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Old 01-20-2018, 08:09 AM   #1
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Default 33 unskirted fenders

Is there any production number on the early 33's with the open (unskirted) fenders, or a cut off date, thanks, Chuck.
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Old 01-20-2018, 08:58 AM   #2
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It is likely a smallish number somewhere less than 5,000 which is approximately the number of initial '33s that were subject to a fairly lengthy list of running changes. Since there was no link between engine production at the Rouge engine plant and the manufacture and dispersal of fenders to the various assembly plant, it would be a fool's errand to assume that all '33s with engine numbers below 18-xxxxxx had un-skirted fenders and all '33s over that engine number did not.

If V8 Club judging is your concern, a well-informed judge would look for other early features so that there was reasonable consistency as to the period of production in which the car was produced. For an extreme example, it is highly unlikely that any '33 was produced with both un-skirted fenders and a glove box radio given that Job #1 was in January, 1933 and the latter was not released until August, 1933.
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Old 01-21-2018, 08:58 AM   #3
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One has to wonder how many vehicles were driven with one of each when an early 33 needed a fender replaced and the skirted was all that could be had?
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I have seen one in person and it really looked strange from what we are accustomed to.
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Old 01-22-2018, 06:28 AM   #5
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The thing that amazes me how easy things could be changed, back then,now days it would be two or three years before a fender change could be approved, tested,blaa,blaa blaa!
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Old 01-23-2018, 01:01 PM   #6
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One has to wonder how many vehicles were driven with one of each when an early 33 needed a fender replaced and the skirted was all that could be had?
25 years ago I bought an absolutely perfect early-take-off skirtless rear fender at an auction. Shiney original black paint with the Ford drips on the edge. Just a little bit of primer overspray from sitting around a shop for decades.

I always thought that the original car got the other side smooshed when it was not too old, and they had to replace both sides so they matched.

I sold the fender a decade ago on Ebay for BIG bucks.
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Old 01-23-2018, 10:49 PM   #7
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I was told the unskirted fendered 33's were mainly produced @ the Northwestern Ford plant ? .
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Old 01-24-2018, 12:11 AM   #8
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I was told the unskirted fendered 33's were mainly produced @ the Northwestern Ford plant ? .
Wow...and on a VICKY, no less. DD
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Old 01-24-2018, 05:08 AM   #9
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The then owner of this "skirtless" 1933 Ford Victoria also owned a second "skirtless" 1933 Ford Victoria which was a Street Rod. Photo taken at Lake Tahoe back in 2013.
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Old 01-24-2018, 05:16 AM   #10
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In addition to the skirtless fenders, that Victoria also has the super early spare tire mounting arrangement, gas tank cover, and bumper brackets.
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Old 01-24-2018, 05:18 AM   #11
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I noticed that they use a different running board than the normal 33 34's
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Here are some close-up pictures of the Skirtless Fenders on early production 1933 Ford V8 Victoria. As Dave pointed out, they even have their own unique Running Boards. Also note the unique rear Bumper Irons.
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Old 01-24-2018, 06:37 AM   #13
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Early Production Spare Wheel Mount and Support Rod on 1933 Ford Victoria, as David G pointed out. Also note the recess in the Gas Tank Cover for the Spare Wheel.
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Old 01-24-2018, 03:47 PM   #14
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Lake Tahoe is a beautiful location with spectacular scenery, but it is not the ideal place to hold a car show. Did you notice all the Pollen on this Black 1933 Ford Victoria? Owners had a hard time trying to keep their cars clean, and owners of Convertibles didn't lower the tops.
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Old 01-25-2018, 02:03 PM   #15
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Default Re: 33 unskirted fenders

Interestingly I noticed there is a Skirtless fender listed on eBay right now..

Also it seems most all the Skirtless fendered cars I have personally seen in my short time in the hobby were mostly all Victorias. Is there a reason for this?
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Old 01-25-2018, 03:01 PM   #16
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Mike
The one on epay looks and sounds like the one Alchemy said he had and sold. Mighty big number for such a limited number of cars to fit....I guess IF you had one and were missing that fender??? What are those odds???
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Old 01-25-2018, 06:02 PM   #17
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While this thread is going, David can you tell me the difference in the early gas tank cover?
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Old 01-25-2018, 07:00 PM   #18
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If one goes back through the early issues of the V8 TIMES Vol 9 #1 on pages 18/19 there is a feature on a skirtless tudor sedan that was rescued from a county dump in Washington.
The feature by Lorin Sorensen shows a lot of the differences between skirtless and non skirtless.
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Old 01-25-2018, 09:40 PM   #19
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most of washington should be put IN the dump...opps, i ment DC
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Old 01-25-2018, 11:46 PM   #20
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Michael,

Look closely at Trevor's photos in #12 and #13 above and you'll note the fairly deep recess in the cover to accommodate the spare wheel/tire as well as the lower portion of the stamped bracket for the spare. The lower corners of the cover are also completely different as the rear bumper brackets are made up of two pieces on each side and pass between the outside edges of the cover and the inside edge of the rear fender as they attached directly to the ends of the chassis frame, not to the unique cross bar beneath the cover like in the 'usual' '33-'34 arrangement.

I have a '33 chassis parts catalogue, but not with me, so I can't cite part numbers. Unlike the '34 catalogue, it is not illustrated which is unfortunate. (In the original/reprinted '34 chassis parts catalogues nearly all of the listings of these unique components have been excluded, although in the illustration on one of the pages where bumper components are listed, a surrogate for the two-piece right side rear bumper bracket is shown in the form of the brackets for one of the commercial vehicles.)

One of the items on my BFRC to-do list is to spend some time acquiring a better understanding of those early components and the timing of their replacements with the familiar later components. That likely won't be until after the Grand National Meet.
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