Door Window Crank Removal on my '41.

[drolston]

To replace the broken door glass on my '41 coupe, I am trying to remove the upholstery panel. Window frame came out with little trouble.
I expected the usual fight with the door and crank handle pin removal. But this time I am stumped. The pin is frozen hard into the handle. Put the right size drift pin on it and went from tapping to pounding. Went after both ends but it will not budge. I have destroyed the spring loaded escuchion to get better access to the pin.

Any suggestions before I take a drill to it, and risk ruining something else.


Also, any suggestions on replacement pins. I find none at the usual Ford parts places.

[19Fordy]

That seems odd as those pins usually come out quite easily.
I wonder if someone before you used Locktite on the pin?
Excessive pounding will damage the crank extension.

Please post photos of what you are dealing with.
Make sure the dia. of your pin punch is smaller than pin dia.
I think a 3/32 pin punch will get the job doe.

[drolston]

Originally Posted by 19Fordy

That seems odd as those pins usually come out quite easily.
I wonder if someone before you used Locktite on the pin?
Excessive pounding will damage the crank extension.

Please post photos of what you are dealing with.
Make sure the dia. of your pin punch is smaller than pin dia.
I think a 3/32 pin punch will get the job doe.

I was quite surprised that the pin was frozen in the hole. I see no evidende of corrosion or locktite. The pin is down in the hole a bit, so no problem getting the correct size punch onto the pin. The crank handle will wiggle on the shaft and it is evident that the pin is stuck in the handle, not the shaft. I am not worried about damaging the crank handle with a drill, as there are replacements for that, but I would sure hate to damage the window mechanism.

Photo would not show much.

[paul2748]

For replacement pins, I have used ordinary nails that would fit the hole.

[drolston]

Originally Posted by paul2748

For replacement pins, I have used ordinary nails that would fit the hole.

I will cut some to length, with spares for the ones that disappear to the back side of the moon when I drop them.

[marko39]

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Originally Posted by drolston

To replace the broken door glass on my '41 coupe, I am trying to remove the upholstery panel. Window frame came out with little trouble.
I expected the usual fight with the door and crank handle pin removal. But this time I am stumped. The pin is frozen hard into the handle. Put the right size drift pin on it and went from tapping to pounding. Went after both ends but it will not budge. I have destroyed the spring loaded escuchion to get better access to the pin.

Any suggestions before I take a drill to it, and risk ruining something else.


Also, any suggestions on replacement pins. I find none at the usual Ford parts places.

i have cut up a drill bit of the correct size, can make several from one bit.

[19Fordy]

I would not use a pin made from a drill bit as it would be impossible to drill it out, if needed, as exemplified in the OP's need to drill out the pin portion that is lodged in the handle.
Use a softer metal .

[Ggmac]

Does your handle have 2 or 4 holes in it ? I have seen handles and shafts redrilled to repair a botched original hole . Make sure you’re not looking at a old fix .

[drolston]

Originally Posted by Ggmac

Does your handle have 2 or 4 holes in it ? I have seen handles and shafts redrilled to repair a botched original hole . Make sure you’re not looking at a old fix .

I finally got the frozen pin out. Fortunately for me both handle and shaft have four holes, because I mangled the hole in use by drilling out the pin. The door handle came off easier, but not without damaging the escucheon. The escucheons were both the usual aftermaket things that are 1/8" thicker than the original equipment, making installation hard and removal very hard. I will be replacing those with the generic '32 - '48 stainless ones, which I hope are easier to work with.

[drolston]

Next problem. The glass lower channel is disconnected from the lift mechanism. The mystery is how to get the disconnected glass out of the door. Even with tipping the glass to the rear and out of front channel, I can not get it the glass out. Business coupe with the narrow door.

I know this topic has been discussed before, so I will search the forum. But in the mean time if someone has the secret, please respond here.

[Ggmac]

I just ptraded for a short door coupe with jump seats . Havent needed to do door glass yet . Everything else , yes .

[drolston]

I went through 21 pages from searching on "door glass" and did not find anything useful on how to extract the broken door glass from the door.

Help!

[JayChicago]

Maybe these two pages from VanPelt's site can be some help:
http://www.vanpeltsales.com/FH_web/f...-40-46_pg5.htm
http://www.vanpeltsales.com/FH_web/f...-40-46_pg6.htm

[TJ]

As for pins for the window handle I have found that Ace Hardware carries some nice small roll pins that work perfect

[drolston]

The VanPelt diagrams gave me a clue. Thanks Jay! The channel that guides the front of the window needs to come loose. Pretty sure it is held in by two screws at the top and two at the bottom. See the pictures. Does anyone know if that track has to come all the way out, or just partially?



I will try removing the top two screws and the rear of the lower screws. And loosen the front on of the lower screws. Hopefully i will be able to pivot the track enough to maneuver the window out without having to completely remove the track. Because it could be tricky to get it back into the correct positon.


I will take the old and new window to an auto glass shop to get the front and bottom tracks installed.

[19Fordy]

Jay: Thanks for posting that VanPelt window info.

[drolston]

Originally Posted by drolston

The VanPelt diagrams gave me a clue. Thanks Jay! The channel that guides the front of the window needs to come loose. Pretty sure it is held in by two screws at the top and two at the bottom. See the pictures. Does anyone know if that track has to come all the way out, or just partially?



I will try removing the top two screws and the rear of the lower screws. And loosen the front on of the lower screws. Hopefully i will be able to pivot the track enough to maneuver the window out without having to completely remove the track. Because it could be tricky to get it back into the correct positon.


I will take the old and new window to an auto glass shop to get the front and bottom tracks installed.

Nope, - had to remove all four screws from the front channel and drop it down inside the door. Even then it was a struggle to get the window bottom channel past the thin pad along the outside door ledge. A little prying with a screwdriver under the metal channel brought the window free, leaning towards the inside of the car. Such persuasion going back in with the new glass must be more delicate. Wish me luck.



The '41 Merc coupe window I bought is, as I hoped, an exact match.

[drolston]

Danny's Glass near me has done old cars and had the tape needed. to get the front and bottom channels on correctly. Getting the window back down into the door was, as expected a challenge. A little silicone grease on the tight spot of the slightly corroded bottom channel and on the adjacent trim on the door ledge solved that problem. Getting the front channel back in place was not that bad; tip: Put the top screws in (loose) first.

Out of concern that I might break the glass putting it back in, I had them make a cardboard pattern. If anyone needs that pattern, I would send it to you. Fits '41 Ford and Mercury narrow door coupes, and '41 four door sedans front door. I do not have the parts bible so I don't know if it fits other years.

[fordor41]

I wonder if either inside or outside top of the door had gotten bent. I removed the door glass from our '41 fordor ( short door) by tipping the glass inward at the top and it came right out. hung up a tiny bit on the window channel but basically rolled right out