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Old 01-06-2012, 03:30 PM   #1
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Working from home certainly has its benefits, not the least of which is, I get to work/play in the garage on my lunch hour… As you know, if you read my postings, the Zephyr developed a knocking noise coming from the transmission a week or so ago. My worst fear is that something in the transmission let go however, upon closer inspection, I don’t think that is the case. I’m hoping that the problem lies in the clutch and its related parts. At lunch, I started to disassemble the interior so that we could take a good look. I got everything out, that needed to come out, to give access to the transmission.

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I got the car up on the lift and that’s as far as I got.

Tomorrow Mike, Don and maybe a few other “Barner’s” are coming over to work/play so I hope we’ll at least be able to isolate and identify the problem.
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Check out the throw out bearing, spring etc.Pete/Ct
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The Throw out bearing spring can be checked through the small vented cover and you can see inside of it.

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I got the inspection cover off and the phone started ringing so I haven't had a chance to do anything else. Think I'll just wait till tomorrow before I get back into it.
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If you do this tomorrow and you need help call me on my cell phone ( 602 ) 7231047 and I can help you .

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Thanks Frenchy, I appreciate that. I put a clutch in the Zephyr around 8 or 9 years ago but, like most of us, I suffer from bouts of CRS more and more these days. Vic
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What's that yaller thing in the background? Don't look like no Ford or Studebaker! Heck- don't even look American!
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Wow! I don't think I have ever seen a Liicoln transmission before. A whole different horse....

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What's that yaller thing in the background? Don't look like no Ford or Studebaker! Heck- don't even look American!
Pete, that's a '68 Jag XKE Series 1.5 that my dad bought new. I pulled the gas tank out to clean it. The car needs brakes, etc. before I brought it down to Florida (unbeknownst to me) my dad had let it sit in an old chicken coop for several years so it now needs an interior and top as well. Here's another photo of it.
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Wow! I don't think I have ever seen a Liicoln transmission before. A whole different horse....

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Shadetree, that transmission with the side mounted "top loader" was used in the '38 & '39 LZ only however, the gears are the same as the '39 Ford.
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The first thing I would do is raise the back of the car and have it on jack stands than start it up and slowly put it in gear and bring up the RPM and see if you can hear the noise while you are inside the car to possibly identify where it maybe coming from. Let us know.

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Tomorrow Mike, Don and maybe a few other “Barner’s” are coming over to work/play.
In my neighborhood we say we're getting together to "play cars" just like we did when we were kids only the cars are bigger now.
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That's a great transmission!
I had one in a '40 coupe 50 years ago.
Now I have one in another '40 coupe.
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Nice convertible Vic, that would be a nice addition to my 4 door !

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All car makers made beautiful cars in the '30s.
Those Lincolns are a good example.
Look at the crap they're putting out now.
They seem to be in competition to make the ugliest car!
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Rockey, your '39 is really good looking. Hopefully our '39 will look as good someday soon. Vic
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Today’s Fun in the Garage
Mike, Don, John and Cliff came over to give me a hand with the Zephyr.

After some troubleshooting, we decided that the noise was not coming from the gearbox but instead it was coming from the bell housing, clutch, etc. area.

Mike got in the car and John went underneath to disconnect the torque tube from the transmission


We got ready to lower the rear and discovered that the spring would not clear the cross member without the help of a spring spreader, which we did not have.

So, we decided that it was time for pizza and that we would continue next Saturday.
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Will there be pizza next Saturday?
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Pizza is as much a part of our Saturday play time as tools. Will you be down in the Sunshine State next week, if so; should we make a place at the table for you?
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Pizza is as much a part of our Saturday play time as tools. Will you be down in the Sunshine State next week, if so; should we make a place at the table for you?
Yep, I'll bring my work clothes too so I can help out.
Looking forward to seeing you boys again.
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Looking forward to seeing you boys again.
Excellent! Looking forward to seeing you as well.
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can i come too?
There's always room for one more...
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A Shocking Revelation.
While disassembling the rear of the ’39 LZ I took a close look at the original “knee action” shocks and determined that they need to be rebuilt. A quick call to Bill Wzorek and I had a solution to the problem. As luck would have it, Bill had a pair of Zephyr rear shocks in stock so, they are on their way. If you need original “knee action” shocks rebuilt I would give Bill a call or contact him through the web sites. I don’t want to post his phone number without asking first but, if any of you want it, send me a pm and I’ll give it to you.
Thanks Bill, I really appreciate your help.
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So about what time do folks start showing up AND is one of those folks going to be your local car pal Henry Floored by chance?
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Not sure which I like better. That Jag is pretty cool!

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So about what time do folks start showing up AND is one of those folks going to be your local car pal Henry Floored by chance?
They usually start rollin' in around 9:30 to 10:00am and Mike (Henry Floored) will be here.
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Not sure which I like better. That Jag is pretty cool!

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Tim, I know how you feel, I like them all, and the Jag has been in my family from '68 when my dad bought it new.
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Vic,
I've always found it easier to pull the engine then the transmission. How much time does it save to drop the rear?
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It's a double edged sward in this case, I have a Columbia rear that I want to install in the Zephyr so, I’m hoping to do that once we get the transmission problem solved. Also, the Zephyr is a unit-body construction meaning that the inner fenders are welded to the cowl and frame as is the body, making it difficult, to say the least, to pull the engine. We pulled the radiator to have it repaired and it took three of us to jockey it out and back in again. In this case, I think pulling the rear is the lesser of two evils.
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Ok.I understand. It's very different then the Ford.
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Our '39 Ford is completely different from the '39 Lincoln Zephyr in terms of construction. I never knew how the zephyr was built until I got this one.
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I'd love to come over & help out, but I reckon the pizza would be well & truly gone by the time I turned up !!
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I'd love to come over & help out, but I reckon the pizza would be well & truly gone by the time I turned up !!
Nope, they never run out of pizza
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that rear schould be done on the floor it,s much ezer
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that rear schould be done on the floor it,s much ezer
I've had the pleasure of removing Ford rears a number of times over the years and believe me, getting it apart and ready for removal while it is up on the lift is a lot easier, and more fun, than working under the car laying on the floor. When the rear is ready to come out, we'll drop the lift so we can slide the rear out from under the car.
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Vic, would you pass the word to your car pals that will be there on Saturday that I'm looking for old races, bearing, gears, flexplates, metal fan blades, anything round. I'm also interested in old flathead heads. Nothing good, I'm looking at scraps bits, pieces and parts to make yard art. I've been a welding fool lately. Thanks bud!
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Vic, would you pass the word to your car pals that will be there on Saturday that I'm looking for old races, bearing, gears, flexplates, metal fan blades, anything round. I'm also interested in old flathead heads. Nothing good, I'm looking at scraps bits, pieces and parts to make yard art. I've been a welding fool lately. Thanks bud!
Denise, I've got a garage full of Flathead "yard art" and you are welcome to dig through it. I'll also let the guys know that you are on the hunt for goodies. See you Saturday. Vic
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Tim, I know how you feel, I like them all, and the Jag has been in my family from '68 when my dad bought it new.

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I like the Jag even more after hearing the back story. That's awesome! Enjoy.

