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jhawk · 09-18-2018, 03:58 PM

or must I cut top 2 mounting lugs off the transmission cover , they seem to be blocking me from getting this done? Thanks in advance for any help or answers, if it helps this is on 1915 chassis with a 4 slot oil pan and just trying to get a starter and better breaking so far not having much luck!! thanks in advance for any and all help and answers jim

J Franklin · 09-18-2018, 06:19 PM

Your 27 cover is more rare than one for earlier years maybe instead of destroying a rare cover why not find or trade for what you need?

redmodelt · 09-18-2018, 06:42 PM

Unless you have the wide brake drum installed, the 1926/27 shaft for the brake pedal will not line up with the narrow brake drum. The centers are different. Seems to me you should be able to install it. There was extra material added to the block for the ears to mount to, the rest of the block should be the same. You can't just drop it straight down, try sitting the rear down first then swing the front down over the flywheel. You also might relax the ball cap retainers bottom mounting bolts if it is installed, so there is room to rotate the cover in back.

jhawk · 09-19-2018, 10:09 AM

Thank you both very much for your replys and time and being willing to help a dummy. I think I have at last seen the problem. It is not the lugs at all, it is the pan support on the drivers side that is catching the cast moulding on the starter hole at the very bottom of the cover, as I now see it I have to pull the motor , trany, pan as a unit then add the cover, reinstall it all as a unit,as the 15 chassis is too narrow at the pan support area to allow the cover to be added with the motor and trany in place, any way I will give it a shot and see what happens . Thanks again for trying to help a dummy!!! This is the UP side of being retired, no big rush plenty of time and it gives me something to do,thanks again ! jim

J Franklin · 09-19-2018, 11:18 AM

Since you are building from bits and pieces why not find an earlier cover? I didn't think the T chassis were different for different years but never sure. I had an '18 and could remove the cover for band changes while the engine was in the car. with your setup it will be a pain to renew the bands,

24ruxstel1339 · 09-19-2018, 04:29 PM

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Jim, if you're interested, I have a few. With and without starter provisions.

I have always heard it called a "hogshead" FWIW.

redmodelt · 09-19-2018, 11:49 PM

I am going to repeat as you do not state, you can not use the 26/27 cover with the narrow brake drum.

jhawk · 09-20-2018, 10:14 AM

thanks again! I have a complete 26 " hogshead" and transmission that I am using with removeable ears on all bands so I will be able to change my bands thur the top accese door. Thank you all for all of your input! jim

redmodelt · 09-20-2018, 08:05 PM

Thank you, just wanted to be sure.

jhawk · 09-25-2018, 05:24 PM

I give up! I now believe these two will not mate, the 26 is just made 7/8 '' of an inch higher than the earlier hogshead and I don't see any way to do this that would be doable and end up with a decent result. If anyone out there has done this I sure wish you would let me know how you were able to get it done. Iguess it is time to hand it off to my son if he wants it or some one else if he dosent. It has been a good ride and its been fun, I just cant hand crank anymore. jim

J Franklin · 09-25-2018, 09:43 PM

I think you just need to take a break and do some reading up on band changes. that is where you will find good info on hogs head R&R. I have a '20 with a 4 dip pan.

09-18-2018, 03:58 PM	#1
jhawk Member Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 74	27 trany cover mount to a 24 motor? or must I cut top 2 mounting lugs off the transmission cover , they seem to be blocking me from getting this done? Thanks in advance for any help or answers, if it helps this is on 1915 chassis with a 4 slot oil pan and just trying to get a starter and better breaking so far not having much luck!! thanks in advance for any and all help and answers jim

09-18-2018, 06:19 PM	#2
J Franklin Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Oregon Posts: 5,963	Re: 27 trany cover mount to a 24 motor? Your 27 cover is more rare than one for earlier years maybe instead of destroying a rare cover why not find or trade for what you need?

09-18-2018, 06:42 PM	#3
redmodelt Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Portland OR Posts: 6,340	Re: 27 trany cover mount to a 24 motor? Unless you have the wide brake drum installed, the 1926/27 shaft for the brake pedal will not line up with the narrow brake drum. The centers are different. Seems to me you should be able to install it. There was extra material added to the block for the ears to mount to, the rest of the block should be the same. You can't just drop it straight down, try sitting the rear down first then swing the front down over the flywheel. You also might relax the ball cap retainers bottom mounting bolts if it is installed, so there is room to rotate the cover in back. __________________ I know the voices aren't real but damn they have some good ideas!

09-19-2018, 10:09 AM	#4
jhawk Member Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 74	Re: 27 trany cover mount to a 24 motor? Thank you both very much for your replys and time and being willing to help a dummy. I think I have at last seen the problem. It is not the lugs at all, it is the pan support on the drivers side that is catching the cast moulding on the starter hole at the very bottom of the cover, as I now see it I have to pull the motor , trany, pan as a unit then add the cover, reinstall it all as a unit,as the 15 chassis is too narrow at the pan support area to allow the cover to be added with the motor and trany in place, any way I will give it a shot and see what happens . Thanks again for trying to help a dummy!!! This is the UP side of being retired, no big rush plenty of time and it gives me something to do,thanks again ! jim

09-19-2018, 11:18 AM	#5
J Franklin Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Oregon Posts: 5,963	Re: 27 trany cover mount to a 24 motor? Since you are building from bits and pieces why not find an earlier cover? I didn't think the T chassis were different for different years but never sure. I had an '18 and could remove the cover for band changes while the engine was in the car. with your setup it will be a pain to renew the bands,

09-19-2018, 04:29 PM	#6
24ruxstel1339 Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2018 Location: N.E.Ohio Posts: 116	Re: 27 trany cover mount to a 24 motor? Sponsored Links (Register now to hide all advertisements) Jim, if you're interested, I have a few. With and without starter provisions. I have always heard it called a "hogshead" FWIW.

09-19-2018, 11:49 PM	#7
redmodelt Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Portland OR Posts: 6,340	Re: 27 trany cover mount to a 24 motor? I am going to repeat as you do not state, you can not use the 26/27 cover with the narrow brake drum. __________________ I know the voices aren't real but damn they have some good ideas!

09-20-2018, 10:14 AM	#8
jhawk Member Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 74	Re: 27 trany cover mount to a 24 motor? thanks again! I have a complete 26 " hogshead" and transmission that I am using with removeable ears on all bands so I will be able to change my bands thur the top accese door. Thank you all for all of your input! jim

09-20-2018, 08:05 PM	#9
redmodelt Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Portland OR Posts: 6,340	Re: 27 trany cover mount to a 24 motor? Thank you, just wanted to be sure. __________________ I know the voices aren't real but damn they have some good ideas!

09-25-2018, 05:24 PM	#10
jhawk Member Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 74	Re: 27 trany cover mount to a 24 motor? I give up! I now believe these two will not mate, the 26 is just made 7/8 '' of an inch higher than the earlier hogshead and I don't see any way to do this that would be doable and end up with a decent result. If anyone out there has done this I sure wish you would let me know how you were able to get it done. Iguess it is time to hand it off to my son if he wants it or some one else if he dosent. It has been a good ride and its been fun, I just cant hand crank anymore. jim

09-25-2018, 09:43 PM	#11
J Franklin Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Oregon Posts: 5,963	Re: 27 trany cover mount to a 24 motor? I think you just need to take a break and do some reading up on band changes. that is where you will find good info on hogs head R&R. I have a '20 with a 4 dip pan.