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William Kelchner · 07-26-2016, 10:59 AM

How much 600wt gear oil does the transmission hold. Want to change mine as I have no clue how long it has been in there, at least 11 years. Looks like a messy job. TIA

Bill Kelchner

Tom Wesenberg · 07-26-2016, 11:56 AM

Warm the tranny up with a good drive, then pull the drain plug and let it drain over night. One quart should be enough, but just keep filling until it's ready to flow out the fill plug.

Buy extra oil so you can refill as needed.

William Kelchner · 07-26-2016, 12:03 PM

Thanks Tom.

C26Pinelake · 07-26-2016, 01:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Tom Wesenberg

Warm the tranny up with a good drive, then pull the drain plug and let it drain over night. One quart should be enough, but just keep filling until it's ready to flow out the fill plug.

Buy extra oil so you can refill as needed.

Great advice on all three counts! Wayne

William Kelchner · 07-26-2016, 01:44 PM

Looks like I'm going to have to order this oil as there is none in the village of Warrenton Va.

Keith True · 07-26-2016, 03:27 PM

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Remember,it is 600W oil,not 600 weight.That was a designation that somehow got morphed into WT over the years.If you try to research the specs for 600W in that time period you will find the viscosity was between 140-240.A few years ago I drained all my cars out over the winter,in the spring I filled them all with 90WT.It was what I had a drum of in my garage.I figured it would wash out any of the old tallow stuff left,then I could put in something else.I never bothered,it is still in there.

William Kelchner · 07-26-2016, 04:16 PM

Thanks Keith I was not aware of that.

Chuck Sea/Tac · 07-26-2016, 05:07 PM

You could try 140 weight, with a little thickener addititive if needed. Sorry can't think of the name at this moment.

daveymc29 · 07-26-2016, 05:13 PM

Stp?

eagle · 07-26-2016, 05:26 PM

Put in Lucas Oil Stabilizer. It works great.

Nabco · 07-26-2016, 05:45 PM

I'm using Lucas Oil Stabilizer in mine now and she never shifted better.

jheinrichs · 07-27-2016, 10:37 AM

Is it better to use 100% Lucas Oil Stabilizer or a mixture of Lucas and 600W? If mixed, what ratio? Still having trouble down shifting.

William Kelchner · 07-27-2016, 11:32 AM

hey thanks for the info looks like Lucas Oil Stabilizer it is. If it is suitable for the xmssion I presume it can be used in the rear and steering box?

Joe K · 07-27-2016, 11:42 AM

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Originally Posted by daveymc29

Stp?

Ha, ha. YOU KNOW full well that STP is NOT AN OIL.

Trolling its called.

Joe K
STP 100 percent and still going strong.

Patrick L. · 07-27-2016, 12:44 PM

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Originally Posted by William Kelchner

hey thanks for the info looks like Lucas Oil Stabilizer it is. If it is suitable for the xmssion I presume it can be used in the rear and steering box?

Let us know how it works out. We'll [ I'll ] be interested. It foamed so bad it made mine unshiftable.

Patrick L. · 07-27-2016, 12:47 PM

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Originally Posted by jheinrichs

Is it better to use 100% Lucas Oil Stabilizer or a mixture of Lucas and 600W? If mixed, what ratio? Still having trouble down shifting.

What oil are you using now ?
How long have you been trying to figure this shifting thing out ? It takes time.
Just a suggestion, try raising the engine speed even more and see that helps.

Brian T · 07-27-2016, 12:49 PM

Can someone tell me about Lucas oil stabilizer, is it the same consistency as STP.?, ---- I am interested if anyone recommends a anti foam additive for the transmission oil.

Nabco · 07-27-2016, 01:49 PM

I'm using Lucas Oil Stabilizer in both the trany and steering box, have not seen any foaming....

eagle · 07-27-2016, 08:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Patrick L.

Let us know how it works out. We'll [ I'll ] be interested. It foamed so bad it made mine unshiftable.

