “this is how I do it”.
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However, one should not put himself out as an instructor unless he is well versed in the material. There is a subtle but significant difference between “this is how it should be done” as opposed to “this is how I do it”.
Who said he did? His medium was you tube, yours is this forum. It’s an older video, perhaps he’s learned since then.

I’m not saying that guy or anyone here is wrong or right, just that we’re knocking him down pretty hard. We all started with no experience and knowledge on these cars, and this guy could be a valuable contributor here. We don’t know, because we never asked. Just jumped to conclusions.
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Who said he did? His medium was you tube, yours is this forum. It’s an older video, perhaps he’s learned since then.

I’m not saying that guy or anyone here is wrong or right, just that we’re knocking him down pretty hard. We all started with no experience and knowledge on these cars, and this guy could be a valuable contributor here. We don’t know, because we never asked. Just jumped to conclusions.
With all kindness and due respect to you, I am (-as you say) "knocking him down pretty hard" maybe because he kinda needs to be knocked down a little. Look at it positively, if he has learned since then, I would think he has the responsibility to either remove his video, -or make appropriate corrections as to not mislead viewers.

Without turning this political, it really comes across as this modern-day mindset of 'free speech' entitles folks were they can spew all levels of incorrect information without any ethics or responsibilities really needs to changed. Just because many others are doing it too really does not make it ok in many other's eyes.

And to your other point, if this guy is a valuable contributor here (-and I hope he is), I honestly would have no problem telling him to his face, or publicly explaining where and why he is wrong on so many levels with his video content. FWIW, I have been a member of Fordbarn since the early 1990s when Gus Stangeland invented it. For years, this forum was known for its factual information only. Even during the Shelley & Pete reign, it was understood that if someone didn't know the answer then they just didn't post a made-up opinion to someone's question. Then, it appeared this mindset started changing about 5-10 years ago where people would randomly post false info and then get hateful if you disagreed and even proved them wrong. This was not good for the hobby, and definitely wasted people's time & resources. Fortunately Ryan started banning people that would rather fight than just admit they were wrong. I also will quickly admit that Ryan scolded me several times too, so I wasn't immune to this but when you look around, it becomes blatantly obvious this forum has withstood the time and IMO is the best Model-A forum because you received honest and/or factual information here.
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At start up at the end of the video, sounds like it is only running on 3 cylinders and this guy is claiming victory.
Well ya, it is victory because originally it was running on one cylinder.
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There are way too many videos on how to time a model a on YouTube.
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His wrench is clearly ruined. It's a sharp point now and was a slot type of
protrusion when new.
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I really hope this guy isn't on Fordbarn and reading about his effort being reviewed.
I hope he is, maybe he'll smarten up.
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I watch almost no A videos,and very few others.I do look at some equipment repair videos,not for the how-to,but to see what I will be looking at once I remove stuff on top.I just replaced a hose on a Bobcat excavator,and saw exactly where it was located in the video.I only had to remove 6 hoses to get at it,instead of the whole dozen the book says.
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Speaking of videos, Does anyone know of a good video of replacing a rear axel? We have to do this and never done one before.
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Common sense isn't taught any any school that I've ever known about. Some are born with more than others. A lot of it is more of the school of hard knocks. A person has to learn to take information of unknown origin with a grain of salt and just let people be as they are. I've known people that are genius at some things but totally lost at other things. It's hard for some folks to put their ego aside and just listen to others on things that they truly need help with.
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Brent- I too have been on this board since the Gus days, when it pretty much grew out of the Dallas club's website, and through it's transitions ever since. It's still the one I visit more often than others that have come and gone since then.

I think we're not doing ourselves any service here by starting posts that are critical of other's abilities. If we were so concerned about accuracy, we'd start with this site. Most posts have multiple suggestions and opinions, many that contradict each other. We mostly let them stand as is, and get recorded that way. They're often pulled up and referenced well into the future through searches. Think of how many people never participate on the forum because they searched and found the right answer, which is probably wrong, or one of three different answers.

Why not make this a teaching moment for the forum and video poster? How should the information be corrected? What is Brent's method to timing? How do you address your own employees when they've made a mistake? Post about it on a forum? Publicly confront them and tell them why they're wrong on so many levels? Or do you take the employee aside and point out the mistake, and show them how to do it properly? Then end the lesson with "let me know if you have any questions".

It's easy to criticize and forget that we all live in a glass house. If we want to attract people to this site, and to this hobby, being outwardly critical is not the way to do that. I can't believe we have to discuss compassion and understanding of another person's perspective in a thread like this.
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I couldn't follow the guy's video more than about 45 seconds, I was getting sea sick the constant moving-around of the camera, was getting nauseous.................

