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bobusnick104 · 06-27-2018, 05:17 AM

I just had that problem. Sounded like chipmunks in a cage. Only heard it when there was high vacuum, like at idle. It was a vacuum leak between the carb and manifold. I removed the Tillotson carb and checked the flange flatness with a straight edge. It showed about .040" gap. With the carb in a vise, I used a file to face off the flange. Then checked the manifold for flatness and it was ok. New gasket and sealer and back on the road.

harryc · 06-27-2018, 12:31 PM

My first "chirp" when I was a kid driving my A daily in the 60's turned out to be a head gasket. The car wasn't missing or exhibiting any obvious problem other than the noise. I finally pulled the head at my dad's suggestion and discovered a tiny blow out on the back end of the head. I have also had the fan belt chirp as well. I just spray it with silicone and that ends it.

Purdy Swoft · 06-27-2018, 06:31 PM

I had a chirping sound that sounded like a chirping , slipping fan belt . It turned out to be the seals in the rear water pump bushing . I use the rear bushing that uses two seals in the water pumps that I rebuild for our model A's. I don't use antifreeze in warm weather because it increases cooling system temperatures . I was running water as a summer coolant .I added a small bottle of water pump lubricant , soluble oil , to the radiator and the chirp went away. Soluble oil also prevents rust in the cooling system . Works for me in all of our model A's .

100IH · 06-28-2018, 11:56 AM

Water spray on the edges of the belt should tell you if the belt or pulley area is the culprit.If so, look at the generator pulley. Some are cast iron and some are riveted together sheet metal. The riveted pulleys get bent sometimes so that the "v" on the pulley is pinched together and forces the belt up as the belt passes over the pulley creating a chirp sound. Also, the rivets can get loose letting the 2 halves move.

100IH · 06-28-2018, 12:07 PM

I hate it when that happens. Read right over the " It's fixed" Can't have too much good answers.

OL JENNY · 06-29-2018, 09:47 AM

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I fought the chirp also. I had installed a new crank and bronze timing gear and while doing this replaced my old front motor mount with a new original mount. I would have the dreaded chirp at lower rpm and to make it more confusing it would usually stop when the clutch was held in. Throw out right, no plenty of grease and not the problem. Changed fan belts, lubricated fan belts, new water pump, pulled hair out all to no avail. On a tour with the help of several club members we could get the chirp to stop by putting more tension on the alternator, but tightening the alternator did not solve the problem. To finish this up, I eventually realized when I cleaned up my frame and installed the new front motor mount correctly with the spring just tight enough to get the cotter key in the bolt, the plate was dry and all the grease had been removed and it was my motor mount chirping with certain tensions. A little lithium grease between the motor mount flat plate and the frame and my problem was solved. This only took 3 months and considerable frustration.

antiquepa · 07-01-2018, 11:15 AM

OL JENNY. Thanks for the post..I Think you just answered my problem!!

Bill Goddard · 07-26-2018, 09:02 AM

Old Jenny, I am trying to remove my front motor mount to replace the leather washer and springs to improve the lineup of the crank pulley to the radiator hole. I followed Les Andrews instructions but it seems he neglected to mention the crank pulley needed to be removed. Was this your experience too, or should I raise the motor more than a 'little bit" to get the mount out from under the pulley? Did you have to loosen the rear mounts? Bill G

Benson · 07-26-2018, 09:13 AM

Bill B,

Some say to remove only 1 bolt on each side.

My experience is that it is safer to remove all four and only go as high as needed. You do not want to break a flywheel housing.

gustafson · 07-26-2018, 09:17 AM

and away we go with a 2 yr old resolved thread morphed into a motor mount issue LOL

OL JENNY · 07-26-2018, 09:40 AM

Yes Bill I did loosen the rear mounts when I originally changed my front motor mount. It was after having everything clean and painted (and unfortunately dry) that I had the chirp. I had removed the crank pully because I installed the matched set of gears. My chirp has not returned since I have lubricated the plate under the front motor mount.

California Travieso · 07-26-2018, 10:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by harryc

My first "chirp" when I was a kid driving my A daily in the 60's turned out to be a head gasket. The car wasn't missing or exhibiting any obvious problem other than the noise. I finally pulled the head at my dad's suggestion and discovered a tiny blow out on the back end of the head. I have also had the fan belt chirp as well. I just spray it with silicone and that ends it.