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Denise, I've got a garage full of Flathead "yard art" and you are welcome to dig through it. I'll also let the guys know that you are on the hunt for goodies. See you Saturday. Vic
Youa re such a sweetheart! I don't care what your wife says.
Tell the guys to come hungry as I'm bringing donuts and/or bagels.
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Donuts and/or bagels... You've stolen my heart...!
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Well, today was the day to pull the rear, etc. out of the '39 Zephyr. Dense, the Hot Rod Lady Cruiser was a little late getting to the party but, Mike, Don, John, Steve and Pete were all hear to lend a hand. I can't post any of the photos that we took because my computer crashed last week and the Wizards have not fixed it yet so, I'll try and do the best I can without pictorial assistance. We got the rear free while the car was up in the air on the lift. Once we knew we could roll it out from under the car I lowered the lift and we pulled the rear assembly out and away from the car. We put the car back in the air and using both a bottle jack to brace the bell housing and the transmission jack to lift the transmission (the '39 Zephyr transmission has to be removed from inside the car as the wishbone and cross member are in the way) we were able to free the transmission and check the clutch, pressure plate, etc. What we found, much to my chagrin was that the "noise" was in fact coming from the transmission. We pulled the side cover only to see that the cluster gear was missing several teeth. We stuck a magnet into the transmission case and started pulling out broken chunks... Oh well, stuff happens and you just have to deal with it. Now, it was time for pizza. Don and John had other obligations so they had to depart prior to our repast. Denise, Mike, Steve, Chuck and I climbed into my '39 CS and took off to get the pizza. It has been unseasonably cool (heck, its COLD) her for the last few days so, rather than dine alfresco, we decided to bring the pizza and soda back to the garage. All in all we had another fun day and we were all really glad to see Denise. Maybe the Wizards will have my computer back up and running in a few days, if so, I'll post some of the photos. Thanks again to all the guys and our special guest. Vic
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Denise, I just remembered, you forgot to pick up some "yard art"... Thanks for playing yesterday, hope to see you again soon, maybe we'll all take a road trip to the Motor City in the summer. Vic
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Yesterday, at lunch, I pulled the drums off the Zephyr rear axle and removed the brake shoes and related parts, also disconnected the parking (emergency) brake cables. Today, time permitting, I hope to remove the backing plates and start cleaning out the transmission to ready it for disassembly. The fun never ends...
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Vic, thanks so much for the warm hospitality. I really enjoyed my visit and the pizza was so delicious, thanks! I'm happy to see the house coming along and that my guest room will be ready soon! Lol

As far as the old parts go keep'um for me and either bring them north when you come? Or mike can bring them or maybe I'll see if my parents are going to be in your neighborhood this winter.
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Denise, thank you for joining us for the Saturday garage playtime. I hope you're feeling better and planning on coming back soon. Vic
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Well, I'm still without my office computer, making it impossible to post photos, to embellish my verbiage, with regard to the '39 LZ's transmission troubles. Saturday Mike and Don came over and we completely disassembled the transmission, revealing several other potential problems. Consensus, to completely rebuild the unit. I spent the better part of Sunday afternoon cleaning 72 years worth of caked on grease, etc. off of the transmission case and related parts. I painted the case and shift cover. Later today I'll start amassing all the necessary components for the rebuild. The fun just never ends...
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Fix it right the first time. No sense in repeating the work when you know there are issues.
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Well today was another fun day in the garage. Mike, Don, John, Steve and Rich came over to play. Steve drove his '46 Club Coupe over to swap out the front brake shoes so, while he, Mike and John worked on the '46 I got busy dismantling the Zephyr's rear end with some help from Don and Rich. Mike had driven his ’41 Business Coup over and it developed a leak in a heater hose on the trip so we spent a few minutes under the hood of the ’41. My computer is still not up to speed so once again I am without benefit of photos to enhance. Mike also took an inventory of what parts we'll need to replace in the LZ's transmission. I was able to free the dog bones from the rear shocks (thanks to a very handy tool that Bill Wzorek loaned to Steve) and I started working on prepping the Columbia rear to install once we rebuild the transmission. For the first time in a long time, we didn’t go for Pizza but we all had fun… As always, thanks to all my friends for coming out to play. Vic
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No PIZZA??? What is this world coming to???
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No PIZZA??? What is this world coming to???
I'm on a diet to get slim & trim for my daughter's wedding, the end of March however that is not the reason we skipped pizza... We were all just having too much fun playing in the old Ford/Lincoln grease. LOL
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Speaking of pizza, are those rear bones the same as '36 Ford?
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Speaking of pizza, are those rear bones the same as '36 Ford?
I'm not sure about that (don't have a '36 Ford) however, I can tell you that the "dog bones" on the Zephyr are longer than the ones on our '39 Ford and the Zephyr bones have the threaded rods on the same side, different from others I've seen. Vic
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Vic - If you need to replace the dogbones, I have an NOS pair that are too long for my '46. Measure up what you have and I'll see if the ones I have will help - if you're interested or in need. Henry
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Henry, thanks for the offer, the dog bones for the rear of the Zephyr measure six and a half inches and the threaded/tapered shafts are on the same side, not opposite sides. Please let me know if your parts are the same way. Thanks,

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Road Trip!
Today we went on a road trip in search of cars & parts. Mike drove his '41 Business Coupe, with a friend along for the ride, over to my place. The three of us climbed into my '39 Convertible Sedan and took off for Sarasota to check out a non-Ford that Mike was interested in. The weather at 8:45 am was just cool enough to wear a long sleeved shirt and keep the top and windows up for the ride south. Once we got to Sarasota (aprox. 100 miles), I put the top down while Mike went for a test drive in the non-Ford. After a short deliberation Mike opted not to make the purchase so, after Mike treated us to lunch, we took of for St.Pete (where a friend of ours has a nice stash of parts) to look for a good main shaft for the '39 Zephyr transmission. I was lucky enough to find two that were in good to excellent condition. We left St.Pete and were headed to Oldsmar to help another friend but time was getting late and we all had other commitments so we headed back to my house.
I'll digress for a moment, my computer is back from the Wizards and I've been able to transfer photos of our exploits over the past several weekends to share with you. They are however in no chronological order but you'll get the gist of what has been going on.
Denise, the "Hot Rod Lady Cruiser" paid us a visit a few weeks ago when it was winter here in Tampa, along with Chuck and the usual group.












Hopefully we'll be able to start putting the transmission back together next weekend.
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She looks very happy in the back seat

I'll throw in a few of the many I took that day. I had a GREAT time that day. Sure wish I could have sayed longer. Actually wished I was retired and could hang out with you guys all winter long!













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Denise, you are welcome to hang out with us any time you like. Last Saturday Mike brought a friend of his over and we took a ride in the '39 CS to Sarasota and then to St. Pete where I picked up two main shafts for the '39 Zephyr transmission. The shafts were used but look to be in very good condition (see photo) and I got both for just $20.00. A little cleaning up and we'll assemble everything... Vic
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Yesterday I ordered the additional parts (we'll need to rebuild the Zephyr transmission) from Mac Van Pelt; they should be here in a few days. Tomorrow we'll continue cleaning the undercarriage (scrapping off 72 years worth of grease, oil, road grime, etc.) as well as prepping the Columbia with new brake lines. I'm hoping to have the Zephyr back on the road in time for the "Barner's Bash" from March 16th to 18th as I sure like to try out the Columbia on the ride up to Ocala from Tampa.
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Vic, I love the pics. Who's '46 coupe is that? It's a sharp car & I like the color. Dad & I have my grandpa's '46 business coupe to freshen up some day yet.
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Seth, Thanks, the '46 belongs to my friend Steve; it is a sharp looking and excellent running car. Vic
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Today we had a full house in the garage, Mike, Don, John, Cliff and Hall all came over to play. First we chased the threads and removed the remnants of the cotter pin on one of the axles on the Columbia then we disassembled the gears, etc. on the original main shaft and fitted everything onto the main shaft I got last week.




