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Joe/Ct · 08-13-2015, 08:29 PM

I just had the transmission rebuilt on my '28 roadster, and had 600W oil added. After driving for a few weeks, I checked the level. Upon removing the fill cap, the fluid ran out the fill hole and was cloudy/milky. Is this normal? If not, what does it indicate and what is the remedy?

BILL WILLIAMSON · 08-13-2015, 08:54 PM

Drain that dude & fill it with 140W, quality gear oil. WHY do we mess around with everybodys' WEIRD gear oil CONCOCTIONS? They're gettin' RICH off us, there are NO "MIRACLE" LUBRICANTS.---Just like making SOUP, if you put TOO MUCH CRAP in it, you SPOIL IT.
Bill W.

Mike V. Florida · 08-13-2015, 10:25 PM

Milky look is usually water in the lubricant. Drain it, refill it and see what it does.

WestCoast · 08-14-2015, 01:41 AM

Bill, your right use 140w, I cant believe these guys are still going by an 85 year old spec book, as others said, water in trans, maybe thru the vent hole, or thru the top shifter plate

Mike V. Florida · 08-14-2015, 03:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WestCoast

Bill, your right use 140w, I cant believe these guys are still going by an 85 year old spec book, as others said, water in trans, maybe thru the vent hole, or thru the top shifter plate

If using 85 year old parts, why not 85 year old specs?

BILL WILLIAMSON · 08-14-2015, 06:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mike V. Florida

If using 85 year old parts, why not 85 year old specs?

BUT, in 85 years, we've developed BETTER oils & lubricants & DON'T use VASELINE on your distributor cam, jist cuz Henry sed so!
VASELINE is for the BEDROOM!
Bill W.

Tom Wesenberg · 08-14-2015, 07:46 AM

But oil is millions of years old, and was refined in the past year, so I'll stick with the thick stuff originally recommended. It helps to slow the gears for better shifting. I've seen some of the dealer mixed oil that is almost black, like dirty oil. I don't know what's in it, but haven't heard of any problems related to it, but I'll keep buying the Mobil 636 from the local bulk oil dealer.

jimvette59 · 08-14-2015, 07:54 AM

I have a question could the new oils be foaming and creating a problem ?
I also would like to know if the new 600 W be foaming . Does the Mobile 636 have a anti foaming agent like some race cars use ?

Gold Digger · 08-14-2015, 08:34 AM

It don't seem right about water or moisture mixing with 600W oil. 600W is what we use in the lubricators on steam engines and if it gets spilt or used for lubrication on an engine a steam cleaner want clean it off. It takes kerosene or gasoline to clean it off, water want cut it. It's designed to lub inside the cylinder with steam.

Mitch//pa · 08-14-2015, 09:18 AM

not getting involved in the what type of oil debate..
it sounds like you have water mixed with the trans oil which will cause it to get milky

ck the rear diff and see how that looks.... maybe the car was parked on a hill and it traveled into the trans

tuneman · 08-14-2015, 09:32 AM

Just wondering, lol.

BILL WILLIAMSON · 08-14-2015, 10:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mitch//pa

not getting involved in the what type of oil debate..
it sounds like you have water mixed with the trans oil which will cause it to get milky

ck the rear diff and see how that looks.... maybe the car was parked on a hill and it traveled into the trans

Seriously, in the old days, without electricity or battery chargers, folks would try to park backward, on a "hill", for a sure start. Mrs Bell rarely drove her '39 Plymouth, if it didn't start on her "hill", she'd coast out on the road, look PATHETIC, & wait for someone to come along & push her!
Bill W.

RobertB · 08-14-2015, 02:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BILL WILLIAMSON

BUT, in 85 years, we've developed BETTER oils & lubricants & DON'T use VASELINE on your distributor cam, jist cuz Henry sed so!
VASELINE is for the BEDROOM!
Bill W.

Yeah....I put it on the doorknob to keep the wife from waking me up...

modela4shane · 08-14-2015, 02:18 PM

Milky condition could also be the assembly lube or assembly grease used during the rebuild that is now mixing with the gear oil.

oliverguy · 08-14-2015, 02:39 PM

Good idea. Ask your mechanic if he used lubriplate or some other white assembly grease. Or drain it out and send it off to be anaylized. That will really tell you what's in it.

I like when someone just mentions some type of oil it throws some people into tantrum on this forum. If nobody wanted 600W any more, you wouldn't see it for sale at every antique car meet.

