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Kahuna · 02-10-2015, 11:49 AM

Guys,
This is just a shot in the dark. Maybe someone can help:
I'm trying to help a friend of mine with a Ford Industrial engine
in a wood chipper and can find very little to nothing about it.
I'm wondering if any of you might suggest a Forum that is familiar
with these things?
Thanks so much
Jim

I also posted this in the Model A section

BILL WZOREK · 02-10-2015, 12:15 PM

Kahuna

I know they were used on the back of road sanders in the mid 60's in Massachusetts.

I just thought it a long shot though call Dalton tractor in Dalton Massachusetts.
I don't even know if they are still in business .
That is where we use to get parts for ours.

scrapiron · 02-10-2015, 01:27 PM

4-6-8- picture?

rotorwrench · 02-10-2015, 01:30 PM

We would need more information as to its type & number of cylinders to be of help. Photos would also help. FoMoCo has been manufacturing industrial powerplants since the begining.

Kahuna · 02-10-2015, 03:22 PM

Sorry for the lack of pics
It's an overhead valve 4 cylinder engine with the distributor on the side center. There was an information tag on the valve cover, but it's totally useless now. It uses a Marvel Schebler updraft carburetor.
I've been told the same engine is used (was) on forklifts, water pumps, etc. Have no idea of year of Mfg, etc
This engine is large?

G.M. · 02-10-2015, 03:31 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Kahuna

Guys,
This is just a shot in the dark. Maybe someone can help:
I'm trying to help a friend of mine with a Ford Industrial engine
in a wood chipper and can find very little to nothing about it.
I'm wondering if any of you might suggest a Forum that is familiar
with these things?
Thanks so much
Jim

I also posted this in the Model A section

I have an Asplundh that was used in the late 30's and up into the 50's. Mine has an 8 N type industrial engine with a Twin Disk In/Out transmission on the back with V belt and flat belt pulley's. When I restored it 15 or 20 years ago I contacted Twin Disk, They had records from when it was new they even sent me a new name plate. In 1950 Aspundh sent the transmission or clutch unit back to TD, they rebuilt it and sent it back to Aspundh in Willow Grove, Pa. They must of had a helper put a rebuilt engine and the trans back on the unit. It seems the helper got the distributor wires crossed and it wouldn't start. The valve covers were off and it got pushed back in the corner and latter junked. I bought it off the junk guy years latter after sitting in the field for $15.00. I got it running and it's the best quietest 4 cylinder Ford I ever heard. I made all new sheet metal, it looks good. I'll have to take a few pictures. This is a flathead 4 cylinder with the valve covers on the side of the block. G.M.

Mike B · 02-10-2015, 04:15 PM

Get some pics of it, might be the same/similar as used in tractors, there should be a stamp pad on the block, opposite of the exhaust side, just below the head with the serial number.

Then maybe try the tractor sites (like yesterdays tractor, etc)...I got a lot of help on a Ford Industrial Diesel I had in an air compressor, was basically the same engine used in Fordson tractors.

scicala · 02-10-2015, 04:23 PM

The only Ford 4 cylinder engine I can picture that had a valve cover (OHV) and an updraft type intake manifold would be a Ford tractor engine. Especially with a Marvel Schebler updraft carburetor.

Sal

G.M. · 02-10-2015, 04:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mike B

Get some pics of it, might be the same/similar as used in tractors, there should be a stamp pad on the block, opposite of the exhaust side, just below the head with the serial number.

Then maybe try the tractor sites (like yesterdays tractor, etc)...I got a lot of help on a Ford Industrial Diesel I had in an air compressor, was basically the same engine used in Fordson tractors.

I spent a lot of time a number of years ago on serial numbers for the 4 cylinder 8 N engines. Trucks have their own numbers, tractors have their own numbers and industrials have their numbers. The tractors and trucks are well documented. There is no one I could find has a record of industrials. New Holland farm equipment at one time had records, they changed hands several times. They gave the old guy that worked there the records and I have never been able to contact him. G.M.

jimTN · 02-10-2015, 05:11 PM

There were two industrial engines of the type you describe. They were the 134cid and the 172cid. The 134 engine is basically the same as the 53-56? jubilee and 600 tractor engine. The 172 is the same as the 800 series farm tractor. There were variations such as lp gas manifolds. You should be able to locate parts easily for either engine. You can get a parts book from any Ford Industrial engine dealer.