After the fun we went for Pizza as usual however, we were experiencing some northern style weather (it was very cool, temps in the 60's) so we didn't stay long. Next week we'll put the transmission back together and hopefully reinstall it in the Zephyr.
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I'm confused. Are you guys meeting weekly for pizza and just working on old cars to work up an appetite?!?
Just kidding. Keep up the good work and please keep us posted.
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Al, in order to maintain our stamina, to work on Flatheads, we need sustenance and Pepperoni Pizza covers most (if not all) of the necessary food groups... Hopefully next weeks pizza outing will be of a celebratory nature, providing we are able to reassemble and install the transmission in the Zephyr.
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Please save all the round useless bits for me. I can use them on my trellis that I'm making out of old car parts.
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Denise, I never throw any old car parts away... Next time you're down this way you'll have to take some of the "useless" stuff and repurpose it.
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The additional parts we need to finish rebuilding the '39 Zephyr transmission arrived from Mac Van Pelts the other day so, tomorrow we'll hopefully get everything back together and install the transmission. I just ordered two NOS "dog bones", for the rear shocks (that I got from Bill Wzorek), they should be here in a few days, that'll give me time to clean up the torque tube, finish painting the Columbia, etc. Did somebody say Pizza???
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Hope the pizza turns out well, oh and the '39 LZ too! Keep the pictures coming.
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Thanks Seth, I'll make sure to snap some photos of what I hope will be our progress tomorrow. Vic
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Today was the day to rebuild the ’39 Zephyr transmission. All the necessary parts had arrived (thanks to Mac Van Pelt),

Mike and Cliff got to my house just around 11:00am, I had been degreasing the undercarriage of the Zephyr and I was glad to come out from under it to help with the transmission. Here are a few photos of the assembly.






Apparently, no one makes a gasket for the shift cover on the ’38 & “39 Zephyr so we made our own out of a file folder…


It was getting close to 3:00pm and both Mike and Cliff had other commitments so, we went without Pizza… I was hoping to have the Zephyr back on the road in time for the “Barner’s Bash” but I won’t have time to play in the garage over the next few weekends, maybe at tech session on Sunday, March 18th before the BBQ…
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Today my lunch time project was to paint the Columbia. I got half of it done, (it's too heavy) for me to try and flip it over by myself while trying to place a packing blanket between it and the castor so as not to mess up any of the painted areas. I also got a few other parts cleaned, painted and ready for reassembly.
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Thats looks nice Vic.. Ken
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Today my lunch time project was to paint the Columbia. I got half of it done, (it's too heavy) for me to try and flip it over by myself while trying to place a packing blanket between it and the castor so as not to mess up any of the painted areas. I also got a few other parts cleaned, painted and ready for reassembly.
Aaawwww Vic. You give up too easily. LOL
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Vic, with all your tools, you don't have a hoist? I use my hoist for anything I can't lift, work smarter not harder the ol' man always said... get some strong rope use those Navy knots and get to work. Lookin' good keep on the good work, and cudo's to your buddy's that help out on the weekends, smart group of guys, oh yes I love that white lithium Grease, with a push of a button.
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Vic, with all your tools, you don't have a hoist? I use my hoist for anything I can't lift, work smarter not harder the ol' man always said... get some strong rope use those Navy knots and get to work. Lookin' good keep on the good work, and cudo's to your buddy's that help out on the weekends, smart group of guys, oh yes I love that white lithium Grease, with a push of a button.
I've got a "cherry picker" but it's got a Flathead hooked up to it at the moment. Tomorrow I'll see about flipping the Columbia over so I can finish painting. Thanks for the complement; I'm sure the guys will appreciate it as well. Vic
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Lawson, I didn't have enough time to work something out today... Like Scarlet O'Hara said "I'll think about it tomorrow" LOL Vic
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Thanks Ken, I appreciate that. Vic
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A little extra time for that paint to dry is a good thing. I love an excuse you can pass off as good planning.
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I'm with you on that...
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This morning I went out to the garage with the intention of flipping the Columbia over so I could finish painting it. I flipped it and had it resting on some bubble wrap. Started to paint and quickly ran out… And you guessed it… that was the last of the paint that I had. A quick trip up to the local auto parts store and the problem was solved. Now the Columbia is adorned in nice new paint.

Now I’ve got to get the backing plates, torque tub, etc. prepped and painted…
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It’s been a bit slow going the last few days as I haven’t had much time available to devote to the Zephyr I did however get one of the backing plates cleaned and painted…


I also was able to clean and paint a few related brake parts.
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Ok, here's a question for those in the know. I just received two NOS dog bones for the rear shocks on the Lincoln Zephyr. The NOS DB's measure 4" center to center which is what is listed in the LZ parts book however; the DB's I removed are 5" center to center.

There are no ID numbers on any of the DB's, so here's my question; what, if any difference will the shorter DB's make, and could it be that convertibles had the longer DB's to compensate for the weight difference? Thanks in advance for any help. Vic
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This morning I went out to the garage with the intention of flipping the Columbia over so I could finish painting it. I flipped it and had it resting on some bubble wrap. Started to paint and quickly ran out… And you guessed it… that was the last of the paint that I had. A quick trip up to the local auto parts store and the problem was solved. Now the Columbia is adorned in nice new paint.

Now I’ve got to get the backing plates, torque tub, etc. prepped and painted…
I've had a '39 Lincoln in the past and don't recall the axle housings being that terribly rough. Did Lincoln perhaps use a different casting process than Ford? DD
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I've had a '39 Lincoln in the past and don't recall the axle housings being that terribly rough. Did Lincoln perhaps use a different casting process than Ford? DD
Coopman, My '39 Zephyr coupe has smooth castings, just like all my '39 and '40 Ford axle housings. I can only go by that one but maybe the Lincoln convertibles were different???
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Think of it this way with the 4" link on the shock arm will have to come down.
now you have more travel up or in reality the body has more travel down.
Correct me if I am wrong you have a better chance of BOTTOMING OUT then going over a hill and having day lite under the rear wheel.( or maybe not after riding with you last time LOL LOL )
If the shock has no more movement to go up and the body still wants to come down !!!
Well you connect the dots ::::::: SOMIN GONA BRAKE

Long Story short My book also says 4" links.
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Bill, I found out that the 4" is correct for the '39 LZ. The 5" that I took out was a replacement part. Vic
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Kube & Coopman, I was wondering about the castings myself because the rear that came out of the '39 Zephyr and the rear in my '39 Ford CS are both smooth, as is the banjo on the Columbia. This Columbia came out of a '39 Zephyr Coupe...
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I did some research and found out that Columbia cast the axle housing for the conversion. Obviously Columbia was not as critical as Ford with the castings.
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I did some research and found out that Columbia cast the axle housing for the conversion. Obviously Columbia was not as critical as Ford with the castings.
Hmmm... now maybe I am confused. The Columbia housing you have looks decent. The Ford (Lincoln) housing is the one I was wondering about.

