Pictures of why "ALL" lifters have to be Butt, New, or Used!

[Kohnke Rebabbitting]

Originally Posted by fordgarage

Aw, that's just Herm. He has some funny ideas.

BUTT GRINDING USING MICROMETER BUTT GRINDING AT-
TACHMENT: To grind valve butt, hold valve firmly on V-rest against
grinding wheel and rotate valve. FORD VALVE LIFTERS: Can be ground
as are the valve butts employing the V-rest.
DRESSING BUTT GRINDING WHEEL: Diamond dresser is posi-
tioned on stud located on side of V-block. Diamond point must not be
above centerline between stud and face of wheel so that if diamond catches,
point swings away from wheel, not into wheel. Diamond is fed into wheel
with micrometer feed nut. Dressing is accomplished by oscillating diamond
across face of wheel. Wheel should be dressed dry.
depth gauge which
BUTT GRINDING V-8 VALVES: The
is a part of the micrometer butt grinding attachment is designed in a single
unit to serve both Model 60 and larger V-8 engines. It is comprised of a
steel shaft, an adjusting valve seat head, and two steel bushings sized to
fit 60 and V-8 engine valve guides.
Use depth gauge to check length of valve, by inserting gauge using
end holding bushing that fits into valve guide hole to serve as valve guide.
With cam shaft and valve lifter in lowest position, and valve seat ground,
lower steel shaft on gauge to touch valve lifter. Set adjustable head against
valve seat obtaining valve length, and screw adjustable head screw tight.
Remove depth gauge, and place in butt grinder attachment as if valve to
be ground. Set the butt end of the gauge so that it just touches highest
point on wheel, and bring valve head fork into support position for the
adjustable head on the depth gauge and tighten in place. Mark micrometer
setting back off, removing depth gauge. Place valve to be ground in butt
grinder, supporting valve head against valve head fork. Start wheel and
feed valve into wheel by taking up on micrometer nut to marked position
plus number of thousandths required for clearance. Repeat procedure for
each valve to be ground.
ROCKER ARM GRINDING: The universal (cone-type) rocker arm
grinding attachment through its popularity has been made standard equip-
valve refacer. With two cones - the rocker arm
ment with the
is held firmly between the two angle surfaces.
To use, mount the rocker arm attachment on forward stud on the
table. Slip the top cone from attachment pin, and place rocker arm to be
ground `on pin, seating lower cone, replace top cone and tighten lock screw.
Adjust the rocker arm to be ground to the wheel in such a way that the
correct radius is obtained when the top table is traversed back and forth
a short distance. Start machine and grind by moving table back and forth
while holding rocker arm lightly against wheel. DO NOT REMOVE more
than enough stock to clean up any pits or flat spots to avoid grinding off
too much of the hard case.


Vince, Don, Bill, any more Questions?

[Pete]

Originally Posted by fordgarage

Just one. Why do you use steel lifters (post 1) instead of chilled cast iron?

I can answer that.
Steel lifters are prefered on steel cams.
Hardenable iron lifters can be used on steel but are usually only used on hardfaced cast iron racing cams.
Chilled iron lifters are normally used on cast iron cams.

[CarlG]

OK, so for the below average guy like me, that doesn't have the sofisticated machinery that Herm has, what's a guy to do?

I bought a new Stipe 330 cam, and a set of new lifters from Snyders. Are we saying here that I can't just install them and go for it??

[JoeWay]

Originally Posted by Kohnke Rebabbitting

BUTT GRINDING USING MICROMETER BUTT GRINDING AT-
TACHMENT:...

Vince, Don, Bill, any more Questions?

I think if you had said "butt ground" (and "butt grinding") in the first place instead of just "butt", everyone would have followed you, even those not familiar with the term.

Joe

[miss victoria]

Carl i would call bill stipe, in 20 + years of model As i never did all that?

[d.j. moordigian]

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Originally Posted by Kohnke Rebabbitting

D.J., the only thing I can say for crowning, when the high spots wear off, the clearance gets bigger, and I have never see a camground lifter, on a sharped toed cam. Plus, all the lifters we use in other engines, are not cam ground.

Herm, I know what your saying...but it works! Look at some "modern"
lifters from say 1950 on up...

NO pissing match,..just discussing.

[MrTube]

Doesn't anyone make roller lifters for the "A" engine?

[Pete]

Yes. Crower and maybe a couple others.
Depending on what you are doing, it is sometomes easier to adapt from another engine.

[28RPU]

Originally Posted by JoeWay

I think if you had said "butt ground" (and "butt grinding") in the first place instead of just "butt", everyone would have followed you, even those not familiar with the term.

Joe

Yup

[Kohnke Rebabbitting]

Originally Posted by JoeWay

I think if you had said "butt ground" (and "butt grinding") in the first place instead of just "butt", everyone would have followed you, even those not familiar with the term.