Cecil/WV · 02-10-2015, 05:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jimTN

There were two industrial engines of the type you describe. They were the 134cid and the 172cid. The 134 engine is basically the same as the 53-56? jubilee and 600 tractor engine. The 172 is the same as the 800 series farm tractor. There were variations such as lp gas manifolds. You should be able to locate parts easily for either engine. You can get a parts book from any Ford Industrial engine dealer.

I rebuilt a bunch of these when I worked in a machine shop in the late 60's. They were/are used on bulk cement tanker trailers, at that time, O'Boyle Tank Lines in Martinsburg, WV. Not here any more. The difference is the same as the difference between the 8N and the flat 4 cyl truck engines, they have a fuel pump.

Ol' Ron · 02-10-2015, 06:16 PM

The one in our wood chipper was a JD 172 4banger,

rotorwrench · 02-10-2015, 06:30 PM

It may also be English Ford like the Fordson Major or Super Major but I don't know if they ever imported just the engines over to the USA or not.

There is also some information out there for the 134 and 172 Industrials.
http://www.ntractorclub.com/eds_stuf...%20Engines.pdf.

They are similar to the 192 as well. I think I've seen manuals on flea-pay that cover all three engines (134, 172, & 192 cid)

33cabriolet · 02-10-2015, 09:12 PM

this is probably the engine used in Hyster fork lifts the model it was used in was H60H.
look up Hyster on the net this should give the info. you need. John

cmbrucew · 02-10-2015, 09:32 PM

I think Mobil sweepers used an industrial Ford for the rear engine. 1960"s ?
Bruce

BILL WZOREK · 02-11-2015, 05:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cecil/WV

I rebuilt a bunch of these when I worked in a machine shop in the late 60's. They were/are used on bulk cement tanker trailers, at that time, O'Boyle Tank Lines in Martinsburg, WV. Not here any more. The difference is the same as the difference between the 8N and the flat 4 cyl truck engines, they have a fuel pump.

Cecil:

Thanks , My family use to be in the concrete business up until the 80's & I forgot all about that application.

big job · 02-11-2015, 06:33 AM

Try Ford Feista probably not spelled correctly, but were used in Bobcats, we rebuilt
one. Maybe from the 1970's or 1980's.

Kahuna · 02-11-2015, 11:08 AM

Hey everyone
Thanks so much for the help. JimTn has it right. It is a Ford 172 CI engine.
Now to find a few parts.
You just can't beat the Fordbarn and the great resource it provides by the
members.
Thanks again to all
Jim

FlatheadTed · 02-11-2015, 02:17 PM

Is it this

Bruce Lancaster · 02-11-2015, 02:51 PM

There my be one more OHV banger...I think there was an industrial only 4-cylinder based on the early OHV six.
Once you have the thing identified, parts and tech should be no problem...I think all the Ford industrials are based on car, truck, and tractor sources.

02-10-2015, 11:49 AM	#1
Kahuna Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: NorCal Posts: 2,617	Ford Industrial engine Guys, This is just a shot in the dark. Maybe someone can help: I'm trying to help a friend of mine with a Ford Industrial engine in a wood chipper and can find very little to nothing about it. I'm wondering if any of you might suggest a Forum that is familiar with these things? Thanks so much Jim I also posted this in the Model A section

02-10-2015, 12:15 PM	#2
BILL WZOREK Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Florence Ma. Posts: 2,404	Re: Ford Industrial engine Kahuna I know they were used on the back of road sanders in the mid 60's in Massachusetts. I just thought it a long shot though call Dalton tractor in Dalton Massachusetts. I don't even know if they are still in business . That is where we use to get parts for ours.

02-10-2015, 01:27 PM	#3
scrapiron Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Independence, VA Posts: 423	Re: Ford Industrial engine 4-6-8- picture?