I agree with Brent, a LOT of what I see on YT videos that these guys put out, and what they are doing, is down right dangerous

In the words of Bart Simpson.... Aye Carrumba.....
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That fuel line.....
I can't unsee this.
Scary if it was permanent but I think its temporary with a fuel container hanging off the windshield post.

Looks like he took out his frustrations after timing it 45 times on that poor wrench. Its also bent.
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I think it's comical that this thread is about You Tube videos and no mention of________

That tells a lot.
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I watch almost no A videos,and very few others.I do look at some equipment repair videos,not for the how-to,but to see what I will be looking at once I remove stuff on top.
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I read this online, and it’s undeniably true:
“First Facebook, and now YouTube, Instagram, and TikTok have so little valid content you’re better off ignoring them altogether. - Abraham Lincoln
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David, one of my favorite quotes from Honest Abe thanks for posting
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I had a writing instructor years ago that would tell us a story about his early years.He started as a reporter for a newspaper,and everybody around would ride him hard about the smallest mistakes.He was about to quit,when his boss sat him down for a talk.He was told that if he was going to write articles for consumption by the general public,they HAD to be correct in every way.Punctuation,grammar,spelling,syntax,sentence structure,nuances,focus,etc.A reader of his stories should NEVER,EVER,read a story with anything incorrect in it.He was told,you are a schoolteacher,whether you like it or not,and readers are going to take whatever you write as correct.Do not affix incorrectness in their minds. He took that advice to heart,and preached it to his students when he took up teaching after becoming too disabled to report in the field.He said putting out incorrectness to the general public should not be allowed to stand.I just watched a video on how to wind the string on a weed whacker,I think that one may have been made as a joke.Not ONE thing in it was correct.
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Hopefully the videos that I've put out on Model As have been helpfull to some. Hookemfair Garage

Whenever someone takes the time to teach me something I listen. Clem Clements, Rock hill Will,Brent,James Rogers,Buddy Frazier, Ed Case, John Cannon just to name a few.
I'm also lucky that a Big collection of original cars,parts and krw tools are just a couple miles up the street. I'll admit, I still can't tell the difference between 28 and 31 rear fenders, hood sides or closed car windshield frames.
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Wick, your videos are always very informative and well done.
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Thank you for the kind comment Neil but there is also a saying about 'A Wise Man Knows what he Doesn't Know!". Maybe that should have applied to this man?? As mentioned above, this man has basically mislead a hundred thirty something people based on the amount of people who 'Liked' that video, ...and no telling how many more who just did not take the time to 'Like' that video.

Anymore, Social Media is absolutely full of misinformation on the repair or restoration of a Model-A. Awhile back, a well respected Model-A parts vendor posted publicly that about 80% of the information you read on the internet about Model-As is incorrect. What an accurate statement that seems to be!! And FWIW, one of the biggest 'Spreader' of false technical information that I have seen on the Facebook Model-A pages is actually a political figure within one of the National Clubs. Sometimes it is so sad that it almost becomes funny. Ohh well.........

Brent, I agree with everything you have said about Model A YouTube videos. It was a big waste of time watching the video about the Nu-Rex wrench, but the poster got paid because I watched it. 

YouTube posters get paid for every view and this has become a source of income for many. For those who produce large quantities of YouTube videos, it seems that the number of YouTube videos is more important than the technical content which is often wrong, sometimes slanderous, and many times just stupid.
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Just set the timing the Ford way, simple and easy, no special tool(s) needed. Been doing it that way for well over 60 years and never had a problem. No need to waste time watching videos.

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YouTube posters get paid for every view and this has become a source of income for many.
This is correct, but just to give some perspective... My channel has, as of today, about 1,300 subscribers and my videos get about 5,000 views a month. That brings in about $25/month in income from YouTube. It's not nothing, but it's also not enough that it would motivate me to spend time making videos beyond those that I feel personally moved to make. In fact, right now it's not even my top source of Model A-related income.

Of course I'm not selling merch or taking donations, which would improve that revenue stream, but then those have their own expenses – and almost no one in this micro-niche is doing that. So yes, we get paid, but I would not call it a notable source of income for "many," at least not among those doing technical Model A content.
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Of course I'm not selling merch or taking donations, which would improve that revenue stream, but then those have their own expenses – and almost no one in this micro-niche is doing that. So yes, we get paid, but I would not call it a notable source of income for "many," at least not among those doing technical Model A content.
Good point. Even with those additional sources, the cost to purchase the products used to make a video are still not covered. Unless you're in the 1 million + subscriber club (very rare air up there), it is not profitable. Especially not in the micro niche of a car made for only 4 years, nearly 100 years ago.