Harry,

They say you always remember your "first chirp"!

David Serrano

BILL WILLIAMSON · 07-26-2018, 10:30 AM

Can't help you, still have a CHIRP-CHIRP-CHIRP, in my Left Ear, that I brought home from a RE-HAB. Once I brought home a "floater", in my Left Eye, still there!
Bill Pathetic

monto · 07-26-2018, 05:31 PM

Ditto on the dry distributor shaft.

Barry B./ Ma. · 07-26-2018, 07:04 PM

Sounds like it could be the spring plunger at the end of the camshaft. remove the front cover and clean out the oil hole in the casting, clean and oil the spring plunger and it should be ok.

Tom Wesenberg · 07-27-2018, 04:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Barry B./ Ma.

Sounds like it could be the spring plunger at the end of the camshaft. remove the front cover and clean out the oil hole in the casting, clean and oil the spring plunger and it should be ok.

That's exactly what I found on an engine I started for a customer. The guy who rebuilt the engine must have put the plunger and spring together dry. It took several short runs before the squeak went away. Every moving part needs lubrication.

BILL WILLIAMSON · 07-27-2018, 07:41 AM

A QUICK, TEMPORARY way to quiet a fan belt: Just spray the inside of it, with PLAIN old water! When it dries, the noise will come back.
THEN, it's time to adjust or replace it. DON'T rub soap or any other GOOP, on it, fan belts only grip well, with a COMPLETELY DRY surface!!! When you replace a belt, save it in the trunk, with its' I.D. jacket, for future reference, or to use for an "EMERGENCY" spare. Same with hoses.
Bill Squirt

06-27-2018, 05:17 AM	#21
bobusnick104 Member Join Date: Feb 2014 Location: SW PA Posts: 87	Re: chirp, chirp, chirp - Update I just had that problem. Sounded like chipmunks in a cage. Only heard it when there was high vacuum, like at idle. It was a vacuum leak between the carb and manifold. I removed the Tillotson carb and checked the flange flatness with a straight edge. It showed about .040" gap. With the carb in a vise, I used a file to face off the flange. Then checked the manifold for flatness and it was ok. New gasket and sealer and back on the road. __________________ It's only money, we'll make more tomorrow.

06-27-2018, 12:31 PM	#22
harryc Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2012 Location: CA Posts: 206	Re: chirp, chirp, chirp - Update My first "chirp" when I was a kid driving my A daily in the 60's turned out to be a head gasket. The car wasn't missing or exhibiting any obvious problem other than the noise. I finally pulled the head at my dad's suggestion and discovered a tiny blow out on the back end of the head. I have also had the fan belt chirp as well. I just spray it with silicone and that ends it.

06-27-2018, 06:31 PM	#23
Purdy Swoft Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Alabama Posts: 8,099	Re: chirp, chirp, chirp - Update I had a chirping sound that sounded like a chirping , slipping fan belt . It turned out to be the seals in the rear water pump bushing . I use the rear bushing that uses two seals in the water pumps that I rebuild for our model A's. I don't use antifreeze in warm weather because it increases cooling system temperatures . I was running water as a summer coolant .I added a small bottle of water pump lubricant , soluble oil , to the radiator and the chirp went away. Soluble oil also prevents rust in the cooling system . Works for me in all of our model A's .

06-28-2018, 11:56 AM	#24
100IH Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: SW Idaho Posts: 970	Re: chirp, chirp, chirp - Update Water spray on the edges of the belt should tell you if the belt or pulley area is the culprit.If so, look at the generator pulley. Some are cast iron and some are riveted together sheet metal. The riveted pulleys get bent sometimes so that the "v" on the pulley is pinched together and forces the belt up as the belt passes over the pulley creating a chirp sound. Also, the rivets can get loose letting the 2 halves move.

06-28-2018, 12:07 PM	#25
100IH Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: SW Idaho Posts: 970	Re: chirp, chirp, chirp - Update I hate it when that happens. Read right over the " It's fixed" Can't have too much good answers.

