Tubeless Bias Tires

[Rayfry]

Having a problem getting new tubeless bias tires mounted. Went to 2 shops and was told they couldn't do it. Brand new tires from Coker 710x15. They are saying I need to buy tubes for these.

[deuce_roadster]

Were these tires wrapped tightly so the beads were touching each other for shipping? I had some new tires (radials from Tire Rack) that were shipped that way and I couldn't get the beads out to the rim to seal either. What I did was take a good tube, one at a time put into each tire (off the rim) and fill it to push the beads out away from each other. Push them out past the width of your rim and let it sit there a while, maybe in the sun to warm up the tire. Then let out the air and then remount on rim. I have a Coats air operated tire machine and I couldn't get the new tires to seal to the rim until I stretched them out from shipping ( and probably being stored that way).

[RalphG]

More likely didn't want to do it. I've installed tubeless tires on the farm. It takes a little ingenuity and perseverance with the stubborn ones sometimes but its possible.

[19Fordy]

Pretty lame when a tire company can't mount tires.
Remember the old days when your local gas station employee could do it?
Cinch strap.

[cas3]

tire cannon

[19Fordy]

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[leon bee]

I can get those suckers blowed up, but I guess that doesn't help with the original question. I don't know where you live, but you need to look for the down-home looking shops. Maybe the ones where the signs are in another language.

When I get those tires wrapped that tight I cut 4 eight inch sticks for each one. Spread the beads apart and lay them out in the sun for a while.

[TomT/Williamsburg]

Put the tires out in the sun to get them pliable. Then get them on the rim and seat the bottom lip area just like the tire guys do. Does not have to be on the lip itself, just on the rim area leading up to the lip. With a ratcheting scrap around the middle of the tread area tighten it up until the upper tire lip is close to the upper rim lip. What this does is bubbble the side walls and push the lips out. Now try pumping them up without the svalve in the valve stem, releasing the strap once you have made a seal. Some soapy water on the tire lips will also help.

I have done this several times and it works pretty good.

Just had a tire place dismount some bias plus with tubes in them - piece of cake. It also helps if perhaps you go to a small tire place, maybe ones that deal in used tires, and they have more experience than the big chains do.

[tubman]

There's always the ol' can of starting fluid and a match trick. I used to think it was real "hillbilly", but sometimes it's the only thing that works. I start with a 5 second burst and work my way up. lf you're careful, it's not that dangerous.

You have nothing to lose but your eyebrows

[Kube]

Originally Posted by cas3

tire cannon

Bingo! This is how I install tractor tires.

[deuce_roadster]

" lf you're careful, it's not that dangerous"

My gramps used to say "IF is the biggest word in the dictionary."
Will have to see if there is YouTube video of this. Sounds hilarious!

[Drbrown]

How about an electric heat gun. darn things come in handy many times for many things.

[Tinker]

It's a liability issue for most shops. Did they try and sell you nitrogen too.

[Randy in ca]

Did they say they couldn't do it or that they wouldn't do it? As mentioned could be a liability thing if the rims do not have the safety bead.

[corvette8n]

I bought myself a Harbor Freight tire machine for $34 bucks with the coupon a few years back. The secret is to bolt the thing down, mine is mounted to a cement floor. I've done 11 tires with it so far, works for me.

[cas3]

i do all my own too, just with irons then have them balanced in town. should try the dyna beads and skip the trip to town, but have not yet

[tubman]

I'm with "corvette8n" on this. I got mine from Northern Tool, but from what I can see, it is the same as the one from HF. And yes, unless you bolt it down securely, you'll be quite unhappy. You will also need to get a couple of quality tire irons, which you should have anyway. Mine needed to be modified slightly, as the "thing-a-majig" that keeps the wheel from turning was obviously located wrong and the "foot" on the bead breaker was shaped wrong. I have done dozens with mine with no problem, and with a bubble balancer from the same source I can do all of my own tire work. I have saved a bunch of money and a lot of time. Curiously, the larger the wheel size, the easier the job. The toughest set I did was a set of 14's for the little lady's minivan. Larger than that is easy.

The tire shops up where I live consider their main job to be selling and mounting their own tires. Doing "walk-in" tire mounting and balancing is waaaay down on their list, especially if it is not a run of the mill job. Even if you call and make an appointment, any other task that comes up will be put in front of you. I tried the "I'll drop 'em off today and pick 'em up tomorrow" approach, and most of the time, my stuff was sitting untouched when I came back the next day. And the there is the cost, they will over charge you and add in "Shop Supplies", "Disposal Fees", and other charges that can drive the charge to get one tire mounted to over $20.00. There used to be a shop about 6 miles away that was helpful to hobbyists, but they went out of business about 10 years ago. I wonder why.

The only problem with mine is I paid $100 for it. I guess HF has got a couple of advantages.

[Rayfry]

found a shop that would do it. They used a band around the tread to expand the tires. they were wrapped so tight when they arrived, they didn't even look like the right size tire. Thanks for all the suggestions.

[cas3]

yeah, they can be squished pretty skinny, i think from being stored in a stack. i like deuce roadster's idea of blowing up a tube inside for a while if you have the time. good luck, happy motoring

[cmbrucew]

Guys mounting tires for quads use wooden sticks to hold them open for awhile.
Helps.


Bruce