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19Fordy · 11-18-2020, 11:20 AM

Is it true that Ford used the Kaiser Frazer letter "F" in it's design of the 1949-50 Crestliner steering wheel horn button logo?

scicala · 11-18-2020, 11:41 AM

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Originally Posted by 19Fordy

Is it true that Ford used the Kaiser Frazer letter "F" in it's design of the 1949-50 Crestliner steering wheel horn button logo?

Good question. If I had to guess I would say if it looks like the Frazer "F", then probably just a coincidence and not intended. Also, the Crestliner was made in '50 and '51. Not in '49.

Sal

fordor41 · 11-18-2020, 11:25 PM

ford used their own font. Now it's called "fordscript"

mercman from oz · 11-19-2020, 01:35 AM

Those Crestliner Steering Wheels with the stylised F look great.

V8COOPMAN · 11-19-2020, 03:12 AM

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Originally Posted by 19Fordy

Is it true that Ford used the Kaiser Frazer letter "F" in it's design of the 1949-50 Crestliner steering wheel horn button logo?

I found that the "Darrins" ONLY seemed to use that unique "K", as in the first two pictures.

Darrins below!

Some "Frazers", depending on year, had a different "K" above the company's Bison logo, while the later ones had a gorgeous "Starburst K".....below! I even found a couple more oddities for earlier years. Not ALL Kaiser wheels were white. DD

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V8COOPMAN · 11-19-2020, 03:27 AM

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Originally Posted by 19Fordy

Is it true that Ford used the Kaiser Frazer letter "F" in it's design of the 1949-50 Crestliner steering wheel horn button logo?

C'mon Man! You have enough invested in that thing that you should be able to show it off bigly. Sure is purdy! DD

19Fordy · 11-19-2020, 08:53 AM

Thanks V8.
"Bigly is betterly".

Automotive Stud · 11-19-2020, 10:23 AM

I've heard that too, probably only on this board. I've never seen a Kaiser/Fraiser use that F logo.

TJ · 11-19-2020, 10:37 AM

Logos were probably trademarked, so they could not be used by anyone else.

V8COOPMAN · 11-19-2020, 05:39 PM

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Originally Posted by TJ

Logos were probably trademarked, so they could not be used by anyone else.

Jim's (19Fordy) Crestliner-type wheel is the only place that I have ever seen the "F" in that font. DD

19Fordy · 11-19-2020, 10:51 PM

Yes V8. I might be incorrect.

tubman · 11-20-2020, 07:47 AM

I have heard this story for a long time (probably at least 30 years ago for the first time). Ever since then, whenever I see a Frazer, I check the steering wheel. I have never seen a wheel like this on a Frazer.

V8COOPMAN · 11-20-2020, 06:24 PM

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Actually, there MAY be a little confusion as to just what a "Kaiser-Frazer" was. Henry J. Kaiser and Joseph M. Frazer began building both Kaisers and Frazers in 1947. They appeared to be very similar in appearance to each other. But Kaisers were FRONT-wheel drive, whereas Frazers were REAR-wheel drive. Only 10,000 Frazers were produced in '51 before Joe Frazer went on down the road to bigger and better things. The company then became The Kaiser Motor Corp. and produced Kaisers through the '55 model year. As an aside, a little over 400 Kaiser Darrins were produced, becoming America's FIRST fiberglass sports car, preceding Corvette production by about a month in 1953. DD

A '47 Frazer Manhattan Wheel

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V8COOPMAN · 11-20-2020, 06:26 PM

Oopsie...!

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tubman · 11-20-2020, 07:46 PM

Yeah. Initially, Kaisers were supposed to be front wheel drive; that never happened.

11-18-2020, 11:25 PM	#3
fordor41 Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: elmira,ny Posts: 925	Re: Crestliner steering Wheel Question ford used their own font. Now it's called "fordscript"

11-19-2020, 01:35 AM	#4
mercman from oz Senior Member Join Date: May 2012 Location: Queensland, Australia Posts: 4,767	Re: Crestliner steering Wheel Question Those Crestliner Steering Wheels with the stylised F look great.

11-19-2020, 08:53 AM	#7
19Fordy Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Coral Springs FL Posts: 8,456	Re: Crestliner steering Wheel Question Thanks V8. "Bigly is betterly".

11-19-2020, 10:23 AM	#8
Automotive Stud Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: New Jersey Posts: 655	Re: Crestliner steering Wheel Question I've heard that too, probably only on this board. I've never seen a Kaiser/Fraiser use that F logo.

11-19-2020, 10:37 AM	#9
TJ Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Napa,California Posts: 4,717	Re: Crestliner steering Wheel Question Logos were probably trademarked, so they could not be used by anyone else.

11-19-2020, 10:51 PM	#11
19Fordy Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Coral Springs FL Posts: 8,456	Re: Crestliner steering Wheel Question Yes V8. I might be incorrect.

11-20-2020, 07:47 AM	#12
tubman Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2013 Location: Minnesota, Florida Keys Posts: 7,007	Re: Crestliner steering Wheel Question I have heard this story for a long time (probably at least 30 years ago for the first time). Ever since then, whenever I see a Frazer, I check the steering wheel. I have never seen a wheel like this on a Frazer.

11-20-2020, 06:24 PM	#13
V8COOPMAN Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: East Shore of LAKE HOUSTON Posts: 7,443	Re: Crestliner steering Wheel Question . Actually, there MAY be a little confusion as to just what a "Kaiser-Frazer" was. Henry J. Kaiser and Joseph M. Frazer began building both Kaisers and Frazers in 1947. They appeared to be very similar in appearance to each other. But Kaisers were FRONT-wheel drive, whereas Frazers were REAR-wheel drive. Only 10,000 Frazers were produced in '51 before Joe Frazer went on down the road to bigger and better things. The company then became The Kaiser Motor Corp. and produced Kaisers through the '55 model year. As an aside, a little over 400 Kaiser Darrins were produced, becoming America's FIRST fiberglass sports car, preceding Corvette production by about a month in 1953. DD A '47 Frazer Manhattan Wheel ........ __________________ *T5 W/TORQUE TUBE* *We WILL discover aliens on another planet...and the 'nutsoids' will surely-enough be sending $TRILLION$ of our bucks in aid!*

11-20-2020, 06:26 PM	#14
V8COOPMAN Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: East Shore of LAKE HOUSTON Posts: 7,443	Re: Crestliner steering Wheel Question Oopsie...! ........ __________________ *T5 W/TORQUE TUBE* *We WILL discover aliens on another planet...and the 'nutsoids' will surely-enough be sending $TRILLION$ of our bucks in aid!*

11-20-2020, 07:46 PM	#15
tubman Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2013 Location: Minnesota, Florida Keys Posts: 7,007	Re: Crestliner steering Wheel Question Yeah. Initially, Kaisers were supposed to be front wheel drive; that never happened. Last edited by tubman; 11-20-2020 at 07:53 PM.

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