I went and looked again (memory isn't what it once was) and both housings on all my cars are smooth, even the Lincoln.
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Kube & Coopman, I was wondering about the castings myself because the rear that came out of the '39 Zephyr and the rear in my '39 Ford CS are both smooth, as is the banjo on the Columbia. This Columbia came out of a '39 Zephyr Coupe...
Hey Vic, If you wouldn't mind, I'd really appreciate you sharing with me the documentation you found that shows Columbia cast their own housings. I really enjoy that kind of stuff. It never occurred to me they (Columbia) would go to the expense. Rather, I figured the housings were supplied by Ford and simply modified by Columbia. I figured that as the Columbia housings all have the regular axle housing Ford part numbers cast on them.
I went out and looked at all the housings in my cars (Lincoln and Fords) and found all of them, including the unrestored cars to be smooth.
Might just be the photo but it looks like your Columbia housing is pretty decent. I was wondering about the Ford (Lincoln) axle housing.
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I would agree with you, I thought that Columbia only cast the housing that contained the overdrive. I Googled Columbia Axle Co. and found a bunch of info, but could not find anything from the actual Columbia Axle Co. that confirmed that they did the casting. I talked with John Connelly of Columbia two speed Parts, Inc. and he said that Columbia cast the axle housings for the conversion. It's obvious that the Columbia castings are not as nice (smooth) at the FoMoCo axles castings. There is a brass tag on the Columbia that I have with the following info stamped into it. 40-100A-52 No: 8070 Columbia Axle Co.
Apparently the 40 is the year of production and (according to John Connelly) they most likely were installed in late '39 Zephyrs (like cars, they were produced early). If someone ordered a new Zephyr, with a Columbia in '39, the factory installed the unit. Only Lincoln did this, if someone wanted a Columbia in a Ford or Mercury, the dealer did the installation. I'm going to continue my search and see if I can locate some original documentation from Columbia.
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I was talking about the axle housings - not the center section.
I agree with John in regard to the approval of Columbia's in Fords vs. Lincoln. In the Ford (1940) it was not authorized as many think.
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The center section (on the Columbia) is a Ford produced part, the axle housings, according to John, were produced by Columbia which would account for the difference in the finish (not as smooth as Ford built axle housings). However, the Columbia in your photo looks smooth as glass. Without actual documentation from Columbia (I’m still trying to find it), it will remain a mystery.
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Well, we didn't get anything done on the Zephyr this weekend, instead of working in the garage, we drive one of our non-Flatheads (the '63 Studebaker Avanti) down to Long boat Key for the weekend... We saw a beautiful ’55 Pontiac Convertible with a Continental Kit, a ’55 Chevy Two Door hard top and a ’40 Ford Coupe out on the road. I didn’t take a camera with me so, no photos. Vic
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The center section (on the Columbia) is a Ford produced part, the axle housings, according to John, were produced by Columbia which would account for the difference in the finish (not as smooth as Ford built axle housings). However, the Columbia in your photo looks smooth as glass. Without actual documentation from Columbia (I’m still trying to find it), it will remain a mystery.
After doing more checking it appears that Columbia did in fact modify the right FORD axle housing castings. That certainly explains the Ford casting numbers. The left housing required NO modification. That being the case, the left housing was simply re-used from the stock assembly.
The center section was a Columbia housing, produced by Columbia.
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When you say the center section, are you referring to the "banjo" or the housing for the Columbia gears? Also, the Zephyr (when ordered with a Columbia) had the unit installed at the factory so, could it be that (for the Zephyr) Columbia cast both sides and delivered it to Lincoln already assembled as a unit? That's just about the only thing that would explain the roughness of the castings...
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When you say the center section, are you referring to the "banjo" or the housing for the Columbia gears? The housing for the Columbia gears. Also, the Zephyr (when ordered with a Columbia) had the unit installed at the factory so, could it be that (for the Zephyr) Columbia cast both sides and delivered it to Lincoln already assembled as a unit? It appears Ford supplied Columbia with the requisite pieces (castings) and Columbia assembled them as a "unit". That's just about the only thing that would explain the roughness of the castings...
Are both axle housings the same "texture"?
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Yes they are, the center section "banjo" is smooth as is the complete stock rear axle that came out of the car. The axles on the Columbia are both "textured", not at all smooth.
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Pretty much LOOKS like the rust pits that I covered-up with spray bombs on my stuff forty-five years ago and called it "restored", before I knew the difference. DD
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Pretty much LOOKS like the rust pits that I covered-up with spray bombs on my stuff forty-five years ago and called it "restored", before I knew the difference. DD

Wow, it ONLY took you forty-five years to know the difference... Look a little closer at the photo I posted, if they really are "rust pits" wouldn't it stand to reason that the "banjo” as well as the spring perches would also be pitted...? Something more for you to ponder.
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In NJ is is not uncommon to find pits in the axle housings. NJ is damp in the summer and salt is used on the highways all winter long. The center sections are usually smooth because the oil leaked out of the housing and gave it a nice protective coating. The leaking oil also protected the ends of the axle housings from rust and it is not uncommon to have smooth areas on them.
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In NJ is is not uncommon to find pits in the axle housings. NJ is damp in the summer and salt is used on the highways all winter long. The center sections are usually smooth because the oil leaked out of the housing and gave it a nice protective coating. The leaking oil also protected the ends of the axle housings from rust and it is not uncommon to have smooth areas on them.
My first car was a '48 Ford TuDor (that I bought on Long Island, NY). It had lived its life on LI from new in '48. It was (and I think still is) common practice to "salt" the roads in the winter on LI. I owned several '30's and '40's vintage Flatheads while I lived there and never saw a rear that was as "textured" as the Columbia I have. The Zephyr was also a LI car from new and the rear we pulled out has a smooth finish as does our '39 Ford CS, also a LI car. It is a conundrum however, based on the limited information I've been able to obtain, I know for sure that the "Columbia" side of the axle was in fact made by Columbia, which may or may not account for the "textured" finish... Bottom line for me is this; I'm not too concerned with the outward appearance of the Columbia, I want the unit to function as it should because we plan to drive this car quite a bit and that includes some long road trips. She will not be a Trailer Queen.
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Vic, With due respect and to offer a bit of (obviously needed) clarification I's like to reiterate in part my earlier post:
The axle housings were not CAST by Columbia. Rather, the right housing was CAST by Ford and MODIFIED by Columbia.
Columbia did NOT cast axle housings. Period.

When I began to read this thread I initially became interested in the "texture" as I'd not seen that before on a "restored" assembly. It had not occurred to me that you would have painted over a pitted (rusted) housing as must surely be the only plausible explanation. That is the sole reason I inquired about the "texture" in the first place.

