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Old 06-15-2024, 12:41 PM   #1
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Default Difference between 47 & 48 F1 steering box

Trying to find out what the differences are between those two years of pick up boxes. If any. Thanks
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Old 06-15-2024, 07:35 PM   #2
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I wouldn't mind hearing that myself.
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Old 06-16-2024, 06:56 PM   #3
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'47 is cross steer like the '35-'48 cars and the '48 F-1 is side steer like the '28-'34 cars.
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Old 06-16-2024, 07:14 PM   #4
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1942-47 commercial are not cross steer.
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Old 06-16-2024, 09:59 PM   #5
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If 'commercial' means 1/2 ton pickup (in '42-'47 the F1 designation wasn't used) and we are comparing to a '48 F1, which is also a 1/2 ton pickup, I can attest to the fact that the '47 1/2 ton has a cross steer steering box. The '47 one ton pickup uses the same box as I have interchanged them. I can't claim to know what the '48 uses. I have the front half of a 2 ton '47 frame on my other lot with a steering box on it. I think it might use a longitudinal or 'fore and aft' arm.
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Old 06-16-2024, 11:14 PM   #6
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What's "commercial"?

Chuck Sea/Tac was asking about pick-up steering boxes.

Something else interesting is that the insides of the boxes are the same.

A good '37-'48 cross steer box can be a donor for the more in demand (and usually worn) side steer F-1 box.
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Old 06-17-2024, 12:08 AM   #7
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I was refering to post 4 above. I have owned perhaps as many as 23 ford trucks '28-'51 but have always refered to them as 1/2 ton, 3/4 ton, 1 ton and 1 1/2 tons. It is my understanding that ford referred to the half tons a 'commercials' and the larger as 'Trucks'. It can get confusing and I am not even clear on the details. All I was saying I knew was that I have only owned two half ton pickups ever, having prefered the heavier models, but both half tons are still here. and they both have cross steer. If the steering box guts are the same for the '48, that's all good. Unfortunately the Green Bible only goes to '47 so I can't identify part numbers crossing with '48 part numbwers, besides, my wife tidyed up my space and I cant find the green bible anyways. Hoping someone in tune with these steering boxes can tune in and help you out.
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Old 06-17-2024, 10:05 AM   #8
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I stand corrected in post #4, GB is correct. I was looking at a truck diagram.
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I was refering to post 4 above. It is my understanding that ford referred to the half tons as 'commercials' and the larger as 'Trucks'.
Sorry; wasn't referring to your post; but the previous one, should have tagged it.

I too always heard the designations being that "commercials" were light and "trucks" were big ones.
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Why reinvent the wheel and create a unique definition of commercial vehicles when Ford already did that for you? It's simple. If it had a 112" wheelbase, it was a "commercial" vehicle (or passenger car). Anything with a longer wheelbase was a "truck"
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Old 06-17-2024, 02:24 PM   #11
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In some cases and especially with early vehicles, the sedan delivery models were considered to be commercial models by Ford but they tended to list them separately in the parts catalogs so there would be no confusion. When The station wagons and sedan delivery models started to share the same body planform then they had to list them that way. The first F series were Bonus Built models starting in 1948 since Ford was ready to produce them that year so the 8BA was born. They weren't ready for the cars till 1949 due to design approval delays. They produced both 59 series and 8BA series motors in 1948. The light duty pickup was always considered to be a commercial vehicle even though they were sold to the masses. The Bonus Built trucks pretty well stopped the use of the Commercial Vehicle as a reference for owners but the parts made for the light duty pickup only still carried a C designation. The parts catalogs kept these designations clear up to 1956 or so. They are listed in the front of the parts books to quickly identify the various different configurations of the Ford trucks.
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