Terry and others seem to be under the impression that a YouTube creator makes money from every view. That is not true. When YouTube puts ads on videos, and the viewer watches through the ads, there is a fraction of a cent earned by YouTube (Google) and they share some of that revenue with the creator, if they are signed up for AdSense. If not, then the creator makes nothing.

I remind you- ANYONE can press "record" on their smartyphone and record video. Then, ANYONE can upload that video to YouTube. And, it appears, anyone can then go on a web forum and rip that person apart for sharing something they learned.
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Well I’ve been a wondering bout tubing, learned reading here, sometimes I’ll watch for giggles or just to see how others go about an operation, then I usually just go and get it done !
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PS. Do you have a video on replacing the rear axle. It would be the left side standing in front of the car.
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To replace either axle, the left side housing (driver's side) has to first be removed. Then the axles and differential can be slid out as a unit and worked on. Remove only the left side, or you run the risk as a first-timer of putting the axles back in from the wrong side. That results in three gears in reverse and one forward. Lots of guys have done that. Mark with a center punch how the differential carriers are mated to each other before unbolting them, which is what you'll have to do to replace either axle.
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This video proves why you should join a Model A Club! I'm going on 50 years with my club.LRF
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This is correct, but just to give some perspective... My channel has, as of today, about 1,300 subscribers and my videos get about 5,000 views a month. That brings in about $25/month in income from YouTube. It's not nothing, but it's also not enough that it would motivate me to spend time making videos beyond those that I feel personally moved to make. In fact, right now it's not even my top source of Model A-related income.

Of course I'm not selling merch or taking donations, which would improve that revenue stream, but then those have their own expenses – and almost no one in this micro-niche is doing that. So yes, we get paid, but I would not call it a notable source of income for "many," at least not among those doing technical Model A content.
Interesting, I often wondered how much people got paid.
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This is correct, but just to give some perspective... My channel has, as of today, about 1,300 subscribers and my videos get about 5,000 views a month. That brings in about $25/month in income from YouTube. It's not nothing, but it's also not enough that it would motivate me to spend time making videos beyond those that I feel personally moved to make. In fact, right now it's not even my top source of Model A-related income.

Of course I'm not selling merch or taking donations, which would improve that revenue stream, but then those have their own expenses – and almost no one in this micro-niche is doing that. So yes, we get paid, but I would not call it a notable source of income for "many," at least not among those doing technical Model A content.
Adding to Colins thoughts, Patreon is definitely your friend when it comes receiving revenue for content. A couple hundred Patrons each month giving $5 ea. to support the channel adds up quickly. I know of someone who has around 4k Patrons that generates well over $100k annually. Then there is the world of being an Influencer with your channel which is a whole new topic.
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Adding to Colins thoughts, Patreon is definitely your friend when it comes receiving revenue for content. A couple hundred Patrons each month giving $5 ea. to support the channel adds up quickly. I know of someone who has around 4k Patrons that generates well over $100k annually. Then there is the world of being an Influencer with your channel which is a whole new topic.

Patreon would be a good option if you really want to make a commitment to being a creator. Terrible for me since I sometimes go a year btw videos.
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To replace either axle, the left side housing (driver's side) has to first be removed. Then the axles and differential can be slid out as a unit and worked on. Remove only the left side, or you run the risk as a first-timer of putting the axles back in from the wrong side. That results in three gears in reverse and one forward. Lots of guys have done that. Mark with a center punch how the differential carriers are mated to each other before unbolting them, which is what you'll have to do to replace either axle.
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Thanks Marshall as this helps alot. I guess Paul doesn't have a video on this.
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I definitely agree.

I have been setting the timing on our coupe since 1957. Quite a few years before a complete rebuild and more than 59 after the the rebuild.

I use the dimple, but verify TDC by removing the number one plug use my index finger to feel the piston reach the correct spot. Of course, using a socket wrench to turn the crank.

I also maintain the specified rotor to cap electrode gap as well as the point and plug gaps.

Very smooth running does not overheat, even in the summer and no back firing.