It was my mistake to assume. You know what is said about those that assume.
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Kube, Paint over rust (your assumption) that’s very funny… in fact, I prepped the entire assembly however; I did not grind it smooth as I'm not that anal and I want function over finish in this instance (I don’t build Trailer Queens), prior to priming and painting it. Further, I talked with John Connelly of Columbia two speed Parts, Inc., he said that Columbia cast the axle housings for the conversion (my assumption is that he is correct, while it is possible that he was only referring to the right axle housing being modified by Columbia, he did not clarify that). With all due respect, where did you get your information?
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Kube, Paint over rust (your assumption) that’s very funny… in fact, I prepped the entire assembly however; I did not grind it smooth as I'm not that anal and I want function over finish in this instance (I don’t build Trailer Queens), prior to priming and painting it. Further, I talked with John Connelly of Columbia two speed Parts, Inc., he said that Columbia cast the axle housings for the conversion (my assumption is that he is correct, while it is possible that he was only referring to the right axle housing being modified by Columbia, he did not clarify that). With all due respect, where did you get your information?
Sorry for any confusion I have apparently caused you. I didn't mean over rust but rather pitted housings. From personal experience, I know you went to a lot of trouble to build that differential up. It simply had not occurred to me that after all that effort you would not fill any pitting. Regardless, we know know the "story".
I think if you speak with John once again he will clarify what I have told you in regard to the housings. He knows me and knows the lengths I go to to research this type of thing.
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No confusion here, I never intended to smooth the axle as it is not visible unless you are under the car and, as I mentioned, I'm more concerned with function then vanity. You didn't say where you got your information, I'd appreciate knowing as I want to learn more about the Columbia Axle Company.
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For those of you that have been following our slow but continuing progress on the '39 LZ, as well as those who like to actually drive their cars more than just on and off of trailers... Hopefully we'll be getting back to working on the Zephyr next weekend. I was hoping to have her back together and on the road for the "Barner's Bash" this weekend but we've been out of town for the last three weekends. Stay tuned as the fun will continue.
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Now that the "Barner's Bash" is over, it's almost time to get back to work on the '39 Zephyr. Here's a photo of the rear shocks (rebuilt by Bill Wzorek) along with the correct NOS dog bones. I'm really looking forward to driving the "new" Zephyr...
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Well, I'm finally going to be home for a couple of weekends in a row, so I hope we can get some more work done on the Zephyr. I'll post photos of the fun and hope I don't offend anyone’s sensibilities (if they don't like looking at a 72 year old undercarriage that does not shine like a mirror). This car has been, and will continue to be, driven as much as possible, and I can't wait to get her back on the road.
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We finally got a chance to get some work done on the Zephyr. Yesterday Mike and Jeff came over and we installed the transmission and brake & clutch pedal assemblies and assorted linkage. We didn't have enough time to get the rear back into the car, that'll be the next step.
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Well, that is what they were built for. I'll bet you can't wait to be toolin' around in it.
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Well, that is what they were built for. I'll bet you can't wait to be toolin' around in it.
We might even get her ready in time for the New England tour but I think the Moonshine Festival is a more attainable goal.
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Put the Zephyr on the train and do NE tour. A step by step operations placard will work for the Auto Train guys. The tour is coming together and it should be good. You will like it.
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I would just let KiWi,s Towing come & haul that ol junker off so you dont have to waste time on her !!!!
He prob wont charge you to haul her off ..... jus cause he likes ya !!!!
Plus that would let you spend time on that magnificent house & get his room in the house finished so he can move in !!
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Tony only haul it off if he throws in the plaid jacket!!! heh heh he
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Oh Yeah! If you come to the NE tour you have to bring that plaid jacket!!!
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Tony, all I can say is "be careful what you wish for"... LOL. I can't believe that my jacket made such a hit with everyone... Maybe we could make it the official "Barner's Bash" Jacket... Here's another shot of me with my daughter at her wedding rehearsal.
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Lets face it. The Zephyr needs plaid seat covers even if its only temporary.
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Ok, here's a question for those in the know. I just received two NOS dog bones for the rear shocks on the Lincoln Zephyr. The NOS DB's measure 4" center to center which is what is listed in the LZ parts book however; the DB's I removed are 5" center to center.

There are no ID numbers on any of the DB's, so here's my question; what, if any difference will the shorter DB's make, and could it be that convertibles had the longer DB's to compensate for the weight difference? Thanks in advance for any help. Vic
The dogbone you removed isnt correct for the Zephyr . The other two look to be correct. The Zephyr dogbone doesnt have a rubber bushing inside of it,the steel ball end of the stud is crimped in there much like a ball joint or tie rod end.
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The dogbone you removed isnt correct for the Zephyr . The other two look to be correct. The Zephyr dogbone doesnt have a rubber bushing inside of it,the steel ball end of the stud is crimped in there much like a ball joint or tie rod end.
Ken, I know that the dog bones that were on the car are not the correct ones; they measured 5 inches while the correct measurement is 4 inches. The replacement NOS dog bones are correct. I'm anticipating noticeable ride improvement with the rear shocks that were rebuilt by Bill Wzorek.
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Well, I'm finally done with weekend travels (for a while anyway) so I hope we can get back on the Zephyr this Saturday. I've decided to reinstall the original rear end while we update the Columbia. The Columbia was working, when it was removed from a '39 Zephyr Coupe, but I'd rather go completely through it (even if it’s not necessary) before we install it...
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Saturday Play Time is Back
Yes, after a several week hiatus we were back in the garage working on the Zephyr. Mike came over and the two of us got the rear end back in the car and got the backing plates, brakes, rear shocks (thanks again to Bill Wzorek) all buttoned up. Hopefully I'll get a chance to do some more tomorrow like put the drums, wheels and tires on. After that all that's left to do is adjust and bleed the brakes.




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This morning I installed the drums and mounted the wheels and tires. I also started to clean up the garage... Looks like that'll take longer then putting the LZ back together...
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She's Back... Yes, we got the Zephyr buttoned up today. After a long nap she awoke and drove like a dream. Mike, Don & Steve came over to my place, (after we all met at the Saturday Breakfast Club), to give me a hand with the brakes, the final adjustment before firing her up to take a ride with the transmission we rebuilt (thanks to Mac VanPelt) and all the new bushings and especially the rear shocks (that Bill Wzorek rebuilt) working together to produce an outstanding ride. Imagine that!!! Thanks again to Mike, Don & Steve for all their help...


Next up, the '51 F-1. We'll install the '49 Merc OD transmission... Should be FUN.
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Thanks Henry, I appreciate that. Vic
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Well, its day two of the reassembled '39 Zephyr being back on the road and I still can't get over how nice she drives.

Yesterday, after all the guys left, I put the console and other assorted interior pieces back together and took her for a nice long drive.


Now all I have left to do on the LZ is a little bodywork, paint, interior, top, install the new wiring harness etc., gee, I'm almost done... Imagine that!!!
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She's Back... Yes, we got the Zephyr buttoned up today. After a long nap she awoke and drove like a dream. Mike, Don & Steve came over to my place, (after we all met at the Saturday Breakfast Club), to give me a hand with the brakes, the final adjustment before firing her up to take a ride with the transmission we rebuilt (thanks to Mac VanPelt) and all the new bushings and especially the rear shocks (that Bill Wzorek rebuilt) working together to produce an outstanding ride. Imagine that!!! Thanks again to Mike, Don & Steve for all their help...


