'34 engine splash pan question

[pebo va]

How does one install the right side engine splash pan with engine in place ? Can it be done by removing just the starter??

[petehoovie]

I don't recall having any problem installing the right side splash pan on my '34 - didn't have to remove anything. Is it possible that the splash pan you have is not correct for the car? Can you post a picture of the splash pan you have?....

[jimTN]

When I pulled the engine from my 34 the first time, had to pull the starter. Replaced the front engine mounts to raise the engine to where it should be and had no trouble putting the splash pan back on with the starter on.

[pebo va]

There are two things that are in the way. The starter and the exhaust pipe. I know it is the correct pan as it was on the car when I removed the engine. I am hoping that removing the starter will allow me to install the pan. I really don't want to deal with removing the exhaust system.

[petehoovie]

Post a picture of what you're dealing with.

Here's a picture of the right splash pan on my '34....

[Bubsyouruncle]

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While I do not have the problem presented, How did the factory do it?

Was the engine in place and the pans added after? Or the other way around?

I think if I were doing it on a production line the pans would go in after the engine. Why make the guys handling 600 or 700 pounds of iron have to deal with a couple of pieces of tin can?

[mercman from oz]

Here are a pair of RHD Splash Pans for the 1934 Ford. The lower photo shows the right hand Pan in place. In addition to the Starter Motor, we have to also contend with the RHD Steering. It gets a little crowded down there? I didn't have any problems fitting these Pans to my car, however, it is a known fact, that in the early years of these cars, when the motor was replaced, most Mechanics discarded the Pans. That was the case in Australia, don't know if the same problem existed in the USA?

[Reconnoiter]

I had to remove the exhaust “y” pipe from the manifold to install mine, left the starter in place.

https://www.fordbarn.com/forum/showthread.php?t=240450

[Graham Freeman]

With regards to the rhd splash pans in the photo above, the one on the right is actually 1933. The piece at the bottom right was actually cut back on 1934 due to a stiffening bracket for the front cross member.
As 1933 did not have this it enabled the pan to be fitted to the lower chassis flange as well making it very stiff.

[Steve Staysko]

When I installed the engine pans on my 34 roadster I didn't need to remove anything slid them in bolted them up.

[petehoovie]

Ditto - What Steve said above ^

[Reconnoiter]

Originally Posted by Steve Staysko

When I installed the engine pans on my 34 roadster I didn't need to remove anything slid them in bolted them up.

Did you slide the right one in from the bottom or the top? Just curious, as I tried mine both ways at first, but i would have wound up having to bend/squeeze and cram it in thus scratching things up along the way. So, with unbolting of the y pipe, dropped it down and it went in easy. As for the left side, that one was easy access.

[Karl]

I would love to find a RHD set to compete my 34 -but not hopeful
The question of course is did they serve any purpose . On the Model A I believe that they improved cooling and also helped in grounding the electrical circuits , not sure about the V8-Karl

[petehoovie]

Originally Posted by Reconnoiter

Did you slide the right one in from the bottom or the top? .

I installed mine from the bottom....

[petehoovie]

Originally Posted by Karl

I would love to find a RHD set to compete my 34 -but not hopeful
The question of course is did they serve any purpose . On the Model A I believe that they improved cooling and also helped in grounding the electrical circuits , not sure about the V8-Karl

Just looking at the right side shield installed on the V8's, it appears they served as both a heat shield and as a splash shield for the starter. They were appropriately named....

[pebo va]

Thanks for all the comments. It looks like the only way to install it without damaging anything is to remove the Y pipe and separating it from the cross-over pipe. Nothing is ever easy when dealing with an 84 year old car.

[Steve Staysko]

Woah stop the clock you do not need to remove anything from the engine, the pan on the drivers side bolts to the bottom of the frame rail and the engine pan on the passengers side bolts to the underside of the top frame rail. I think your problem is that you think both engine pan bolting flanges sit on the top side of the frame rails and then bolt from the top side and that is not the case! As stated they both need to be installed from the bottom up.

[mercman from oz]

Here is a comparison photo of a pair of Splash Pans. The top one shows the end has been cut off, as mentioned by Graham Freeman. Is the top one correct for the 34 model and the bottom one correct for the 33 model?

[Graham Freeman]

You are right, top one is 34 the bottom one 33.

[DavidG]

Trevor,

I believe that both are '33 V8 pans. The lower one is likely very rare as it was used on early '33s which still had the same front motor mount spacing as the '32s (12") whereas the upper one was used on '33s with the later 17" front motor mount spacing.

The increased width of the '34 front cross member at the rear sides (compared to either version of the two different '33 cross members) necessitated a further shortening of both of the pans, including the left side (as it did with the LHD version shown below). Further, I believe that the right side RHD pan shown in your earlier photo is also a '33 pan for the same reason. It is too long to clear the back of a '34 front cross member.