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Old 12-13-2018, 02:31 PM   #1
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Hello. I was advised to get on this forum and introduce myself.
I am retired and just bought an old Model A Ford or Sedan.
Problem.....engine is frozen. I have been soaking pistons with mystery oil and ATF. No luck.
The car is otherwise nice.
Ideas?
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Old 12-13-2018, 02:54 PM   #2
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A friend of mine was given a flathead that was seized. he soaked the cylinders with penetrating oil for over a week with no luck. He then put vinegar in the cylinders and the motor turned over by hand (with resistance) the next day.
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Old 12-13-2018, 03:08 PM   #3
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How long have you been soaking the cylinders? Are you trying the crank or starter to spin it over? ATF is a good solution but i never mixed it with Marvel mystery oil. Trying mixing the ATF with acetone and get a socket and a breaker bar on the crank pulley nut. That helps to get better movement.
I’ve freed stuck motors that way. Just have patients.
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Old 12-13-2018, 03:15 PM   #4
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it sounds like it is now a waiting game. Let the chemicals do there job. It will free up! Hugh
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Old 12-13-2018, 03:29 PM   #5
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Welcome to the Barn! How about some Pics?


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Old 12-13-2018, 03:55 PM   #6
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Thank you for all the interest to help!
I will continue to pour ATF into the one cylinder that it takes over night to drain out of. The other three seem to drain down in 15 mins or so.
I will try conifer next week...lol
Thanks guys

I pulled the car today...third gear...left skid marks both rear wheels.
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Old 12-13-2018, 04:12 PM   #7
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Give it some time. Rome wasn’t built in a day.

Also check other things that could be holding things. Is your Starter stuck, also take off valve cover and check if valves and lifters are free to move. Another place to use MMO.

Keep us informed. Enjoy.
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Old 12-13-2018, 04:26 PM   #8
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Yes, been soaking a week. Been jumping on hand crank, and pull/dragged her today. No luck.
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Old 12-13-2018, 04:32 PM   #9
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Thank you for all the interest to help!
I will continue to pour ATF into the one cylinder that it takes over night to drain out of. The other three seem to drain down in 15 mins or so.
I will try conifer next week...lol
Thanks guys

I pulled the car today...third gear...left skid marks both rear wheels.
I would be worried about bending rods and breaking gears if I pulled it to get it turn over. Take it apart and fix it right.

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Old 12-13-2018, 04:36 PM   #10
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Thanks friend. Going to try your path next. I do have time....I think. Lol
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Old 12-13-2018, 04:38 PM   #11
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Is the clutch froze up on the flywheel?

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I would be worried about bending rods and breaking gears if I pulled it to get it turn over. Take it apart and fix it right.

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Charlieís right. Donít take a chance on breaking other things that arenít now broken.

As I mention, get some (a lot) penetrating oil on your valves and lifters, cam and bearings. Valve cover should come off now.

Is there rust on cylinder walls?

Does car roll freely when in neutral.

How long has it been since the engine was last started?

Picture of engine would help.
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Old 12-13-2018, 04:52 PM   #13
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I had a spinal cord trama five years ago. Big jobs are out of my capabilities these days

But thank you for my friend
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Old 12-13-2018, 04:59 PM   #14
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Charlieís right. Donít take a chance on breaking other things that arenít now broken.

As I mention, get some (a lot) penetrating oil on your valves and lifters, cam and bearings. Valve cover should come off now.

Is there rust on cylinder walls?

Does car roll freely when in neutral.

How long has it been since the engine was last started?

Picture of engine would help.
The car does roll freely. I:ll try to get pics soon. Car is 45 miles away, so don't get there everyday.
I was told engine ran 3 years ago.
There is black crud on pistons, but couldn't tell if rust.
When I pulled plugs, looked like she had run last couple days.
Having trouble finding how to post car pics
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Old 12-13-2018, 05:06 PM   #15
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Did my pictures go thru.
I am lost at this
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Yep you have a nice late 30 Briggs Fordoor.


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Old 12-13-2018, 05:16 PM   #17
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Like your sedan Mike
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Old 12-13-2018, 05:16 PM   #18
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Did my pictures go thru.
I am lost at this
Got the pictures.

Take some of engine, might help in understanding condition of engine. Left and right side, plus top.

Car looks like your going to have fun. We just have to get it running.
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Old 12-13-2018, 05:18 PM   #19
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Clutch and trans feel good
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Old 12-13-2018, 05:22 PM   #20
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Going to sign off for now. Back later...or tomorrow.
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