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Old 10-26-2020, 08:26 AM   #1
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I have a 56 Thunderbird with a 292 I have been putting together.
Just realized this weekend the original road draft assembly is long gone and I don't have a valley cover with pcv hole. I also have the original aluminum polished lifter / valve covers.

I also don't have the original carburetor or distributor. I am just trying to make it work with what I have. Is there anything I can do that won't cost several hundreds of dollars to add pcv? It's all I have left to do before I can drop it in and see if it will run.

Anyone drill a hole in their valley and add a pcv valve? What did you use for a baffle?
Can I plumb the pcv valve into the back of my Carter wcfb carburetor?

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Old 10-26-2020, 09:54 AM   #2
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Chad,

The easiest way to install the PCV would be to obtain a T-Bird valley pan with the hole for the PCV and baffle already in place, but those are hard to find. I did see one on Ebay but he wants a LOT for it (about $225 if you include shipping)

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Ford-Y-Bloc...8AAOSwNg1fVnGk

I think you could modify your existing valley pan by drilling/cutting a 1.25" diameter hole in the center of the flat area of the pan where the Tbird pan has the hole (see attached photos) and then fabricate a baffle similar to the Tbird pan and either weld or braze it in place (probably 16ga. or 18ga sheet metal). You could install the PCV valve into its grommet after drilling the 1.25" hole to determine the depth required for the baffle plate (leaving about 1/4" or so clearance below the PCV valve) You can use the photo attached to get an approximate size of the baffle.
The attached photos show my valley pan (added to my '57 312 engine).

I have a kit that I purchased for my valley pan installation, but didn't use because I ended up getting a new Holley carburetor before the installation so I didn't need the spacer plate and had an extra grommet plus PCV valve. I'm not sure what your Carter carb has for a PCV connection so you might not need the spacer plate either. The two PCV valves that came with the kit have a 3/8" and 1/2" hose connection so if either of those sizes matches your Carter, you don't need the spacer plate. You should be able to connect the PCV hose (not in my kit any longer) from the PCV valve to either the Carter port or the port on the spacer plate.

I no longer need the kit with the grommet and PCV valves, so you can have everything included in the kit for the cost of shipping (not sure what that would be but if you send me your shipping address, I could check and let you know, probably $10-$15)

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Old 10-26-2020, 10:24 AM   #3
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you dont need a cover from a tbird.starting around 58 ford used these on all y blocks.trucks included.your not going to get a deal on e bay.
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Yea I noticed about anything with a pcv vent they refer to as Thunderbird on Ebay so they can increase the price.
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you dont need a cover from a tbird.starting around 58 ford used these on all y blocks.trucks included.your not going to get a deal on e bay.
True enough on both counts. The filler tube on the later valley pan covers may be a different shape (not straight) or taller, but that can be altered if needed.
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Just to let ChadCurrent know, I've also converted my '61 FE 352 to PCV using the draft tube. I did it about 10 years ago, and haven't experienced any negative things, as far as I can tell. Engine runs very good. I think I adjusted the carb or something after I did it.

My only goal was to reduce the amount of exhaust smell in the car, and my solution worked real good for that. I also wanted to do it on my '54 Y-Block, but, as I recall, the draft tube was of significantly larger size, and I wasn't sure if I could/should transition it down to a valve size tube/hose, so I just left it as it was. As I recall, I did remove some of the existing draft tube on my 352FE to make the conversion, but I can't remember how much or why. Unfortunately, posting pics on Fordbarn is hard for me to do with my setup.
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Chad,

I know you're trying to keep the cost to a minimum, but if you do want an original Holley carb for a '56, I have a few restored that I did this summer.

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Old 10-27-2020, 05:28 PM   #9
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scicala I'm not really going for period correct or all original. I'm trying to bring it back to what my dad had when he was in his 20s. I would have put a 312 in it but I can't afford it at this point in time so the 292 he had will have to do. He had it for over 54 years and 45 of those years it sat buried in the garage. I want to get it drive-able first and work on all the details later. I don't want to put it off for 40 years myslelf waiting for perfection.



Hopefully by the end of the year it will at least run down the street and stop on it's own


I would really like to add power steering and disc breaks but that's several thousands I don't have to spend on it right now. I spent way too much just getting the body work done to it's current condition. Luckily my uncle was happy to do it and his friend did a lot too. I bought all the materials and my mom helped pay for his friends labor.
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JImNnn I wasn't having any luck either adding pictures " Error uploading " so I uploaded them to my Google Drive and shared the link.
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Chad, looks like the bird's come a long ways. I had one when I was 17 (they were really cheap then) and now I'm 70. I've got an old valley pan with a kind of cobbled up PVC, but your welcome to it. Or just the idea. The oil fill tube is cut off (I got this for a mock-up on another project), but here's a picture.