Joe

Joe, I still would be asked what "Butt Grinding" was, or they have never heard of a BUTT Machine, think about it. Nobody knew what Butting a lifter was, add Grinding, then is the Question, what, and where!

[Fordors]

...those not familiar with the term. Well that would be me. I for one am left wondering just what dictionary will have that definition for the word butt. You suggested looking it up but I cannot find it. Your Sioux grinder manual uses the term but it does not seem to be in any regular usage, at least not in any machine shop I've been in.
I wasn't included with Vince, Don and Bill but I'll ask anyway. Does the surface finish on the no.4 lifter look satisfactory to you? With the ridges shown in the photo it looks like the face of no new, quality lifter I've ever seen. Which dictionary will have the definition of butt used as a process? And lastly, just because Sioux used it way back when, does that put it in the common vernacular?

[JoeWay]

Originally Posted by Fordors

...those not familiar with the term. Well that would be me...

...Your Sioux grinder manual uses the term...

Even Sioux did not call it "butt" or "butting". They called it "butt grind" and "butt grinding", which adds a lot of context to the word.

I doubt that any dictionary has a definition for "butt" by itself that relates to the process under discussion.

Joe

[Pete]

Originally Posted by fordgarage

carl
you can safely ignore this thread and install the currently available single lock 1.117 lifters with your stipe cam.
If in doubt, talk to bill and ignore the circus here.

bill stipe camshafts on ford garage

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[Kohnke Rebabbitting]

Originally Posted by Fordors

...those not familiar with the term. Well that would be me. I for one am left wondering just what dictionary will have that definition for the word butt. You suggested looking it up but I cannot find it. Your Sioux grinder manual uses the term but it does not seem to be in any regular usage, at least not in any machine shop I've been in.
I wasn't included with Vince, Don and Bill but I'll ask anyway. Does the surface finish on the no.4 lifter look satisfactory to you? With the ridges shown in the photo it looks like the face of no new, quality lifter I've ever seen. Which dictionary will have the definition of butt used as a process? And lastly, just because Sioux used it way back when, does that put it in the common vernacular?

Well, Mr. Fordors, the picture may not show it, they are as smooth as a valve Machine will get them, you can't feel the marks with the finger nail, and if you can't, that tells that it is smooth. I could run some 2,000 grit paper across any polished surface, and you would see the marks also, but you could not feel it, of course you wouldn't have any experience with that either. At any rate, they are a 100 percent smoother then they were.

What Dictionary to look in, I already have a post answering that, if you don't want to look for it, I am not going to do your home work for you, just because you don't get. The thing is, most words have many more meanings then are in a normal Dictionary.

Your Sioux grinder manual uses the term but it does not seem to be in any regular usage, at least not in any machine shop I've been in."END QUOTE"

I will tell you Y sun shine, because moderm engines all get new lifters put in, and taken off the shelf, when the motors are built, the parts can be had, and a cheap price. If the lifters were finished, I wouldn't have to do them either.

So, just because you haven't heard the term, with your limited engine rebuilding knowledge, it doesn't exist, right. Ok good luck with that, as I wasted to much time on you anyway.

[Kohnke Rebabbitting]

Originally Posted by JoeWay

Even Sioux did not call it "butt" or "butting". They called it "butt grind" and "butt grinding", which adds a lot of context to the word.

I doubt that any dictionary has a definition for "butt" by itself that relates to the process under discussion.

Joe

Very good Joe, opinion, with out facts!

[Kohnke Rebabbitting]

One more thought, the people that have never heard of the term Butt, There are many KINDS of Grinding.

1. Cam Grinding----A Grinding of a cam!

2. Crank Grinding-----A Grinding of a Crank!

3. Flywheel Grinding----A Grinding of a Flywheel!

4. Head and Block Surface Grinding-------Surfacing Head, and Block!

5. Butt Grinding--------Grinding the ends of valves, lifters, Rocker Arms

Doing that job, just does not go by any other name, there are lots of different kinds of grinding, but that is the only one that fits that job.

So the Guys that don't have the knowledge of what Butting something is, your on your own.

If you would have spent your time looking for the truth, rather then trying to prove me wrong, you would have learned something New, but instead you squandered your time, and mine!

[Kohnke Rebabbitting]

Ya, Vince, I bet all you had to do is open up your own files, go to the internet, Tisk, Tisk!

[PC/SR]

Some things are better not to get involved in, BUT in amongst the porn on Google was this

6 inch General Purpose Valve Stem "butt" Grinding Wheel for Kwik-Way model VL valve refacer. High quality abrasive delivers great surface finishes wiith minimal dressing. For optimum performance use genuine Kwik-Way valve grinding oil part number 000-2112-73.

Too bad the point of the original post was lost.

[Purdy Swoft]

I'm pretty sure that the moon played a part.

[awander]

Kohnke Rebabbiting, why are you always so abrasive?