The Lucas HUB oil foams, I have had NO issues with the oil stabilizer foaming. Works well in differential too. Maybe reacting to whatever you had in transmission before????

William Kelchner · 07-28-2016, 12:14 PM

Well now that the car is running somewhat decent I crawled under to drain the transmission. Stuck a finger in the fill hole and it came out bone dry. Took out the drain plug and got all of 1/2 cup of black something........I double clutch and never had any problem shifting,or grinding but the car had what I thought sounded like gear whine. My friend up the road Quigely provided me with some 600W gear oil. I'll let this thing drain (drip) overnight per Tom W. suggestion, get some oil in there and go for a spin tomorrow. Cheers

jheinrichs · 07-29-2016, 09:20 AM

I purchased the 1929 pickup this January and started driving it in May. I've put just under 200 miles on it. I drained the tranny last week and put in 100% Lucas Oil Stabilizer. I assume the old oil was 600W as the previous owner included a plain plastic quart bottle of oil and had labeled it 600W. I drove the truck 5 miles and had more trouble downshifting but did have to add about a half an inch of oil when Ichecked the next day.

Tom Smith · 07-30-2016, 01:18 PM

Tam's is the only supplier that I'm aware of selling the correct 600W. Use straight from container. Available in quarts or gallons.

RonC · 07-31-2016, 06:01 AM

This is the real deal. There are a few other brands. Shell Omala S2 G 680
www.kellerheartt.com

Mitch//pa · 07-31-2016, 09:08 AM

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Originally Posted by William Kelchner

Well now that the car is running somewhat decent I crawled under to drain the transmission. Stuck a finger in the fill hole and it came out bone dry. Took out the drain plug and got all of 1/2 cup of black something........I double clutch and never had any problem shifting,or grinding but the car had what I thought sounded like gear whine. My friend up the road Quigely provided me with some 600W gear oil. I'll let this thing drain (drip) overnight per Tom W. suggestion, get some oil in there and go for a spin tomorrow. Cheers

Nothing good can come From that scenario...

William Kelchner · 07-31-2016, 09:17 AM

I feel the same way every time I drive the car.

Art Newland · 07-31-2016, 10:58 AM

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This whole 600W thing is frustrating. My car had straight STP in it when I got it. Everything seemed to work OK, I put 50/50 lucas 85w-90/stabilizer. Just because it was easy to obtain. I don't really notice any difference in the operation. The Lucas combo leaks quite a bit more. I was given some 600W from one of the A suppliers, was surprised it wasn't really any thicker consistency than what I already put in it.

Patrick L. · 07-31-2016, 02:33 PM

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Originally Posted by RonC

This is the real deal. There are a few other brands. Shell Omala S2 G 680
www.kellerheartt.com

Works out to about $6/Qt with free shipping.

Art Newland · 07-31-2016, 02:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Patrick L.

Works out to about $6/Qt with free shipping.

Can you buy less than 5 gallons?

Patrick L. · 07-31-2016, 03:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Art Newland

Can you buy less than 5 gallons?

Nope, doesn't appear so.

RonC · 07-31-2016, 04:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Art Newland

Can you buy less than 5 gallons?

It's only sold in 5 gallon pails or larger drums

Mike V. Florida · 07-31-2016, 11:15 PM

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Originally Posted by RonC

This is the real deal. There are a few other brands. Shell Omala S2 G 680
www.kellerheartt.com

What makes you say this is the "real deal" as 600W is a Mobil trademark?

"The Mobil Cylinder Oil brand of lubricants represents the earliest lubricant product marketed by our Corporation's predecessor companies. 600W Cylinder Oil was produced by the Vacuum Oil Company in the second half of the 19th century and was a breakthrough product of its time. Continual upgrading and application of the latest base oil and additive technology has maintained this product series as a leader in its application areas. While steam cylinder applications are now less common, the reputation of Mobil Cylinder Oils in worm gear applications remains unmatched among mineral-based products."