You might add your location to your signature line. You never know when someone close can help out

Oops, got one picture twice missed this one

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There isn't lot of room under a Tbird hood, so be careful when adding anything underneath the carb. The WCFB is a tall carb and with an air cleaner it should just about clear the hood (same with a teapot).



With the stock carb and stock air filter, and a 1/4 heat diffuser it is too tall to use a wing nut.
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Here - https://www.fordbarn.com/forum/showthread.php?t=269437


The below is not an oil separator. It is a splash shield.


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Miker98038. I'd be interested as I have another non pcv one that's in pretty rough shape but has the tube. The better one I had we had to hammer into shape a bit before I installed it so it would seat flat. If anything we might be able to swap tubes or have a pattern for the splash guard. My uncle has a 56 in about as rough shape as mine so mine is the practice car. We are learning a lot as he hasn't messed with a y block since he was a teenager back in 67'-68 when dad was drafted in Vietnam basic training. It's definitely a learning experience for me.

Paul2748. I know about the clearance issue as he has a small dent from too long of a threaded rod in the carburetor lol. We fixed the dent and I'll be trimming the threaded rod.

Thanks for the info link KULTULZ.
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BLAST FROM THE PAST

Here - https://www.fordbarn.com/forum/showthread.php?t=269437

The below is not an oil separator. It is a splash shield.


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This is the OEM SEPARATOR -






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I pulled the PCV cobble out of the valley pan, and looking close I think it's handmade. At least I've never seen one like this. Both the PCV valve and the brass fitting will unscrew (one thing about being oily and brass, they don't rust). But it looks to me like it would work. I'd probably use a barb fitting and an in-line valve, but I'll leave that to others. Thoughts?
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What you have is the original separator that has the nipple removed and hardware attached to accept a ninety degree fitting and PCV valve.
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Thanks Kultulz, that helped. I've also got a picture from Chad, he's got the pass car valley with no opening at the rear. I making arrangements to get the whole works to him and suggestions based on my experience to repair/replace the cut off oil fill tube.

I didn't want to send him something that was bad from the start.
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Just for the record, and for anyone that's interested, PCV was introduced on the 292 Y-BLOCK in 1960 for PASS CAR and 1963 for LT. They were released to comply with area EMISSION LAW of the era.

A 2V and 4V system were used, the 4V (1963-64 LT) being the one you would want to emulate (IMO).
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Kultulz I didn't have any parts to speak of. I basically started out with the block, crank, camshaft, rods pistons and heads. Pretty much everything else I have been scavenging from an old y block my uncle had and part of a locked up stripped down one my dad had. I bought new timing chain, pushrods, water pump, oil pump, fuel pump, found a oil pan with the pickup assembly that fit, my uncle gave me an intake manifold, scrounged up some exhaust manifolds and whatever else I could find. It wasn't until assembly that I noticed the breather hole in the side of the block.

I'm using a borg warner t10 4 speed manual transmission that dsd had put in, in the 60s. Hopefully this weekend we will be joining it to the engine and dropping it in. We still have to rebuild the carburetor and work on the valley cover that Mike is sending. After this is done it needs everything done to the brakes as everything is shot.
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The body looks really good.

So you are just wanting to power it now, no fancy stuff? Understood.

BTW - (IMO) You want a 292 block for any serious performance as although the 312 is the same casting, the machining protocols weakened the webbing considerably. Just find a 312 crank and rods and you will have it.

And finding a correctly calibrated PCV valve might be a problem as it will affect your fuel curve while trying to establish correct draw/draft.

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I didn't want to send him something that was bad from the start.
I have faith in you SIR. Everything is OK. I guess the reason to modify a separator as such is to allow a screw-in valve without using the cooling tube.

In fact, the OEM valve might work just fine.
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Kultulz, I've never had a factory PCV valley pan. All mine were either custom conversions or aluminum covers I built. With baffles underneath for oil control. So I really didn't know what I had there. The valley pan was used for a mock up on an induction system, so I never ran it. It did come apart so hopefully he can find a valve that works for him with whatever set up he uses.
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Kultulz, I've never had a factory PCV valley pan. All mine were either custom conversions or aluminum covers I built. With baffles underneath for oil control. So I really didn't know what I had there. The valley pan was used for a mock up on an induction system, so I never ran it. It did come apart so hopefully he can find a valve that works for him with whatever set up he uses.
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you dont need a cover from a tbird.starting around 58 ford used these on all y blocks.trucks included.your not going to get a deal on e bay.
Both pans are the same other than using a draft tube or PCV, so what you are offering Chad is a good start.