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This video proves why you should join a Model A Club! I'm going on 50 years with my club.LRF
To be honest, reading through this thread is what turns me, and many others off from joining the clubs. Poor guy makes a video, does not know what he is doing (like many new people) and instantly gets roasted for it.
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If i was a new owner and was trying to learn how to work on my A and wasted time or damaged something following a misinformed video, I would be pretty angry. I have belonged to two clubs and it is easy to tell very quickly who the other members respect and you can ask and learn from. With poor/wrong videos, a new guy could have a tough time seeing that is in error. With hands-on from a respected person, you can see how easy it is to time the dizzy properly, for instance.
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I have belonged to two clubs and it is easy to tell very quickly who the other members respect and you can ask and learn from. With poor/wrong videos, a new guy could have a tough time seeing that is in error.
Web forums are even harder to tell because everyone tries to come off as the expert. At least on video, you can tell by a few factors-

1. Is the presenter bumbling around or confident and look like they know what they are doing?

2. When the repair is complete, and they demonstrate the operation, does it work? How does it sound/operate?

3. Subscriber count can also tell you if viewers are confident in that presenter.

4. If they have several videos, you can watch another and see if this is their area of expertise or not.
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Here is my take on the video-and I am no expert by any stretch of the imagination. I got nauseous from all of the camera movements as well, but I think both Terry is right and wrong. Overall, I agree with Terry it was a bad video.

Yes he probably should not have posted a video with misleading info (he did have the book on how to time the car) due to a broken Nu-Rex wrench. That is on him, trying to time the car 50 times is on him as well. He should have stopped and reconsidered his steps-I mean 50 times? He probably should have done some more research as there is plenty out there now-including the owners manual.

On the other hand, he just may not know any better. So people should try to instruct him on doing things the right way. If that does not work and he rejects the info that is on him and people should place those comments in the appropriate place. That way people hopefully will read them and steer clear of his video. And yes he should replace the video with correct info (assuming he is still on YT). There are plenty of people who overestimate their abilities with wrenches-even me sometimes. There are also people who should never touch a wrench-I have seen them as well.

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Here is my take on the video-and I am no expert by any stretch of the imagination. I got nauseous from all of the camera movements as well, but I think both Terry is right and wrong. Overall, I agree with Terry it was a bad video.

Yes he probably should not have posted a video with misleading info (he did have the book on how to time the car) due to a broken Nu-Rex wrench. That is on him, trying to time the car 50 times is on him as well. He should have stopped and reconsidered his steps-I mean 50 times? He probably should have done some more research as there is plenty out there now-including the owners manual.

On the other hand, he just may not know any better. So people should try to instruct him on doing things the right way. If that does not work and he rejects the info that is on him and people should place those comments in the appropriate place. That way people hopefully will read them and steer clear of his video. And yes he should replace the video with correct info (assuming he is still on YT). There are plenty of people who overestimate their abilities with wrenches-even me sometimes. There are also people who should never touch a wrench-I have seen them as well.

Just my 1.5 cents worth of opinion.

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Mike, if he did not know any better, he should not be posting instructional videos. Over-estimating our capabilities is one thing, but misleading others due to not being knowledgeable is unacceptable ...especially when the video is intended as a 'how to' instructional video.


One other thought on this. I find it interesting where a hobbyist might abstain from joining a local Model-A club because there is the potential where a club member might 'roast a newbie' yet that hobbyist might participate in a social media setting that has a great amount of misinformation and mis-guided opinions being given by 'Keyboard Warriors' who generally have no real-world experience in what they are writing or giving advice on. Then when an experienced hobbyists offers information that disagrees with the 'warrior's' writings, they often bash or flame the experienced hobbyist to protect their own ego.
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Mike, if he did not know any better, he should not be posting instructional videos. Over-estimating our capabilities is one thing, but misleading others due to not being knowledgeable is unacceptable ...especially when the video is intended as a 'how to' instructional video. <snip>
Absolutely agree!
For the video in question, the Youtuber obviously knew that he had a defective wrench (eventually) - so pretty much EVERYTHING else in the video was a waste of time...why talk for 13+ minutes about all the steps and troubleshooting he went through (including, apparently, trying to do the same thing over and over again 45 times), when it all boiled down to that he had a defective wrench that would set the distributor cam off by 90 degrees?

He could have made a nice informational video about two minutes in length, along the lines of: "Hey folks, beware - the Nu-Rex wrench I received was defective, and if used will make the distributor cam off by 90 degrees. So if you're buying one of these, inspect it first and don't waste alot of time (like I did) trying to set your timing."

Said video should also have shown the defective wrench side-by-side with a good one, so folks can see the difference.


