The Ford Barn

Gary Karr · 07-07-2018, 12:29 PM

Congratulations again Doug. You keep raising the bar on fine point restorations!

denniskliesen · 07-07-2018, 09:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jeff/Illinois

Neat cars. That last picture of the '28 Tudor with 19" wheels kinda throws you, for being a Fine Point car though.

Neat thanks for posting them.

The last picture of the 28 Tudor was not a judged car, it was parked at the end of the upper parking area when the judged cars were open for viewing. He was leaving the upper level to park in a different parking lot.

Bick in New Zealand · 07-08-2018, 04:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Doug Clayton

Just added a couple of pictures of the 160-C from Reno.
Not as flashy as the Town Car Delivery, but managed a Best-of0Show

Stunning restoration Doug, congratulations on an outstanding effort!

Jeff/Illinois · 07-08-2018, 12:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by denniskliesen

The last picture of the 28 Tudor was not a judged car, it was parked at the end of the upper parking area when the judged cars were open for viewing. He was leaving the upper level to park in a different parking lot.

Gotcha. Sharp Tudor none the less, I liked it

aermotor · 07-09-2018, 07:05 AM

Could someone give me some examples of what minus points would be for in Bill Clickers List?

John

Bill Cilker · 07-09-2018, 11:29 PM

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John
I am not quite sure what you are asking, but I think that you are asking how cars are judged.

At a MARC or MAFCA meet that has Vehicle Judging, Model A’s are judged against the Restoration Guidelines and Judging Standards. They are not judged one Model A against another. In Reno the Judges used the 1997 Guidelines. (The new 2011 Guidelines will be used at the next National Meet. This gives a restorer time to update his Model A,) If a person were to restore a Model A according to the Guidelines, his Model A would technically look like it did when it came off the assembly line.

In Vehicle Judging each vehicle starts out with 500 points and if it does not have the correct details for its year and month, it will lose points. There are 23 areas in the guidelines and they were assigned to about 12 teams of Judges. A Judging team will probably have 1 or 2 Areas to judge. Each Judging team judges the same Areas for all the cars in the Vehicle Judging. Each Area is given a certain number points (such as Area 10-Glass and Side Curtains is worth 10 points).

After all teams are done judging, the Area sheets are tallied for that vehicle and that is the overall score is arrived at.

I hope that this answers your question.

aermotor · 07-10-2018, 05:53 AM

Sorta answers. I guess what I am asking is for examples of why cars had points deducted from the 500?

John

WTSHNN · 07-10-2018, 06:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by aermotor

Sorta answers. I guess what I am asking is for examples of why cars had points deducted from the 500?

John

Because they used a reproduction ammeter.

Because they used a ‘31 part on a ‘28.

Because they had an alternator instead of a generator.

Because a bolt was raven finished when it should have been unfinished.

Because there was a run in the paint on a splash apron.

Literally thousands of reasons why points are earned/lost.

-Tim

BILL WILLIAMSON · 07-10-2018, 09:01 AM

Let's not take it LIGHTLY, when we think of making a Model A back to "SHOWROOM" condition!!!---It takes a lots of SWEAT/DEDICATION/SKILLS/MONEY, and the list could go ON & ON & ON!!!---Even with the average, nice car, you feel that you're NEVER REALLY DONE!!!---Sorta' like tryin' to "RESTORE" my DECREPID, OLD body, to "SHOWROOM" condition!!!---LOL & LOL & LOL!!!
Bill Salutingthosefolks

Bick in New Zealand · 07-10-2018, 06:35 PM

I must admit thinking, 'I wonder what Doug dropped 2.7 points on' when I saw his score. So close to the perfect score!

foxfire42 · 08-01-2018, 12:30 PM

Math error brought the Town Car Delivery score up to 490.1

Bill Cilker · 08-01-2018, 01:00 PM

Congratulations on the adjustment.

Joop · 08-01-2018, 05:03 PM

Mistakes where made

Barbara Birts car got a revised score
Now it is 490.1

Congratulations

jw hash · 08-01-2018, 08:55 PM

Congratulations Barb it was well deserved.

larrys40 · 08-01-2018, 09:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by art ebeling

Congratulations to all but especially Arlyn Bieber who has helped with me with my Victoria restoration.