02-10-2015, 01:30 PM	#4
rotorwrench Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: San Antonio, Texas Posts: 16,431	Re: Ford Industrial engine We would need more information as to its type & number of cylinders to be of help. Photos would also help. FoMoCo has been manufacturing industrial powerplants since the begining.

02-10-2015, 03:22 PM	#5
Kahuna Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: NorCal Posts: 2,617	Re: Ford Industrial engine Sorry for the lack of pics It's an overhead valve 4 cylinder engine with the distributor on the side center. There was an information tag on the valve cover, but it's totally useless now. It uses a Marvel Schebler updraft carburetor. I've been told the same engine is used (was) on forklifts, water pumps, etc. Have no idea of year of Mfg, etc This engine is large?

02-10-2015, 04:15 PM	#7
Mike B Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Oakdale,Ca Posts: 1,323	Re: Ford Industrial engine Get some pics of it, might be the same/similar as used in tractors, there should be a stamp pad on the block, opposite of the exhaust side, just below the head with the serial number. Then maybe try the tractor sites (like yesterdays tractor, etc)...I got a lot of help on a Ford Industrial Diesel I had in an air compressor, was basically the same engine used in Fordson tractors.

02-10-2015, 04:23 PM	#8
scicala Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Detroit suburb, MI Posts: 3,705	Re: Ford Industrial engine The only Ford 4 cylinder engine I can picture that had a valve cover (OHV) and an updraft type intake manifold would be a Ford tractor engine. Especially with a Marvel Schebler updraft carburetor. Sal

02-10-2015, 05:11 PM	#10
jimTN Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Powell, TN Posts: 2,509	Re: Ford Industrial engine There were two industrial engines of the type you describe. They were the 134cid and the 172cid. The 134 engine is basically the same as the 53-56? jubilee and 600 tractor engine. The 172 is the same as the 800 series farm tractor. There were variations such as lp gas manifolds. You should be able to locate parts easily for either engine. You can get a parts book from any Ford Industrial engine dealer.

02-10-2015, 06:16 PM	#12
Ol' Ron Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Chester Vt Posts: 8,860	Re: Ford Industrial engine The one in our wood chipper was a JD 172 4banger,

02-10-2015, 06:30 PM	#13
rotorwrench Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: San Antonio, Texas Posts: 16,431	Re: Ford Industrial engine It may also be English Ford like the Fordson Major or Super Major but I don't know if they ever imported just the engines over to the USA or not. There is also some information out there for the 134 and 172 Industrials. http://www.ntractorclub.com/eds_stuf...%20Engines.pdf. They are similar to the 192 as well. I think I've seen manuals on flea-pay that cover all three engines (134, 172, & 192 cid) Last edited by rotorwrench; 02-10-2015 at 08:49 PM.

02-10-2015, 09:12 PM	#14
33cabriolet Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Graham WA Posts: 424	Re: Ford Industrial engine this is probably the engine used in Hyster fork lifts the model it was used in was H60H. look up Hyster on the net this should give the info. you need. John

02-10-2015, 09:32 PM	#15
cmbrucew Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: North of sandy ago, CA. Posts: 2,064	Re: Ford Industrial engine I think Mobil sweepers used an industrial Ford for the rear engine. 1960"s ? Bruce __________________ Works good Lasts long time

02-11-2015, 06:33 AM	#17
big job Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2013 Location: Dighton, Mass Posts: 1,230	Re: Ford Industrial engine Try Ford Feista probably not spelled correctly, but were used in Bobcats, we rebuilt one. Maybe from the 1970's or 1980's.

02-11-2015, 11:08 AM	#18
Kahuna Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: NorCal Posts: 2,617	Re: Ford Industrial engine Hey everyone Thanks so much for the help. JimTn has it right. It is a Ford 172 CI engine. Now to find a few parts. You just can't beat the Fordbarn and the great resource it provides by the members. Thanks again to all Jim

02-11-2015, 02:51 PM	#20
Bruce Lancaster Member Emeritus Join Date: May 2010 Location: Madison, NJ Posts: 5,230	Re: Ford Industrial engine There my be one more OHV banger...I think there was an industrial only 4-cylinder based on the early OHV six. Once you have the thing identified, parts and tech should be no problem...I think all the Ford industrials are based on car, truck, and tractor sources.