Ignition debate

[oldredford]

I have 2 Model A Fords and one has the conventional point ignition and the other has the FSI electronic. I can't tell the difference in driving the cars. I know points need adjusting and electronic doesn't. I noticed the electronic starts a tad easier. Below are my own observations on pro's and con's with both ignition systems. What are yours?

Pro's for electronic. Once you set the gap you can forget about them. Easier starting, hotter spark. Maybe better gas mileage.

Con's for electronic. Cost more, have to remember you can burn the module easily like leaving the key on when motor is off and voltage spikes, these are a few things to consider.

Pro's for points, cost less, more forgiving, easy to maintain.

Con's for points. Must adjust at intervals. Some times harder to start. Weaker spark caused by the internal ballast resister in the coil.

[Jacksonlll]

Con for electronic: better know how to fix it yourself if you are out on tour and all your buddies are running standard. They all have spare parts, but not for your car.

[F.M.]

Originally Posted by oldredford

I have 2 Model A Fords and one has the conventional point ignition and the other has the FSI electronic. I can't tell the difference in driving the cars. I know points need adjusting and electronic doesn't. I noticed the electronic starts a tad easier. Below are my own observations on pro's and con's with both ignition systems. What are yours?

Pro's for electronic. Once you set the gap you can forget about them. Easier starting, hotter spark. Maybe better gas mileage.

Con's for electronic. Cost more, have to remember you can burn the module easily like leaving the key on when motor is off and voltage spikes, these are a few things to consider.

Pro's for points, cost less, more forgiving, easy to maintain.

Con's for points. Must adjust at intervals. Some times harder to start. Weaker spark caused by the internal ballast resister in the coil.

You can also burn out a coil by leaving the key on in an original system..

[duke36]

With high compression 6.1 head , some have reported that the FS zip out of the box can't seem to get the ignition retarded enough when under load , i.e.,up steep hills , causing possible bearing issues. To remedy this, some try different advance springs or other modifications to lower the advance down from 28 deg. .

[AL in NY]

I have the FS Zipper distributor which has mechanical advance. I modified the advance so there is only 26 degrees total advance. I also reworked the distributor top plate and connected it back to the spark lever. I time the engine with the spark lever fully down, but now I have about 15 degrees of retard by moving the spark lever up. I did this so on a long hill climb, I can retard the spark for better performance.

[Crankster]

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Originally Posted by F.M.

You can also burn out a coil by leaving the key on in an original system..

As well as the points, if they happen to be closed at the time.

[Tom Wesenberg]

Originally Posted by F.M.

You can also burn out a coil by leaving the key on in an original system..

The same goes for the electronic ignition module, which costs more than a coil.

[3.6rs]

And here we go again "oldredford". This must be the fifht thread about the same subject in a few days !

[Tom Wesenberg]

Originally Posted by 3.6rs

And here we go again "oldredford". This must be the fifht thread about the same subject in a few days !

Pretty soon we'll have enough thread to knit a sweater.

[oldredford]

You need to correct your spelling. Fifht?

[tinman080]

I like points, I was raised on 'em.

[Frank Miller]

I bought quality condensors for my 49 and 66 Mustang. Both junk. I figured if I was going to go unreliable I would go with pertronix. I bought the suggested coil also. I carry a spare distributor too. Easy enough to change out. I fought hard on the decision to convert until the new condenser went bad and almost stranded me.

[3.6rs]

Originally Posted by oldredford

You need to correct your spelling. Fifht?

If you can read, write and speak my language the same as I do yours, you have the right to speak...

[Crankster]

Originally Posted by Frank Miller

I bought quality condensors for my 49 and 66 Mustang. Both junk.

That doesn't make any sense?

[100IH]

To most there is no debate.

[Purdy Swoft]

As far as condensers go , I don't think that it would be that difficult to rig an A&L model A condenser on later cars that uses a condenser . Make up a pig tail and connect the A&L condenser to the switch side of the coil . It shouldn't be that difficult to mount the condenser near the distributor and coil . The condenser doesn't know the difference between 6 or 12 volt . The A&L condenser just may be the only really good condenser made now days .