Next up, the '51 F-1. We'll install the '49 Merc OD transmission... Should be FUN.
I imagine I'd have to get that Weed-Eater tuned-up and in use before ya "lose" that F-1.
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Yup, its tough keeping four acres trimmed when you have a choice between cuttin' grass and playin' with Flatheads... I'll take the latter every time. Here's a friendly suggestion, pull out the dictionary and look up plagiarism... You might find that your attempt at an imaginative use of the word falls short of the intended message. I did not claim to be the author of the quote. While you're at it, keep this in mind, imitation is the highest form of flattery. Glad to see you’re still a fan… Imagine that… LOL
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Ya know the old saying “if it Ain’t Broke Don’t Fix It”… Well, that doesn’t necessarily apply when dealing with an old car that someone (or perhaps several someone’s) had a hand in making changes and/or (you hope) improvements on the various systems over the years. Today I ran into such a situation with the ’39 Zephyr. After reassembling all the components in the car, I must have jostled something because the brake lights weren’t working as they had been before we took everything apart. I actually have a complete (new) wiring harness for the Zephyr however, I don’t want to install it until after the car is painted so, as a result, I myself have had a hand in fixing and or modifying things that (due to age or whatever) have gone awry over the time that we’ve had the Zephyr. Well I set out to find the problem with the brake lights and ended up having to disassemble the consol to trace the origin of the repair. Looking at the mish-mash wiring job done by a previous owner, if I didn’t know better, I’d swear that Rub Goldberg must have owned the Zephyr at one point… Anyway, I fixed the brake light problem and now I’ve got to figure out why the windshield wipers don’t work… It sure is fun playin’ with these old cars.
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Wipers NO PROBLEM
Had a girl that worked for us years ago.
The wipers on her car quit so she tied a piece of Bailing twine,one end to one wiper then through the vent window across the dash out the other vent window the to the other wiper.
In the rain she would move the twine back & forth actuating the wipers.
Funny thing is it worked great.

A little foot note: She got pulled over by the police on day. When he saw that wiper assist apprentice He began to laugh so hard he forgot what he pulled her over for and sent her on her Mary way.
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Bill, I appreciate the ingenuity. Thankfully however, I won't have to employ such an imaginative solution to the problem... I fixed the wipers (at least for now...)
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Zepher is looking good Vic. This weekend at carlisle swap meet my son picked up a Zephyr wide 5 hubcap for some high class garage art. Enjoyed my visit to your home, Earl C
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Thanks Earl, I appreciate that. If you happen to find a nice pair of '38 LZ Hubcaps, I'm looking for two to put on our '39 CS. Vic
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I found the windshield wiper problem, a dry rotted rubber hose causing a vacuum leak. I installed a new hose and now everything works... I ordered a new set of plug wires (hopefully they'll arrive today) and distributor gasket set and rubber boots. I've already installed the generator/voltage regulator wire in the wire looms and I'm looking forward to installing the plug wires... If I get a chance, at lunch time, I'll change the oil and filter. Trying to get everything done so I can drive the Zephyr up to the Saturday Breakfast Club (130 mile round trip).
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I went in search of oil filter cartridges for the '39 LZ at lunch time (took the LZ out for a ride), first stop was the local Advance Auto Parts store. Advance had one cartridge at the warehouse, the cost for the cartridge was $6.45 but they wanted to charge me $6.00 for shipping... Next I called NAPA, they told me they could get one for me but they would have to order it and the cost for the cartridge was $17.00. Needless to say, those two options didn't sit well with me so, I did what I should have done in the first place, I called Joblot. James told me they had around 150 cartridges in stock and they were $8.00 each. I asked him to send me six! Thanks James. Vic
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Hey Vic, I thought you were installing a Columbia in your Zephyr.
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Ken I do have the Columbia but, even though I know it was in working order when I got it, I decided to go through it and freshen it up before installing it.
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John, they (the lunch hours) are as long, or as short, as I need them to be... LOL Vic
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Ken I do have the Columbia but, even though I know it was in working order when I got it, I decided to go through it and freshen it up before installing it.
You are a smart man for doing so. Let me know if I can be of any help ,Its not that far to Alabama.
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Thanks Ken, I appreciate that and may be contacting you once we open her up! Besides, I could use another road trip... Vic
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Wow, the Postman just delivered a package with spark plug wires and Rajah Caps for the Zephyr and just in time for lunch... Now for some more fun...
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I'm takin' a short cut... I have an original spark plug wire loom from a '39 LZ that was found in a Lincoln Dealership years ago by a friend of mine. Apparently Lincoln dealerships replaced the entire wiring harness (already installed in the looms along with the generator, voltage regulator and water temp wire harness). Well, as you can imagine, the wires are dry rotted however they are the correct length so, I pulled each one out and labeled it in order to measure and cut the new wires... I hope it works, we'll see.
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Ya know, it's true, you do learn something new just about every day. Today's revelation came while I was comparing the two sets of plug wire looms I've got for the LZ. I've cleaned up and painted the looms that came with the '39 and while looking at the set I referred to in a previous post I noticed that (what I'll call the "early set") had a shorter driver side loom with a much larger opening on the aft end. On the "early set" the voltage regulator harness and #12 plug wire exited through the large hole on the end of the loom. On the original '39 looms the drivers side is extended and the #12 plug wire exits from a hole in the side of the loom while the voltage regulator, etc. harness exits through the small hole at the rear of the loom... This will make it much easier to route the plug wires (I hope)... Now, here's a question; do any of you Zephyr guys know what year(s) the "early set" of looms fit and are correct for
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I just caught the Zephyr saga. You sure had your share of gremlins in it. It was probably a good thing to put the Columbia on hold until you could go through it. Then you'll be confident that it is done right & ready to roll. I like you collection & the fact that you never seem to tire of the challenges.
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I just caught the Zephyr saga. You sure had your share of gremlins in it. It was probably a good thing to put the Columbia on hold until you could go through it. Then you'll be confident that it is done right & ready to roll. I like you collection & the fact that you never seem to tire of the challenges.
Thanks Woodie, I appreciate that. I've had the Zephyr for almost 10 years so I really can't complain about having to do a little mechanical work on her... I enjoy our cars & trucks for the most part and understand that if you want to use old cars as drivers, which I do, you'll have to do some work on them over time, but I try to look at that as part of the fun, plus I’ve got a bunch of friends with flatheads and we enjoy messin’ with them. For example, I just spent the last two hours running plug wires through the looms for the '39 LZ. It was a pain in the butt but, now that it's done, I'm looking forward to installing the looms/wires/etc. on the Zephyr... Even though I know that’s going to be a challenge as well, it’s all part of the fun with Flatheads. Vic
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Ya know, it's true, you do learn something new just about every day. Today's revelation came while I was comparing the two sets of plug wire looms I've got for the LZ. I've cleaned up and painted the looms that came with the '39 and while looking at the set I referred to in a previous post I noticed that (what I'll call the "early set") had a shorter driver side loom with a much larger opening on the aft end. On the "early set" the voltage regulator harness and #12 plug wire exited through the large hole on the end of the loom. On the original '39 looms the drivers side is extended and the #12 plug wire exits from a hole in the side of the loom while the voltage regulator, etc. harness exits through the small hole at the rear of the loom... This will make it much easier to route the plug wires (I hope)... Now, here's a question; do any of you Zephyr guys know what year(s) the "early set" of looms fit and are correct for
I have never noticed the different lenths but I do know that some are larger in diameter than others . Its my understanding that the larger diameter looms are the later ones and the small diameter are early . The original ones for the 39 are the small ones and Im not sure when the large ones came out. I going to use the large ones on mine, they are much easier to get all those wires inside them.
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Smaller diameter tubes used before 1941. Drivers side tubes are 29" in length and passenger side tubes are 26" in length.

Larger diameter tubes were used from 1941 on in response to added wireing for B-W overdrive transmission and new glass bowl fuel pump which required a shorter driver side tube to keep from interferring with new fuel pump. Both side tubes are 26" in length.
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Copperpenny,
Thanks for that information. Here are a few photos of the two different looms.

This is the “later” set with the large opening in the rear.


And this is the set of looms that were in the trunk of the ’39 Zephyr when I got her.