Patrick L. · 08-14-2015, 02:45 PM

Sounds like foam to me too. Maybe try a different brand of oil from 140 to 250 weight. There isn't that much difference in the two.

08-13-2015, 08:29 PM	#1
Joe/Ct Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Waterford, CT Posts: 214	Transmission Oil Cloudy I just had the transmission rebuilt on my '28 roadster, and had 600W oil added. After driving for a few weeks, I checked the level. Upon removing the fill cap, the fluid ran out the fill hole and was cloudy/milky. Is this normal? If not, what does it indicate and what is the remedy? __________________ Joe/Ct "The older I get, the better I was"

08-13-2015, 08:54 PM	#2
BILL WILLIAMSON Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: FRESNO, CA Posts: 12,558	Re: Transmission Oil Cloudy Drain that dude & fill it with 140W, quality gear oil. WHY do we mess around with everybodys' WEIRD gear oil CONCOCTIONS? They're gettin' RICH off us, there are NO "MIRACLE" LUBRICANTS.---Just like making SOUP, if you put TOO MUCH CRAP in it, you SPOIL IT. Bill W. __________________ "THE ASSISTANT GURU OF STUFF"

08-13-2015, 10:25 PM	#3
Mike V. Florida Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: South Florida Posts: 14,012	Re: Transmission Oil Cloudy Milky look is usually water in the lubricant. Drain it, refill it and see what it does. __________________ What's right about America is that although we have a mess of problems, we have great capacity - intellect and resources - to do some thing about them. - Henry Ford II

08-14-2015, 01:41 AM	#4
WestCoast Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2014 Location: oroville calif Posts: 893	Re: Transmission Oil Cloudy Bill, your right use 140w, I cant believe these guys are still going by an 85 year old spec book, as others said, water in trans, maybe thru the vent hole, or thru the top shifter plate

08-14-2015, 07:46 AM	#7
Tom Wesenberg Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Mpls, MN Posts: 27,456	Re: Transmission Oil Cloudy But oil is millions of years old, and was refined in the past year, so I'll stick with the thick stuff originally recommended. It helps to slow the gears for better shifting. I've seen some of the dealer mixed oil that is almost black, like dirty oil. I don't know what's in it, but haven't heard of any problems related to it, but I'll keep buying the Mobil 636 from the local bulk oil dealer.

08-14-2015, 07:54 AM	#8
jimvette59 Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Long Island NY Posts: 896	Re: Transmission Oil Cloudy I have a question could the new oils be foaming and creating a problem ? I also would like to know if the new 600 W be foaming . Does the Mobile 636 have a anti foaming agent like some race cars use ? Last edited by jimvette59; 08-14-2015 at 07:59 AM.

08-14-2015, 08:34 AM	#9
Gold Digger Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: Arkansas & Alaska Posts: 552	Re: Transmission Oil Cloudy It don't seem right about water or moisture mixing with 600W oil. 600W is what we use in the lubricators on steam engines and if it gets spilt or used for lubrication on an engine a steam cleaner want clean it off. It takes kerosene or gasoline to clean it off, water want cut it. It's designed to lub inside the cylinder with steam.

08-14-2015, 09:18 AM	#10
Mitch//pa BANNED Join Date: May 2010 Location: Bucks County, PA Posts: 11,454	Re: Transmission Oil Cloudy not getting involved in the what type of oil debate.. it sounds like you have water mixed with the trans oil which will cause it to get milky ck the rear diff and see how that looks.... maybe the car was parked on a hill and it traveled into the trans

08-14-2015, 09:32 AM	#11
tuneman Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 261	Re: Transmission Oil Cloudy. Synthetic or regular Just wondering, lol.

08-14-2015, 02:18 PM	#14
modela4shane Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 121	Re: Transmission Oil Cloudy Milky condition could also be the assembly lube or assembly grease used during the rebuild that is now mixing with the gear oil.

08-14-2015, 02:39 PM	#15
oliverguy Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Reading PA Posts: 239	Re: Transmission Oil Cloudy Good idea. Ask your mechanic if he used lubriplate or some other white assembly grease. Or drain it out and send it off to be anaylized. That will really tell you what's in it. I like when someone just mentions some type of oil it throws some people into tantrum on this forum. If nobody wanted 600W any more, you wouldn't see it for sale at every antique car meet.

08-14-2015, 02:45 PM	#16
Patrick L. Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Upstate NY and western Florida Posts: 5,204	Re: Transmission Oil Cloudy Sounds like foam to me too. Maybe try a different brand of oil from 140 to 250 weight. There isn't that much difference in the two.

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