You guys have to understand (well, I guess you don't) is that I am extremely CDO (OCD in correct alphabetical order) and desire everything to look OEM and perform correctly.

But I did learn from this thread (as I do all) the reason an adapter is modified in such a way.
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You forgot "make me write bad checks"...
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here's how I added a PCV to my 292. after reading a lot as to whether it would work or not, I fab'd a housing like the pic KULTULZ showed of the separator to fit in the rear of the block. I removed part of the separator side and I added a round section to hold a PCV (SBF 302 valve). ran a 3/8" line to a fitting in the front of the manifold with an aftermarket separator after the PCV to catch any oil from entering the manifold. So far after I would guess 1000 miles or so I've caught about 1/2 cup of oil in the separator. Runs the same and didn't even adj. the carb. I know the PCV is working because I can feel suction on the oil filler tube and no more fumes. I fab'd a new separator housing because I didn't want to alter the stock road draft set up until I knew the PCV would work.

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here's how I added a PCV to my 292. after reading a lot as to whether it would work or not, I fab'd a housing like the pic KULTULZ showed of the separator to fit in the rear of the block. I removed part of the separator side and I added a round section to hold a PCV (FSB 302 valve). ran a 3/8" line to a fitting in the front of the manifold with an aftermarket separator after the PCV to catch any oil from entering the manifold.

So far after I would guess 1000 miles or so I've caught about 1/2 cup of oil in the separator. Runs the same and didn't even adj. the carb. I know the PCV is working because I can feel suction on the oil filler tube and no more fumes. I fab'd a new separator housing because I didn't want to alter the stock road draft set up until I knew the PCV would work.
You're ahead of the game. I never mentioned a separator as most have trouble wanting to route the PVC SYSTEM correctly.

Your is a 1960 292 2V application with a rear mounted road draft tube I am assuming? A photo of the setup would be nice unless you are waiting for a a patent ...
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You're ahead of the game. I never mentioned a separator as most have trouble wanting to route the PVC SYSTEM correctly.

Your is a 1960 292 2V application with a rear mounted road draft tube I am assuming? A photo of the setup would be nice unless you are waiting for a a patent ...
Correct on the rear road draft. sorry but I've never figured out how to post pics.
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Ok, I'm lost! I like your jokes but please explain this one to me.... I'm not delicate and I have a great sense of humour (being 1/4 Irish) and I know human body functions but as I said I'm lost on this one.
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Ok, I'm lost! I like your jokes but please explain this one to me.... I'm not delicate and I have a great sense of humour (being 1/4 Irish) and I know human body functions but as I said I'm lost on this one.
It seems we have a SNOW FLAKE amongst us that has no sense of humor. I therefore decided to limit myself as to jokes so as not to possibly offend the delicates.

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It seems we have a SNOW FLAKE amongst us that has no sense of humor. I therefore decided to limit myself as to jokes so as not to possibly offend the delicates.

Does that help?

BTW - Which 1/4 is Irish?
Well that didn't help, PM me to educate me...I'm no snowflake! As far as being 1/4 Irish it's my musical ability, my humour, and my stubbornness!
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Well that didn't help, PM me to educate me...I'm no snowflake! As far as being 1/4 Irish it's my musical ability, my humour, and my stubbornness!
Another contributor here (within this thread) objected to my continual references to my sex life (or lack thereof). It is he/she/it that I am referring to, not you.
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Let's cut to the chase...is the power losses of auto trans the joke? All your other stuff I really find humourous...
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Let's cut to the chase...is the power losses of auto trans the joke? All your other stuff I really find humourous...
No, it is an isolated factoid, showing mainly showing drag between an FMX and C4..

I took the jokes down as one or two found them offensive.

I like to have fun, but I also don't want to see this page go as H.A.M.B. has.

I meant in no way to offend anyone except possibly the OP.
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Thanks. I tried and tried and saw no humour in that info ugh I was way out of the loop! Just sad seeing the HP loss on a C6 though...
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So we are straightened out now? I cannot afford to have anyone else mad at me because of my age.

My Old Lady can take me down ...
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Yep, we' re cool.Now start posting some more humour...
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Sounds like my old lady complaining again ...
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Here's a solution if later pans become scarce -
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Correct on the rear road draft. sorry but I've never figured out how to post pics.
Below is an ILL of an early FE road draft system and how easy it is to convert to PCV -
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