06-29-2018, 09:47 AM	#26
OL JENNY Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2012 Location: Muscatine, IA Posts: 223	Re: chirp, chirp, chirp - Update Sponsored Links (Register now to hide all advertisements) I fought the chirp also. I had installed a new crank and bronze timing gear and while doing this replaced my old front motor mount with a new original mount. I would have the dreaded chirp at lower rpm and to make it more confusing it would usually stop when the clutch was held in. Throw out right, no plenty of grease and not the problem. Changed fan belts, lubricated fan belts, new water pump, pulled hair out all to no avail. On a tour with the help of several club members we could get the chirp to stop by putting more tension on the alternator, but tightening the alternator did not solve the problem. To finish this up, I eventually realized when I cleaned up my frame and installed the new front motor mount correctly with the spring just tight enough to get the cotter key in the bolt, the plate was dry and all the grease had been removed and it was my motor mount chirping with certain tensions. A little lithium grease between the motor mount flat plate and the frame and my problem was solved. This only took 3 months and considerable frustration.

07-01-2018, 11:15 AM	#27
antiquepa Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: wheeling west virginia Posts: 231	Re: chirp, chirp, chirp - Update OL JENNY. Thanks for the post..I Think you just answered my problem!!

07-26-2018, 09:02 AM	#28
Bill Goddard Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Shrewsbury,Pa Posts: 513	Re: chirp, chirp, chirp - Update Old Jenny, I am trying to remove my front motor mount to replace the leather washer and springs to improve the lineup of the crank pulley to the radiator hole. I followed Les Andrews instructions but it seems he neglected to mention the crank pulley needed to be removed. Was this your experience too, or should I raise the motor more than a 'little bit" to get the mount out from under the pulley? Did you have to loosen the rear mounts? Bill G

07-26-2018, 09:13 AM	#29
Benson Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 2,594	Re: chirp, chirp, chirp - Update Bill B, Some say to remove only 1 bolt on each side. My experience is that it is safer to remove all four and only go as high as needed. You do not want to break a flywheel housing.

07-26-2018, 09:17 AM	#30
gustafson BANNED Join Date: Oct 2017 Posts: 128	Re: chirp, chirp, chirp - Update and away we go with a 2 yr old resolved thread morphed into a motor mount issue LOL

07-26-2018, 09:40 AM	#31
OL JENNY Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2012 Location: Muscatine, IA Posts: 223	Re: chirp, chirp, chirp - Update Yes Bill I did loosen the rear mounts when I originally changed my front motor mount. It was after having everything clean and painted (and unfortunately dry) that I had the chirp. I had removed the crank pully because I installed the matched set of gears. My chirp has not returned since I have lubricated the plate under the front motor mount.

07-26-2018, 10:30 AM	#33
BILL WILLIAMSON Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: FRESNO, CA Posts: 12,560	Re: chirp, chirp, chirp - Update Can't help you, still have a CHIRP-CHIRP-CHIRP, in my Left Ear, that I brought home from a RE-HAB. Once I brought home a "floater", in my Left Eye, still there! Bill Pathetic __________________ "THE ASSISTANT GURU OF STUFF"

07-26-2018, 05:31 PM	#34
monto Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2015 Location: NH Posts: 182	Re: chirp, chirp, chirp - Update Ditto on the dry distributor shaft. __________________ '30 Coupe

07-26-2018, 07:04 PM	#35
Barry B./ Ma. Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Southbridge, Ma. Posts: 1,614	Re: chirp, chirp, chirp - Update Sounds like it could be the spring plunger at the end of the camshaft. remove the front cover and clean out the oil hole in the casting, clean and oil the spring plunger and it should be ok.

07-27-2018, 07:41 AM	#37
BILL WILLIAMSON Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: FRESNO, CA Posts: 12,560	Re: chirp, chirp, chirp - Update A QUICK, TEMPORARY way to quiet a fan belt: Just spray the inside of it, with PLAIN old water! When it dries, the noise will come back. THEN, it's time to adjust or replace it. DON'T rub soap or any other GOOP, on it, fan belts only grip well, with a COMPLETELY DRY surface!!! When you replace a belt, save it in the trunk, with its' I.D. jacket, for future reference, or to use for an "EMERGENCY" spare. Same with hoses. Bill Squirt __________________ "THE ASSISTANT GURU OF STUFF" Last edited by BILL WILLIAMSON; 07-27-2018 at 09:03 AM.