Art
Yes... congrats to all. Mulling over if I do my 68c to fine point or not. Arlyn is a great guy. I’m sure your Victoria will be top notch as well.
Larry

07-07-2018, 12:29 PM	#21
Gary Karr Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: San Diego, CA Posts: 1,484	Re: The Fine Point cars of Reno Congratulations again Doug. You keep raising the bar on fine point restorations!

07-09-2018, 07:05 AM	#25
aermotor Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2015 Location: Greenville, SC Posts: 1,099	Re: The Fine Point cars of Reno Could someone give me some examples of what minus points would be for in Bill Clickers List? John

07-09-2018, 11:29 PM	#26
Bill Cilker Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: Milpitas, CA Posts: 398	Re: The Fine Point cars of Reno Sponsored Links (Register now to hide all advertisements) John I am not quite sure what you are asking, but I think that you are asking how cars are judged. At a MARC or MAFCA meet that has Vehicle Judging, Model A’s are judged against the Restoration Guidelines and Judging Standards. They are not judged one Model A against another. In Reno the Judges used the 1997 Guidelines. (The new 2011 Guidelines will be used at the next National Meet. This gives a restorer time to update his Model A,) If a person were to restore a Model A according to the Guidelines, his Model A would technically look like it did when it came off the assembly line. In Vehicle Judging each vehicle starts out with 500 points and if it does not have the correct details for its year and month, it will lose points. There are 23 areas in the guidelines and they were assigned to about 12 teams of Judges. A Judging team will probably have 1 or 2 Areas to judge. Each Judging team judges the same Areas for all the cars in the Vehicle Judging. Each Area is given a certain number points (such as Area 10-Glass and Side Curtains is worth 10 points). After all teams are done judging, the Area sheets are tallied for that vehicle and that is the overall score is arrived at. I hope that this answers your question. __________________ Bill Cilker, Jr Unrestored 190A Victoria 45B, 160B & 189A Victoria Association President

07-10-2018, 05:53 AM	#27
aermotor Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2015 Location: Greenville, SC Posts: 1,099	Re: The Fine Point cars of Reno Sorta answers. I guess what I am asking is for examples of why cars had points deducted from the 500? John

07-10-2018, 09:01 AM	#29
BILL WILLIAMSON Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: FRESNO, CA Posts: 12,560	Re: The Fine Point cars of Reno Let's not take it LIGHTLY, when we think of making a Model A back to "SHOWROOM" condition!!!---It takes a lots of SWEAT/DEDICATION/SKILLS/MONEY, and the list could go ON & ON & ON!!!---Even with the average, nice car, you feel that you're NEVER REALLY DONE!!!---Sorta' like tryin' to "RESTORE" my DECREPID, OLD body, to "SHOWROOM" condition!!!---LOL & LOL & LOL!!! Bill Salutingthosefolks __________________ "THE ASSISTANT GURU OF STUFF"

07-10-2018, 06:35 PM	#30
Bick in New Zealand Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Napier New Zealand Posts: 931	Re: The Fine Point cars of Reno I must admit thinking, 'I wonder what Doug dropped 2.7 points on' when I saw his score. So close to the perfect score! __________________ 1928 Roadster (CA67) 1931 Deluxe Coupe RHD 1931 Victoria RHD Model A's don't leak oil they just mark their territory.

08-01-2018, 12:30 PM	#31
foxfire42 Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: AZ and WA Posts: 764	Re: The Fine Point cars of Reno Math error brought the Town Car Delivery score up to 490.1

08-01-2018, 01:00 PM	#32
Bill Cilker Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: Milpitas, CA Posts: 398	Re: The Fine Point cars of Reno Congratulations on the adjustment. __________________ Bill Cilker, Jr Unrestored 190A Victoria 45B, 160B & 189A Victoria Association President

08-01-2018, 05:03 PM	#33
Joop Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Glendale, AZ Posts: 2,950	Re: The Fine Point cars of Reno Mistakes where made Barbara Birts car got a revised score Now it is 490.1 Congratulations

08-01-2018, 08:55 PM	#34
jw hash Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Auburn Washington Posts: 2,552	Re: The Fine Point cars of Reno Congratulations Barb it was well deserved.

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