You can see my handy work with the plug wires, etc.
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A Big THANKS to Shelly & Mac VanPelt

The other day I got the plug wire that I ordered from the Hot Rod Company, along with the Rajah ends for the plugs, they didn't have the correct end caps for the distributor... So, I went up to the local auto parts store as well as NAPA and they told me that they only sell complete plug wire sets... I called Mac; Shelly told me they had the 7mm ends for the distributor. I need 12 to do the LZ but asked Shelly to send 16 because I know I'll most likely mess up one or two installing them...

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This past Saturday I drove the LZ up to the "Hot Rod Breakfast Club", her first extended outing with everything back together, she ran cool with steady, albeit, low oil pressure and did not skip a beat. The round trip is just less than 130 miles mostly on open highway. When I got home I changed the oil & filter, cleaned the heads and applied a coat of Bill Hirsh Lincoln green paint to them. Next up, we'll pull the distributor to install the new gasket set and install the looms with the new plug wires.
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I backed the Zephyr out of the garage this morning and noticed an accumulation of liquid on the floor directly under where the passenger side water pump was parked. I got out of the car and did the smell test as the water had the essence of cooling system orange coloring but with a little oil added to it. I suspect that the passenger side water pump is leaking where it butts up to the block because the hoses and clamps are relatively new and tight. The Zephyr water pumps are the externally oiled type, and clean oil mixed with orange (rust colored) water dripping down the lower radiator hose (it is almost impossible to see anything leaking to determine the origin of the leak) is a strong indication that the water pump is leaking. I guess I'll pull both pumps off and send them to Skip but I really wanted to install the plug wire looms and drive the car a little first. What is the consensus with respect to adding some sort of stop leak to the cooling system (the car is running cool) as an alternative to removing the pumps right away...
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Vic is it possible to find a couple of spare pumps to send to Skip? That way you could drive around & it wouldn't take long to change out the rebuilt ones. Less down time.
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I backed the Zephyr out of the garage this morning and noticed an accumulation of liquid on the floor directly under where the passenger side water pump was parked. I got out of the car and did the smell test as the water had the essence of cooling system orange coloring but with a little oil added to it. I suspect that the passenger side water pump is leaking where it butts up to the block because the hoses and clamps are relatively new and tight. The Zephyr water pumps are the externally oiled type, and clean oil mixed with orange (rust colored) water dripping down the lower radiator hose (it is almost impossible to see anything leaking to determine the origin of the leak) is a strong indication that the water pump is leaking. I guess I'll pull both pumps off and send them to Skip but I really wanted to install the plug wire looms and drive the car a little first. What is the consensus with respect to adding some sort of stop leak to the cooling system (the car is running cool) as an alternative to removing the pumps right away...
Don't trust relatives. LOL Tighten them up as tight as you can get them. I'll bet it is only a relatively tight hose clamp.
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Sound like you have one of the original carbon seal failing on you and leaking out from the pourous bushing which are known to leak after a while. Skips rebuild water pumps are the best and using a seal bearing and you do not have to put oil in the upright oillers they will be there for look only. Vic when I did my spark plug wire loom I build a template with a piece of 3/4 plywood and bolted it down so that it would be more stable to feed all of the wires through then I removed the wire loom tube from the fixture and installed it back on the motor very easy to do.

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Don't trust relatives. LOL Tighten them up as tight as you can get them. I'll bet it is only a relatively tight hose clamp.
Knowing that everything is relative, I checked and rechecked the hose and clamps. Unfortunately, it is the pump that is leaking... Oh well, another project...
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Thanks B-O-B, I checked those out... I think I'll just have Skip rebuild the ones I've got.
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Sound like you have one of the original carbon seal failing on you and leaking out from the pourous bushing which are known to leak after a while. Skips rebuild water pumps are the best and using a seal bearing and you do not have to put oil in the upright oillers they will be there for look only. Vic when I did my spark plug wire loom I build a template with a piece of 3/4 plywood and bolted it down so that it would be more stable to feed all of the wires through then I removed the wire loom tube from the fixture and installed it back on the motor very easy to do.

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Thanks Frenchy, I didn't know that Skips rebuild made it unnecessary to oil the pumps, that'll save making a mess... I got all the wires run through the looms, only had a little trouble with the ones that cross over from side to side. I'm looking forward to installing the looms and now, getting the water pumps done.
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Hi Vic. Sorry to hear about the water pump. Fortunately it didn't go out completely when you did your cruise up to Spring Hill last Sat. Old cars-gotta love em! Steve
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Hi Steve, yup, I'm glad she didn't leave me stranded on the highway... What about this Saturday, think you'll make it up to my place so we can cruise on up to the Breakfast Club? Vic
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Thanks Frenchy, I didn't know that Skips rebuild made it unnecessary to oil the pumps, that'll save making a mess... I got all the wires run through the looms, only had a little trouble with the ones that cross over from side to side. I'm looking forward to installing the looms and now, getting the water pumps done.

Vic also once you have the wire loom tubes installed the center covers will be difficult to installed as you will need to squized the other tubes closer to the intake manifolds so the two center pieces can stay on. The first time I installed the water pumps I had put oil in them and it took a while for all of the oil to come out not knowing that I did not need to fill them at all.

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Frenchy, I put the looms together with the center covers in place and put plastic tie wraps around the looms to keep the center cover in place... I'll see if that works... If it does, once I have the looms secure, I'll cut the tie wraps off. (See photo)
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Update on water pump leak. Yesterday I put some Barrs (spelling) stop leak in the LZ to see if it would slow the water leaking from the passenger side water pump at the pulley. I let the engine run for a few minutes and than took her for a ride, after about a half hour and with the water up to normal temp (180) I pulled into the garage and shut her off. Several hours later I checked to see how much, if any water was pooled on the garage floor... The good news is; there was very little water leaking and, when I went to check this morning there was no additional water so, now I'll move forward with the plan to install the wire looms, etc. and be able to drive the Zephyr for at least a few days before I pull the pumps and send them to Skip for rebuilding...
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Well, this was the "lost weekend" as far as doing any work/play with the Flatheads except for riding shotgun with Steve (in his '46 Coupe) up to the Breakfast Club on Saturday . Right now I'm playing the waiting game... Please Mr. Postman look and see… if there's a package of parts for me... before I can do any more work on the Zephyr. Oh, I did fix the John Deere lawn tractor so I got to mow the lawn...

