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Old 12-18-2018, 10:50 AM   #1
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I have just acquired a New Zealand 1930 Phaeton. The engine number shows as CAU 1350 ,which if correct, puts it as August 1930. But can anyone explain the significance/decode the numbers that are on the body rail by the left front door 6F2581 for me? Many Thanks.
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Old 12-18-2018, 03:17 PM   #2
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It reminds me of an older Ford part number???
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I think it refers to where it was built and a sequential number. TC is a twin city built car, not sure about 6F.
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Old 12-18-2018, 05:28 PM   #4
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I'm not sure what the 6F means but all of mine have had the same marking and all have been New Zealand New. Where abouts in NZ did your car come from -Karl
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These are typical Canadian markings for the Phaeton, my 1930 35B is body 6F1903 with the original engine CAT3610, the sister car to mine which came to Alaska at the same time is 6F1426 which was engine CAE95XX.

The newest edition of the Restoration Guidelines Canadian section addresses this l believe, when l get home later l will give an update.

The 6 represents Phaeton, the F is the assembly plant, the numbers represent sequence.

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Sort of looks familiar.

We certainly got the CAExxxx engine numbers here. Can't of been many of them.
Thousands of gallons of that green paint must have been sold.

Fords here were heavily marketed as being British cars at the time.
This was before all the "empire" stuff was dumped when Britain joined the EU.
Doesn't seem to have panned out too well, that...
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The newest edition of the Model A Restoration Guidelines and Judging Revised 2016 Canadian Model A's Area 13 says the following, in part:

Ford Motor Company of Canada, Ltd assembly plant production numbers were stamped into the floor side sill (sub-rail) just inside the door or on the cross sill adjacent to the floorboard usually on the left side.

Letter Plant Location
F Ford City / East Winsor, Ontario
M Montreal, Quebec
T Toronto, Ontario
W Winnipeg, Manitoba
V Vancover, British Columbia

"F" Series Bodies

Many of the vehicles produced in Canada were supplies with bodies imported from the USA. Body styles such as the Cabriolet Sedan, Victoria, Station Wagon and Town Sedan were often inported complete wirh paint and upholstery.

Most, but not all bodies were stamped with an "F" code on the sub rail along with a production number. The "F" series system was modified in late 1929. On these vehicles, the letter "F" is preceded by a number, indicating the body style. Below is a chart of known "F" codes for vehicles used by Ford Motor Company of Canada, Ltd.

6F 35-A, B Phaeton
6F 180-A De Luxe Phaeton

There is a long list of codes, l will try to enter them yet this evening, along with additional information.

Darryl in Fairbanks.

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Sort of looks familiar.

We certainly got the CAExxxx engine numbers here. Can't of been many of them.
Thousands of gallons of that green paint must have been sold.

Fords here were heavily marketed as being British cars at the time.
This was before all the "empire" stuff was dumped when Britain joined the EU.
Doesn't seem to have panned out too well, that...
Yes, our cars were CA (letter) XXXX numbers with nothing stamped on the chassis
When the Brits joined the EU and crapped on the rest of the commonwealth, they were NOT popular. Not sure any of us will have them back. That was the second time they $#!T on us (Australia). The first time was by Churchill who is remebered here with distain.
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I have just acquired a New Zealand 1930 Phaeton. The engine number shows as CAU 1350 ,which if correct, puts it as August 1930. But can anyone explain the significance/decode the numbers that are on the body rail by the left front door 6F2581 for me? Many Thanks.
John,

According to the Overseas Shipments in 1930 from Canada to New Zealand...Your 1930 Phaeton was one of 1,124 that were shipped that year to New Zealand alone.

I have been working on Model A production of each vehicle for which Canada assembled...That is the easy part...but then just how many of a particular vehicle's total actually stayed in Canada and how many went to varrious foreign markets such as New Zealand is the thing...Thank God I have that information and hope to get it out soon.

This is minus the Australian market, which Canada also supplied...but that is an entire different subject matter which certain Australians can deal with (I got them going but I have no idea where they are on it...good luck to them).

Pluck

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Yes, our cars were CA (letter) XXXX numbers with nothing stamped on the chassis
When the Brits joined the EU and crapped on the rest of the commonwealth, they were NOT popular. Not sure any of us will have them back. That was the second time they $#!T on us (Australia). The first time was by Churchill who is remebered here with distain.

I presume regards Churchill you mean Gallipoli . If so us Kiwis got hit as well
but I figure he made up for it in WW2 . At least we aren't all speaking German or eating rice today - Karl
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I presume regards Churchill you mean Gallipoli . If so us Kiwis got hit as well
but I figure he made up for it in WW2 . At least we aren't all speaking German or eating rice today - Karl
No, Not Gallipoli and we know very well how ANZAC was born. Long may it prevail.
When the allies claimed victory in the Middle East because an Australian breakthrough enabled the construction of tanks much more rapidly than ever before, our troops were able to depart that part of the world. By now, Japan was heading our way and they HAD to be stopped. Churchill knew that we were relying on those troop but turned the ships in to India for provisions anyway so they could go to defend Britain and allow Australia to fall. Our PM of the day went through Churchill like a packet of salts and brought the troops home anyway - well, to New Guinea, actually so they could stop the Japs. They did that on the Kokoda Track - look it up. At the same time the US navy stopped the Japs on the oceans (battle of the Coral Sea ). We stopped them on land. Churchill's actions are reviled here today and he is regarded as a rat.
I'm trying not to get too strong about this but I'm sure you will be able to see why he is scum here.
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Getting a bit off topic ...
But the story of the cable girls is interesting. They decrypted/encrypted the cables between Churchill, Curtin (our PM) and the US president at the time. Our PM was desperate, and it shows in the cables. Our troops, what there was of them, were diverted to Burma (to protect the rubber plantations for the British if I remember rightly).
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-06-...e-shed/7538292
West Block was next to parliament house at the time, before the new one was built.


PS. A bit about Burma
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...se-jungle.html

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Getting a bit off topic ...
But the story of the cable girls is interesting. They decrypted/encrypted the cables between Churchill, Curtin (our PM) and the US president at the time. Our PM was desperate, and it shows in the cables. Our troops, what there was of them, were diverted to Burma (to protect the rubber plantations for the British if I remember rightly).
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-06-...e-shed/7538292
West Block was next to parliament house at the time, before the new one was built.
If that is true, it's even worse. He was prepared to let Australia fall for the sake of a few rubber platations!?!?!
What was the topic again?
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