The original 600w was ISO 680 with the nearest SAE gear oil equivalent being SAE 250. Ford changed to SAE 250 in 1932.

A Model A will survive almost anything (even straight STP!) or why else would there be so many survivors. Based on what I have read here over the years, seems a great many owners drive no more than a few hundred miles a year. With that just about anything will work and the effects would not be seen the owners lifetime.

BILL WILLIAMSON · 08-01-2016, 09:35 AM

Depending on your climate, why not just use 90W or 140W?-----SIMPLE!
Bill W.

Patrick L. · 08-01-2016, 02:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BILL WILLIAMSON

Depending on your climate, why not just use 90W or 140W?-----SIMPLE!
Bill W.

Used to use only 140 weight years ago in just about everything. Bought it by the drum. Works fine. Oh, the days back when things were simpler.

The literature I've read shows 600W in the 160-240 range.

I've tried 90, 140, 250, 600W over the years and they work fine. The only I didn't like was the Lucas crap. Haven't tried STP and not about to.

Synchro909 · 08-01-2016, 06:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Mike V. Florida

A Model A will survive almost anything (even straight STP!) or why else would there be so many survivors. Based on what I have read here over the years, seems a great many owners drive no more than a few hundred miles a year. With that just about anything will work and the effects would not be seen the owners lifetime.

I've bought 2 Model As out of the US. When I received the first one, the gearbox was so dry there was just enough oil in the bottom for the big gear on the lower shaft to dip. When I asked the PO about that, he said "That might be right, I've never checked it"

. The gears were all galled but the bearings ran quiet so I flushed out the sparkly bits and refilled with my usual 250 grade transmission oil. I've done several thousand miles since and all is running well so far.

The second car had just been serviced by a current Ford dealer. WHAT A MESS. The brakes were so far out of adjustment they were dangerous

, the diff was bone dry and the Mitchell O/D only contained about 200ml (6-7 ounces) of oil.

My guess is that they didn't have the tool to undo the plugs with the square holes so they left them. I drained, flushed and refilled the diff. It survived

. I drained and refilled the O/D with GL5 EP gear oil and it also is OK.
The car had been "serviced" only just before it was sold (to me) and had done only 13 miles since. The sticker on the windscreen said the next service was due 3,000 miles down the road. Must be some super oil to go that far without an oil filter. These people were IDIOTS, yet the Model A survived.
I won't identify the dealer other than to say they are in AZ unless someone asks in a PM.

Mitch//pa · 08-01-2016, 06:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Synchro909

I've bought 2 Model As out of the US. When I received the first one, the gearbox was so dry there was just enough oil in the bottom for the big gear on the lower shaft to dip. When I asked the PO about that, he said "That might be right, I've never checked it"

. The gears were all galled but the bearings ran quiet so I flushed out the sparkly bits and refilled with my usual 250 grade transmission oil. I've done several thousand miles since and all is running well so far.

The second car had just been serviced by a current Ford dealer. WHAT A MESS. The brakes were so far out of adjustment they were dangerous

, the diff was bone dry and the Mitchell O/D only contained about 200ml (6-7 ounces) of oil.

My guess is that they didn't have the tool to undo the plugs with the square holes so they left them. I drained, flushed and refilled the diff. It survived

. I drained and refilled the O/D with GL5 EP gear oil and it also is OK.
The car had been "serviced" only just before it was sold (to me) and had done only 13 miles since. The sticker on the windscreen said the next service was due was 3,000 miles down the road. Must be some super oil to go that far without an oil filter. These people were IDIOTS!
I won't identify the dealer other than to say they are in AZ unless someone asks in a PM.

You don't have to ,, they are all the same..

Synchro909 · 08-01-2016, 06:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Mitch//pa

You don't have to ,, they are all the same..

Mitch, You're probably right. That's a scary thought.

