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03-12-2017, 11:12 AM | #1 |
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Head gasket Went for a ride
I went for a ride yesterday, in my 29 Roadster we drove about 130 miles it ran great. and did not get hot. but the last 1/4 mile home. stopped at a stop sign, and it started running rough. and no power. i got home, shorted out the plug wires and , found that i had 2 dead holes, 3 and 4. i did a wet compression test 1 ans 2 at 60 lbs and 0 at 3 and 4. so the conclusion is a head gasket. is that common for them to blow like that? i hope to replace the gasket soon
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03-12-2017, 11:31 AM | #2 |
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Don't pinch your fingers. Easy to do. Retorque several times during the first 100 miles or more. That new gasket will settle
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i like your videos on y tube! i hope to have it done in a couple of hours! the weather is getting better i want to drive my car!
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Boy was i wrong! 2 hr no way! almost everything i do to this car it fights me. i got everything off but the head it stuck good. i put a mix of acetone and Marvels mistory oil on the studs drove a screw driver into the head gasket and hooked a chain-fall into the water pump hole. i picked up car, got the wheels off the floor about a 1 1/2 inch. it will not move. also i broke out the porcelain of 2 spark plugs and bolted a chain to them. then pulled from 1 and 4 cylinders, also got the wheels off the ground. the head is still stuck. what should i do next?
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Maybe starting it with the head nuts loose would have helped... i use a head puller
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I made some wedges from a REAL THIN, Oriental Meat Cleaver!
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First thing is a quality head puller makes all the difference. I like to use wood wedges the kind used for leveling doors and windows to get between the head and the block. I have also used sisal rope in the cylinders to push the head up. When heads are stuck like this they are really stuck. Be patient and it will come.
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That's NEAT, when you do DIAGNOSIS, FIRST, Kudos to you! Bill W.
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i am a Electrician, by trade and a Backyard mechanic. i just keep my old junk on the road. but in electrical work you need to troubleshoot things sometimes. i like to know what i need to fix before i fix it. sometimes in electrical work you take something apart, and can't see what is wrong. then put it back together and it works. i like to know what was wong.
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My father was a Motor Pool Sargent during WW2. He would tell me that when they finished rebuilding a motor they would paint it red so that whoever got the motor next would know that it had been rebuilt.
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The first head gasket I changed on a Model A was the same way. Someone had use shellac on both sides of the gasket. I had the front of the car off the ground also, then tapped the sharp edge of kitchen knives into the center of the gasket. It finally came, but that was by far the worst head removal I ever had to do.
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Agree with tom, the stipe head removal tool is nice.... but not necessary. Have removed lots without it. It's a matter of soaking the holes and studs, using some wedges splitting the head gasket, and working it up front to back.
See if there's someone near you that has a head puller. All the best to you. Be careful of the valves, and the edge of the block, particularly front and back corners where the water jacket passages are. Larry |
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After many attempts to loosen cylinder heads by running the engine with the head nuts off, it has not once worked. This is especially true when the head gasket is already leaking.
Penetrating oil and driving metal wedges into the gasket works, but it is a difficult and slow process. Be careful not to pry upward on the wedges because it is easy to damage the surfaces of the block and head. Let the geometry of the wedges do the uplifting.
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I wouldnt use wedges..only the proper tools ....
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this thing is stuck hard! it won't move i borrowed a Bill Stipe Head puller. i tightened it up, and pulled on it with my chain fall. i broke one of the spark plug studs i am now using some heat and some kroll.
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I'd also tap the sharp edge of some kitchen knives into the gasket to get it moving.
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i am gonna try that, i also think the gasket it self is stuck good!
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I had the same problem,I picked the entire front of the truck up with eye bolts in the spark plug holes.I made hardwood wedges and drove them in between the head and the gasket I soaked all the head studs,a couple of weeks later the head let go!
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Another old trick is loosen the nut off a few turns and start up the n engine the head will come lose normally when it warms up a bit
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I'd also screw the nuts back on about half way then keep the studs wet with penetrating oil and tap the nuts sideways several times for a few days.
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If it is any consolation for you, it will come off easier next time!
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Brenden
I feel your pain. I just pulled my coupe into the garage yesterday low on power with a leaking head gasket. My motor was rebuilt in the 40's last so I imagine that it will be a beast to pull also. Tomorrow I'm borrowing a head puller from another club member, I'm hopeful this will make it easier
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My Stipe head puller has been used on a dozen or so heads. Hasn't failed to get one off yet.
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I had a similar problem the first time I attempted to remove the head. Funny how is goes much easier when you remove the two water neck nuts.
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Just thinking out loud, how about using clay to build a dam around the studs and fill it with your favorite penetrating oil. hook up your lift to put upward pressure on head and heat the head area with a space heater for a while?
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Here's a link to a thread for a tool I made to give the head puller even more pull. I made this more complicated than it needs to be. A heavy piece of angle iron bolted to the water pump studs and 2 bolts to screw down against the outlet neck studs would do the same job.
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well i finely got the head off! what a joke! 3 weeks! i used a Bill Stipe Head puller and heat . also lots of penetrating oil. i think i need to replace some studs. i did not brake any
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Unless the studs are severely pitted, I'd leave them alone. If they must be removed, then I'd use an ox/acc torch to heat them red hot in the area next to the block, and as they cool spray some penetrating oil on the threads. Repeat a few times then try to remove them. Instead of penetrating oil, I've heard good results using wax to soak into the threads.
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well i finely got my car on the road Monday. getting the head off was a nightmare. but after that everything went good. i removed the studs and had the head milled. also had the radiator fixed, it had a leak in it. i found that #4 exhaust valve was burnt. i replaced it and one outer. and laped them in. new valve guides and springs. the car runs better then it has ever ran for me. there is more power then it ever has had for me. also it seems to run smother
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Don't ignore the need to re-torque several times after cooling down during the first 100 miles. Congratulations on tackling a beast of a job.
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There was a guy on facebook that had the same problem with his head. Tried different methods and with a head puller broke the spark plug section of the head. To remove it he had to use a cold chisel and a hammer.
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i saw that, i bet he was not patient enough, i would get mad and walk away.
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