[Brian T]

Originally Posted by 3.6rs

If you can read, write and speak my language the same as I do yours, you have the right to speak...

Hello 3.6rs,
Sometimes people have a problem with comprehension, its not the first time.
Regards Brian.

[Flathead]

Originally Posted by oldredford

You need to correct your spelling. Fifht?

Probably just a typo.

[CarlG]

Originally Posted by oldredford

You need to correct your spelling. Fifht?

....

[Crankster]

Shcolasr hvae lnog piotned otu taht splelnig wsat'n evne stnadrzied utnil teh 19th cneutry, os logn as teh frist adn lsat lttres are crrocet teh mssegae wlil get trhuogh.

[Flathead]

exactly, I think.

[3.6rs]

Originally Posted by crankster

shcolasr hvae lnog piotned otu taht splelnig wsat'n evne stnadrzied utnil teh 19th cneutry, os logn as teh frist adn lsat lttres are crrocet teh mssegae wlil get trhuogh.

:d:d:d

[kenparker]

wel sed , crankster. ken

[old31]

Crankster, yup looks good to me.

[Cool Hand Lurker]

OK, I just gotta say it. I have been to Belgium only once and likely will never get there again. Beautiful country but I will have no practical use for learning their language. If I somehow needed to learn, which would I learn? Dutch, French, German, Flemish, or should I just stick with English? You guys in Belgium use all of them!
I live just down the road from Fargo, ya know, and my English is the right one, ya betcha.

Boy. All this because a typo reversed two letters in a post?
Uffda!

[zzlegend]

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Thanks Lurker. I just scratched Belgium off my bucket list. Now let me get my map out,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, ,,,,lets see now,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,Fargo. Oh there it is. Not much of a drive. Hope to see you there soon. Might even stop and visit Tom W. on the way.

[updraught]

Good points but your president has ignited a lot of debate about grammar.

[3.6rs]

I scratched Belgium off my bucket list a long time ago...

[1930-Pickup]

Originally Posted by updraught

Good points but your president has ignited a lot of debate about grammar.

Its not about the grammar; its about the intent behind it.

[3.6rs]

Originally Posted by 1930-Pickup

Its not about the grammar; its about the intent behind it.

That is also my opinion.
I try to write and to express myself in English as good as possible.
Sometimes I have to read the text of some 'americans over and over again and I still can't figure out what they mean to say. But than I always think it's me... and I'm afraid to ask some explanation.

[1930-Pickup]

Originally Posted by 3.6rs

That is also my opinion.
I try to write and to express myself in English as good as possible.
Sometimes I have to read the text of some 'americans over and over again and I still can't figure out what they mean to say. But than I always think it's me... and I'm afraid to ask some explanation.

Everyone is ignorant...just in different subjects.

[Tom Wesenberg]

Originally Posted by 3.6rs

That is also my opinion.
I try to write and to express myself in English as good as possible.
Sometimes I have to read the text of some 'americans over and over again and I still can't figure out what they mean to say. But than I always think it's me... and I'm afraid to ask some explanation.

You're doing great with your English. In fact better than many Americans these days, as schools aren't teaching the basics like they used to. Now days it's more about teaching you to feel good about yourself and getting a trophy for just showing up. Many schools have dropped shop classes. Wonder where that extra money is going?

[3.6rs]

And on top of that I just received a private message from "Red Ryder"(in correct English?...);

"Smart ass
You keep saying things like that you be banned."

[Cool Hand Lurker]

Yes, being banned is always a worry now. My last post was supposed to be humor (or humour) and I hope it was taken that way. Belgium has several languages but the USA is getting to be that way now too with all the Spanish speaking and Somali speaking immigrants that have recently been moving here plus many others. I hope they will all eventually accept English as it is spoken by most people here, it is less confusing to me.

But simply mixing up two letters in a word does not mean the end of the world. Sftuf happens.

[nosbod]

I must agree with Tom as I think our Begium friend's English is far better than a lot I have read here.As I said to my American cousin when she said she wanted to learn a second language, why not try English! Thank heavens for the special relationship....