Mitch//pa · 08-01-2016, 06:26 PM

I worked the dealership line for 15 years...
It's not what it used to be ..
All they look to do is sell unneeded cash services , p/s flushes, brake flushes etc.. Mileage services which is mostly check this and that for 300.00. Which in my state most of it falls under state inspection so it gets checked then.
They try and make the consumer think in order to keep the warranty valid the vehicle has to get serviced by them.. They hire these kids from tech schools who graduate and can't even air a tire properly or set a lift...
Probably the person that serviced your A was that kid from the other thread about the parts counter idiot.

07-26-2016, 10:59 AM	#1
William Kelchner Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: Warrenton, Va. Posts: 459	Xmission Oil How much 600wt gear oil does the transmission hold. Want to change mine as I have no clue how long it has been in there, at least 11 years. Looks like a messy job. TIA Bill Kelchner

07-26-2016, 11:56 AM	#2
Tom Wesenberg Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Mpls, MN Posts: 27,582	Re: Xmission Oil Warm the tranny up with a good drive, then pull the drain plug and let it drain over night. One quart should be enough, but just keep filling until it's ready to flow out the fill plug. Buy extra oil so you can refill as needed.

07-26-2016, 12:03 PM	#3
William Kelchner Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: Warrenton, Va. Posts: 459	Re: Xmission Oil Thanks Tom.

07-26-2016, 01:44 PM	#5
William Kelchner Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: Warrenton, Va. Posts: 459	Re: Xmission Oil Looks like I'm going to have to order this oil as there is none in the village of Warrenton Va.

07-26-2016, 03:27 PM	#6
Keith True Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Epping N.H. Posts: 2,987	Re: Xmission Oil Sponsored Links (Register now to hide all advertisements) Remember,it is 600W oil,not 600 weight.That was a designation that somehow got morphed into WT over the years.If you try to research the specs for 600W in that time period you will find the viscosity was between 140-240.A few years ago I drained all my cars out over the winter,in the spring I filled them all with 90WT.It was what I had a drum of in my garage.I figured it would wash out any of the old tallow stuff left,then I could put in something else.I never bothered,it is still in there.

07-26-2016, 04:16 PM	#7
William Kelchner Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: Warrenton, Va. Posts: 459	Re: Xmission Oil Thanks Keith I was not aware of that.

07-26-2016, 05:07 PM	#8
Chuck Sea/Tac Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Between Seattle & Tacoma Posts: 2,354	Re: Xmission Oil You could try 140 weight, with a little thickener addititive if needed. Sorry can't think of the name at this moment.

07-26-2016, 05:13 PM	#9
daveymc29 Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Danville, CA Posts: 1,554	Re: Xmission Oil Stp?

07-26-2016, 05:26 PM	#10
eagle Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Eagle Bend, MN Posts: 2,025	Re: Xmission Oil Put in Lucas Oil Stabilizer. It works great. __________________ "There are some that can destroy an anvil with a teaspoon and shouldn't be allowed to touch anything resembling a tool."

07-26-2016, 05:45 PM	#11
Nabco Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2014 Location: Dublin, OH & Clyde, NC Posts: 494	Re: Xmission Oil I'm using Lucas Oil Stabilizer in mine now and she never shifted better. __________________ 1930 Deluxe Coupe "Sister"

07-27-2016, 10:37 AM	#12
jheinrichs Junior Member Join Date: Jul 2016 Location: Warba MN Posts: 2	Re: Xmission Oil Is it better to use 100% Lucas Oil Stabilizer or a mixture of Lucas and 600W? If mixed, what ratio? Still having trouble down shifting.

07-27-2016, 11:32 AM	#13
William Kelchner Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: Warrenton, Va. Posts: 459	Re: Xmission Oil hey thanks for the info looks like Lucas Oil Stabilizer it is. If it is suitable for the xmssion I presume it can be used in the rear and steering box?