Given what he actually posted, I don't know if folks watching it will even realize the main point (that his wrench is defective), and instead walk away with questionable instructions on how to set timing, or that you can't trust the Nu-Rex wrench at all.
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Mike, if he did not know any better, he should not be posting instructional videos. Over-estimating our capabilities is one thing, but misleading others due to not being knowledgeable is unacceptable ...especially when the video is intended as a 'how to' instructional video.


One other thought on this. I find it interesting where a hobbyist might abstain from joining a local Model-A club because there is the potential where a club member might 'roast a newbie' yet that hobbyist might participate in a social media setting that has a great amount of misinformation and mis-guided opinions being given by 'Keyboard Warriors' who generally have no real-world experience in what they are writing or giving advice on. Then when an experienced hobbyists offers information that disagrees with the 'warrior's' writings, they often bash or flame the experienced hobbyist to protect their own ego.
Oh the irony in your comments!

Again, we're in this hobby together. National clubs, local clubs, parts suppliers; we're all in this for the same common interest. The hobby does not benefit when we tear each other down and insult someone's knowledge.

Four pages later, did anyone reach out to the guy who made the video and offer to help him? Has anyone invited him to this site so he can perhaps gain or even share his knowledge? Maybe he made the video for his personal use as satire. We don't know.
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<snip>Maybe he made the video for his personal use as satire. We don't know.
In his own words (from the comments section on his video):
"When I bought the wrench I had no idea how it looked or how it worked. It came in defective, it's a simple piece and should have been caught at production. I made the video because it didn't work. All is well now and they sent me a new wrench, no problem. Thank you Nuwrench."
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The title of the video is "HELP!! NU-REX WRENCH FAIL!!! MODEL A FORD WIZARD NEEDED!!!" I copied and paste that, so it is in all caps because that is how the video creator wrote it. He is clearly asking for help. He never once said he was an expert or an authority of anything.

So, I reached out to the guy and offered some real help. Did anyone else? Or am I the only one who is offering any actual help for this guy?

Thank you Brent for starting this thread so this poor guy could (eventually) get some actual help.
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Old 06-20-2024, 09:17 PM   #67
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Well, here's a twist- I commented on his video offering help and how to find me. The comment was deleted a couple hours later.
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Old 06-20-2024, 10:00 PM   #68
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Well, here's a twist- I commented on his video offering help and how to find me. The comment was deleted a couple hours later.

Wow. I wouldn’t have expected that ending.


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Old 06-20-2024, 10:36 PM   #69
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Well, here's a twist- I commented on his video offering help and how to find me. The comment was deleted a couple hours later.
I emailed earlier and the email bounced back undeliverable. Perhaps he’s amongst us now and is aware of the attention this posting has created.
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Thank you Brent for starting this thread so this poor guy could (eventually) get some actual help.
So now what do we do about the other 6,129(+/-) YouTube Model-A videos whose content providers need actual help with their Model-As too??
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Old 06-21-2024, 10:20 AM   #71
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So now what do we do about the other 6,129(+/-) YouTube Model-A videos whose content providers need actual help with their Model-As too??
When they ask, I help. If I never find out they exist, well...

May I please humbly suggest that when a FordBarn member stumbles across something like this, they try to help the person. Calling out that they should never post a video is not helping. Despite the freedom of speech implications, it is plain mean to tell someone they should have never posted a video when it is everyone's right to do so. FordBarn is not who decides who gets to post a YT video or not. Especially when the video is clearly asking for help. Lots of bashing happens here. Some people here are truly helpful, and that is what should happen every time.

Despite being a YouTube content creator, I don't watch much YouTube. Full time job, family, church, volunteering, MAFCA board stuff, working on Model As, etc. No time.
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Old 06-21-2024, 10:24 AM   #72
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I guess in summary, it all comes back to just doing it the way Ford originally instructed, without trying to re-invent the wheel.

No need for special tools, or gauges, or timing lights. Keep it simple.

Marco Tahtaras had the best instructional post on his web site, how to do this job, and it pretty much was exactly how Ford said to do it in their owner's manual

Here is Marco's instructions...

https://web.archive.org/web/20190208...hop/timing.htm
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Old 06-21-2024, 11:12 AM   #73
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To be fair, the YouTuber DID know exactly what was wrong (he successfully troubleshooted the problem, and really didn't need help)...if you watch his video from about the 8 to 11 minute mark, he covers:
- the wrench is defective (and sets the timing wrong)

- how to set timing the Ford way (from Victor Page's Blue Book, pages 310-312)


If one were to just watch just those three minutes, and skip the first eight minutes, then all the pertinent information is covered.
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