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Old 04-04-2021, 04:46 PM   #1
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Happy Easter,

So, any ideas for why after bleeding my 1940 3/4 ton brakes I have such a firm pedal that it hardly moves at all?

I rebuilt the master cylinder, fixed a few leaks, used speed bleeders for the bleed. I did not remove the hubs to check or adjust anything since I did not have the proper hub remover. I did not adjust the pedal rod. Brake pedal spring is in place.

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Old 04-04-2021, 05:21 PM   #2
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Happy Easter,

So, any ideas for why after bleeding my 1940 3/4 ton brakes I have such a firm pedal that it hardly moves at all?

I rebuilt the master cylinder, fixed a few leaks, used speed bleeders for the bleed. I did not remove the hubs to check or adjust anything since I did not have the proper hub remover. I did not adjust the pedal rod. Brake pedal spring is in place.

Thanks.

Dale
Adjust the brake pedal rod!!
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Old 04-04-2021, 05:26 PM   #3
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Possible that the brake hoses are clogged/collapsed on the inside.
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Old 04-04-2021, 05:40 PM   #4
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Adjust the brake pedal rod!!

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Old 04-04-2021, 07:05 PM   #5
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take it for a ride it may be ok
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Old 04-04-2021, 08:16 PM   #6
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Adjust the brake pedal rod!!
Copy...will do. Thanks.
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Old 04-04-2021, 08:17 PM   #7
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Possible that the brake hoses are clogged/collapsed on the inside.
Brand new hoses...forgot to say that earlier. Thanks.
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take it for a ride it may be ok
I think I will wait to do that until my hub puller arrives and I can make a quick check of the other cylinders and pads and what not. Thanks!
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Old 04-04-2021, 09:22 PM   #9
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the master cylinder rod should "rattle" or have a small amount of free play or otherwise every time you step on the brake it is building pressure and thus not releasing the brake
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Old 04-04-2021, 09:38 PM   #10
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the master cylinder rod should "rattle" or have a small amount of free play or otherwise every time you step on the brake it is building pressure and thus not releasing the brake
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Had this happen and ended up with rear brakes holding on!!
released at bleeders then adjusted forsome free pedal travel.
Dont drive it in this condition ie nil free pedal travel.
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Grab the brake rod and make sure you can move it in and out at least 1/16" or that it rattles like Alan mentioned above.


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Like guys said about the master cylinder actuating rod. The plunger returns to be against a snap ring, which fully releases the pressure. It does not work right if that does not happen.
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Old 04-05-2021, 01:22 PM   #13
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Brand new hoses...forgot to say that earlier. Thanks.
Although probably not your issue, having brand new hoses doesn't guarantee perfection. I've seen them "necked down" in the middle of the hose, right
out of the box. (and these weren't offshore items either)
Five other shops didn't catch the customer's problem, which was a massive
pull to the left under braking.
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Old 04-05-2021, 01:28 PM   #14
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I agree with the previous advice of adjusting the pedal rod.
It's also possible that dorvedahl47pu has dragging brakes due
to this situation...... which others have also indicated.
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you said you rebuilt the master cyl. are you sure you installed the check valve in the right drecation
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This bulletin shows the master cylinder parts assembly.
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File Type: jpg Master cylinder operation.jpg (50.3 KB, 30 views)
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