07-27-2016, 12:49 PM	#17
Brian T Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: San Diego,Ca Posts: 1,377	Re: Xmission Oil Can someone tell me about Lucas oil stabilizer, is it the same consistency as STP.?, ---- I am interested if anyone recommends a anti foam additive for the transmission oil. __________________ Nothing can be made foolproof, ---- fools are ingenious bastards.

07-27-2016, 01:49 PM	#18
Nabco Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2014 Location: Dublin, OH & Clyde, NC Posts: 494	Re: Xmission Oil I'm using Lucas Oil Stabilizer in both the trany and steering box, have not seen any foaming.... __________________ 1930 Deluxe Coupe "Sister"

07-28-2016, 12:14 PM	#20
William Kelchner Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: Warrenton, Va. Posts: 459	Re: Xmission Oil Well now that the car is running somewhat decent I crawled under to drain the transmission. Stuck a finger in the fill hole and it came out bone dry. Took out the drain plug and got all of 1/2 cup of black something........I double clutch and never had any problem shifting,or grinding but the car had what I thought sounded like gear whine. My friend up the road Quigely provided me with some 600W gear oil. I'll let this thing drain (drip) overnight per Tom W. suggestion, get some oil in there and go for a spin tomorrow. Cheers

07-29-2016, 09:20 AM	#21
jheinrichs Junior Member Join Date: Jul 2016 Location: Warba MN Posts: 2	Re: Xmission Oil I purchased the 1929 pickup this January and started driving it in May. I've put just under 200 miles on it. I drained the tranny last week and put in 100% Lucas Oil Stabilizer. I assume the old oil was 600W as the previous owner included a plain plastic quart bottle of oil and had labeled it 600W. I drove the truck 5 miles and had more trouble downshifting but did have to add about a half an inch of oil when Ichecked the next day.

07-30-2016, 01:18 PM	#22
Tom Smith Member Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Spencerport,NY Posts: 45	Re: Xmission Oil Tam's is the only supplier that I'm aware of selling the correct 600W. Use straight from container. Available in quarts or gallons.

07-31-2016, 06:01 AM	#23
RonC Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Rhode Island Posts: 1,868	Re: Xmission Oil This is the real deal. There are a few other brands. Shell Omala S2 G 680 www.kellerheartt.com

07-31-2016, 09:17 AM	#25
William Kelchner Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: Warrenton, Va. Posts: 459	Re: Xmission Oil I feel the same way every time I drive the car.

07-31-2016, 10:58 AM	#26
Art Newland Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2016 Location: Lynden, WA Posts: 1,564	Re: Xmission Oil Sponsored Links (Register now to hide all advertisements) This whole 600W thing is frustrating. My car had straight STP in it when I got it. Everything seemed to work OK, I put 50/50 lucas 85w-90/stabilizer. Just because it was easy to obtain. I don't really notice any difference in the operation. The Lucas combo leaks quite a bit more. I was given some 600W from one of the A suppliers, was surprised it wasn't really any thicker consistency than what I already put in it.

08-01-2016, 09:35 AM	#32
BILL WILLIAMSON Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: FRESNO, CA Posts: 12,560	Re: Xmission Oil Depending on your climate, why not just use 90W or 140W?-----SIMPLE! Bill W. __________________ "THE ASSISTANT GURU OF STUFF"

08-01-2016, 06:26 PM	#37
Mitch//pa BANNED Join Date: May 2010 Location: Bucks County, PA Posts: 11,454	Re: Xmission Oil I worked the dealership line for 15 years... It's not what it used to be .. All they look to do is sell unneeded cash services , p/s flushes, brake flushes etc.. Mileage services which is mostly check this and that for 300.00. Which in my state most of it falls under state inspection so it gets checked then. They try and make the consumer think in order to keep the warranty valid the vehicle has to get serviced by them.. They hire these kids from tech schools who graduate and can't even air a tire properly or set a lift... Probably the person that serviced your A was that kid from the other thread about the parts counter idiot.