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Yesterday was a Red Letter Day as I finally got some of the boxes full of kitchen appliances out of the garage and into the house... Now I've got to clean up and rearrange things to make it easier, and more fun, to work on the Flatheads... Hopefully I'll install the plug wire looms in the LZ this Saturday.
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Yup, just one more week (I hope) and I'll be able to get to (and use) the parts cleaner that has been trapped behind the refrigerator box for I don't remember how long... I even mopped the floor (at least the part that I could see)!
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Old 05-20-2012, 06:37 PM   #171
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Another weekend has come and gone with no work done on the LZ or any of the other (always in need of something) Flatheads in our garage... I did take the LZ out for a nice ride on Saturday morning but spent the rest of the weekend working in the yard... Maybe this week I'll take some time and install the plug wires & looms in the LZ... Next week I want to try and get the '51 F-1 in the garage, to pull the transmission, so we can install the '49 Merc O/D transmission. I've never done a conversion like this before and, aside from having to shorten the drive shaft, I'm not sure if we'll need to make any other modifications. If any of you have done a swap like this, I'd sure appreciate some helpful advice. Thanks, Vic
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Trying to get a head start on the long weekend so, at 7:30 this morning I washed both '39's and the '63 Avanti...
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I couldn't wash even one. I wear out too easily. You can come up and wash a couple of my cars any time you would like some exercise. LOL
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I couldn't wash even one. I wear out too easily. You can come up and wash a couple of my cars any time you would like some exercise. LOL
Lawson, I'm still trying to catch my breath......
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Are you planning on driving all 3? You FLA folks are good but I didn't realize you were that good! Have a great time.
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Al, I drive em all, albeit not at the same time although, I would if I could...
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When we rebuilt the LZ’s transmission, I installed an NOS U joint and new gaskets. I packed the U joint with Corn Head grease and, after assembly I pumped more grease into the housing. Everything is working well except that after driving the car and letting it sit overnight, I’m finding little Corn Head “gifts” on the garage floor. I’ve driven the LZ about 500 miles and the other day, after finding more grease on the floor; I pumped almost a full tube of Corn Head grease into the housing. This grease is “low Temp” so that it lubricates the U joint instead of just coating the interior of the housing through centrifugal force. I have not been able to identify the area that the grease is leaking from and I’m wondering if packing the U joint will just become another part of normal maintenance only on a more frequent basis… Have any of you had a similar experience using Corn Head Grease
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When we rebuilt the LZ’s transmission, I installed an NOS U joint and new gaskets. I packed the U joint with Corn Head grease and, after assembly I pumped more grease into the housing. Everything is working well except that after driving the car and letting it sit overnight, I’m finding little Corn Head “gifts” on the garage floor. I’ve driven the LZ about 500 miles and the other day, after finding more grease on the floor; I pumped almost a full tube of Corn Head grease into the housing. This grease is “low Temp” so that it lubricates the U joint instead of just coating the interior of the housing through centrifugal force. I have not been able to identify the area that the grease is leaking from and I’m wondering if packing the U joint will just become another part of normal maintenance only on a more frequent basis… Have any of you had a similar experience using Corn Head Grease
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After I have driven my Hot Rod Lincoln a few miles I have noticed a small amount of grease / oil on the floor coming directly from the clam shell where the grease is put in at the fitting somehow it must be the cork strips that you install in the the half clam shell it must be bypassing the seal and leaking out just a small amount nothing to worry. I have the 39 Zephyr transmission in my car. See a picture of the clam shell below also the movement of the enclosed drive tube up and down passing by between the clam shell and the tube.

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After I have driven my Hot Rod Lincoln a few miles I have noticed a small amount of grease / oil on the floor coming directly from the clam shell where the grease is put in at the fitting somehow it must be the cork strips that you install in the the half clam shell it must be bypassing the seal and leaking out just a small amount nothing to worry. I have the 39 Zephyr transmission in my car. See a picture of the clam shell below also the movement of the enclosed drive tube up and down passing by between the clam shell and the tube.

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Thanks for letting me know I’m not the only one, I thought it might be a normal "Lincoln Leak", I'll just have to remember to check it more frequently.
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When we rebuilt the LZ’s transmission, I installed an NOS U joint and new gaskets. I packed the U joint with Corn Head grease and, after assembly I pumped more grease into the housing. Everything is working well except that after driving the car and letting it sit overnight, I’m finding little Corn Head “gifts” on the garage floor. I’ve driven the LZ about 500 miles and the other day, after finding more grease on the floor; I pumped almost a full tube of Corn Head grease into the housing. This grease is “low Temp” so that it lubricates the U joint instead of just coating the interior of the housing through centrifugal force. I have not been able to identify the area that the grease is leaking from and I’m wondering if packing the U joint will just become another part of normal maintenance only on a more frequent basis… Have any of you had a similar experience using Corn Head Grease
Hey Vic, Is your nos u-joint one of the Lincoln joints with needle bearings or a Ford joint ? Im considering putting a Ford joint in my Zephyr,every Lincoln joint I have seen is worn out . Seems to me there would have to be some thin grease in there to work its way into one of those Lincoln joints. Anyone else have any thoughts on this ?
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Hey Vic, Is your nos u-joint one of the Lincoln joints with needle bearings or a Ford joint ? Im considering putting a Ford joint in my Zephyr,every Lincoln joint I have seen is worn out . Seems to me there would have to be some thin grease in there to work its way into one of those Lincoln joints. Anyone else have any thoughts on this ?

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Just to let you know I have a new Zephyr U joint in my 39 Zephyr trans and originally I was going to install a Ford U joint to find out it will not work on the Zephyr splines as it is smaller and doesn't go on. The Zephyr spline comming out of the transmission is different than the Ford I was hoping to change it for the Ford style because there are more of them than the Zephyr and cheaper.

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Just to let you know I have a new Zephyr U joint in my 39 Zephyr trans and originally I was going to install a Ford U joint to find out it will not work on the Zephyr splines as it is smaller and doesn't go on. The Zephyr spline comming out of the transmission is different than the Ford I was hoping to change it for the Ford style because there are more of them than the Zephyr and cheaper.

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Frenchy & Ken,
The U joint I used was on the back of a '46 Ford transmission that I got several years ago, it fit with no problems. The Ford & Lincoln part #'s are the same, B-7090 for the U Joint Assembly.
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The U joint I used was on the back of a '46 Ford transmission that I got several years ago, it fit with no problems. The Ford & Lincoln part #'s are the same, B-7090 for the U Joint Assembly.

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Thanks I was told they were different spline from the Zephyr and Ford.

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I was thinking the two transmissions shared the same mainshaft
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Everything but the case is the same in the '39 Ford & '39 LZ transmission as far as part #'s go. I used all Ford parts; it pays to cross reference part #'s as a lot of Ford & Merc parts are used on the LZ.
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Everything but the case is the same in the '39 Ford & '39 LZ transmission as far as part #'s go. I used all Ford parts; it pays to cross reference part #'s as a lot of Ford & Merc parts are used on the LZ.

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I hope everyone enjoyed the long weekend and remembered those that gave their lives to protect our freedom... I got nothing done as far as working on Flatheads goes (still haven't put the plug wire looms in) but I've been enjoying driving the LZ with all the other new parts installed. I’m going to pull the distributor to clean/service it and install the new gasket set. Here’s a question, do any of you know if the terminal plates have corresponding numbers (relating to which plug wire goes where) on them?
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According to the verbiage in the manual they are marked like the V8 caps. The following was pulled from the section on the V12.

ASSEMBLY.
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Thanks, I thought it would be like the V8's but I wasn't sure, I appreciate the information.
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Today I finally got a chance to mess with the LZ so I installed the plug wire looms, pulled the distributor, cleaned it up, put new gaskets, etc. Later this week I'll try to get the distributor installed and fired up.
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Vic, that really looks nice. The color blend is terrific! Steve
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Steve, thanks, once everything is cleaned up and painted she should look fine... right now I just want her to run so I can have some fun with her while I wait for the floor pans from Bradley’s... Hoping to play again this Saturday, think you can cruise up? Vic
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They are marked but its easy to get #6 and #9 mixed up so watch out for that.
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Ken, I experienced my first screw up ever... LOL! I thought that the LZ marked the plugs like the Ford... Wrong... I had to retrace each plug wire as the LZ has odd numbers on left head and even numbers on the right head... Take away… If all else fails, read the instructions…
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