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Steve Staysko · 11-20-2012, 11:31 AM

I thought that you’ all would find this interesting!

Penetrating Oils Machinist's Workshop Mag recently published some information on various penetrating oils. The magazine reports they tested penetrates for break out torque on rusted nuts.

They arranged a subjective test of all the popular penetrates with the control being the torque required to remove the nut from a "scientifically rusted" environment.

*Penetrating oils ........... Average torque load to loosen*

No Oil used ................... 516 pounds
WD-40 ..................... ... 238 pounds
PB Blaster .................... 214 pounds
Liquid Wrench ...............127 pounds
Kano Kroil .................... 106 pounds
ATF*-Acetone mix............53 pounds

The ATF-Acetone mix is a " mix-your-own-brew" -- 50 - 50 automatic transmission fluid and acetone. As noted many times in FordBarn threads! Note this "home brew" released bolts better than any commercial product in this one particular test.

A local machinist group mixed up a batch and they all now use it with equally good results. Note also that "Liquid Wrench" is almost as good as "Kroil" for about 20% of the price.

Steve from Godwin-Singer says that ATF-Acetone mix is best, but you can also use ATF and lacquer thinner in a 50-50 mix.
*ATF=Automatic Transmission Fluid

Old Henry · 11-20-2012, 12:50 PM

Great information! I've filed it away for future reference.
Could you post the link to the report?

Roger W Gerow · 11-20-2012, 12:52 PM

I just made a copy of this to show others of this information. We need all the help we can get with those rusty nuts.

Conrad Rossi · 11-20-2012, 02:08 PM

Thank you for making the information available. Nothing better than having the facts!

Steve Staysko · 11-20-2012, 04:37 PM

Machinist's Workshop Magazine
Testing Different Types of Penetrating Oils
By: Lloyd Bender
Subject: Cutting
Issue: MW Vol. 20 No. 2 Apr-May 2007

Here is a copy from another source....

http://www.antiquemodeler.org/sam_ne...am_2011_07.pdf

1937pickup · 11-20-2012, 05:03 PM

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What about a gas wrench? LOL.

B-O-B · 11-20-2012, 05:49 PM

Where you guys been hiding? We been bragging about ATF & ACETONE for years!

Ol' Ron · 11-20-2012, 06:57 PM

Yep!, been using it for a coupla years now. Been here in the forum several times.. Anybody use the new stuff from WD40, they just came out with a similar product.

charles in east texas · 11-20-2012, 07:33 PM

A fellow that owns a parts house told me the best penetrating fluid was brake fluid. I have never tried it tho. Charles

Bassman/NZ · 11-20-2012, 07:34 PM

My nuts are rusty, but I ..... oops, wrong forum....

KiWinUS · 11-20-2012, 07:45 PM

Howes penatrant is my fav !
Mac tools exclusive

Capn John · 11-20-2012, 07:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bassman/NZ

My nuts are rusty, but I ..... oops, wrong forum....

WOW!! Don't use a breaker bar or nut driver!!!

Henry/Kokomo · 11-20-2012, 08:08 PM

Bassman - A wire brush will usually take rust off. . . . . .

Mike in AZ · 11-20-2012, 08:26 PM

what about one of those things that splits nuts....lol....Mike

Barry-ct · 11-20-2012, 09:10 PM

Have good luck with Kroil oil. Ford recommended, too!

Conrad Rossi · 11-20-2012, 09:26 PM

I'm definitely switching to the home-brewed version penetrating oil

36tbird · 11-21-2012, 08:35 AM

Anybody ever scientifically tested the "candle wax melted into the studs" method? I have not done that yet but planning on it for the next tear down.

Ronnie · 11-21-2012, 10:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 36tbird

Anybody ever scientifically tested the "candle wax melted into the studs" method? I have not done that yet but planning on it for the next tear down.

Have used it many times on applications such as pipe plugs and stubborn bolts and studs. You get it hot with a good heat supply and as it is cooling off quench a couple of times with a candle and the wax wicks down the threads and frees it up.You should wait for the item to be warm to the touch before removal.Works very well.Acetone mix is high on the list also.

R

bbrust · 11-21-2012, 11:32 AM

Just posted this on the Shoebox Ford forum. Heard about using the ATF mix before but nice to see the comparison. Thanks for the info. Bob

37ford4dr · 11-21-2012, 01:31 PM

I had one batch of PB Blaster that was useless and now my next gallon of it is amazing..and way better then any I had used before. I have used ATF and acetone also and it does work very well. thks for posting the results, bob

11-20-2012, 11:31 AM	#1
Steve Staysko Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Dewinton, Alberta, Canada Posts: 463	Penetrating Oils I thought that you’ all would find this interesting! Penetrating Oils Machinist's Workshop Mag recently published some information on various penetrating oils. The magazine reports they tested penetrates for break out torque on rusted nuts. They arranged a subjective test of all the popular penetrates with the control being the torque required to remove the nut from a "scientifically rusted" environment. Penetrating oils ........... Average torque load to loosen No Oil used ................... 516 pounds WD-40 ..................... ... 238 pounds PB Blaster .................... 214 pounds Liquid Wrench ...............127 pounds Kano Kroil .................... 106 pounds ATF-Acetone mix............53 pounds The ATF-Acetone mix is a " mix-your-own-brew" -- 50 - 50 automatic transmission fluid and acetone. As noted many times in FordBarn threads!* Note this "home brew" released bolts better than any commercial product in this one particular test. A local machinist group mixed up a batch and they all now use it with equally good results. Note also that "Liquid Wrench" is almost as good as "Kroil" for about 20% of the price. Steve from Godwin-Singer says that ATF-Acetone mix is best, but you can also use ATF and lacquer thinner in a 50-50 mix. ATF=Automatic Transmission Fluid Last edited by Steve Staysko; 11-20-2012 at 05:56 PM.*

11-20-2012, 12:50 PM	#2
Old Henry Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Orem, Utah Posts: 5,762	Re: Penetrating Oils Great information! I've filed it away for future reference. Could you post the link to the report? __________________ Prof. Henry (The Roaming Gnome) "It is good to have an end to journey toward; but it is the journey that matters, in the end.” *Ursula K. Le Guin in The Left Hand of Darkness

11-20-2012, 12:52 PM	#3
Roger W Gerow Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Walla Walla, Washington Posts: 182	Re: Penetrating Oils I just made a copy of this to show others of this information. We need all the help we can get with those rusty nuts.

11-20-2012, 02:08 PM	#4
Conrad Rossi Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2012 Location: AZ Posts: 106	Re: Penetrating Oils Thank you for making the information available. Nothing better than having the facts! __________________ -Conrad

11-20-2012, 04:37 PM	#5
Steve Staysko Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Dewinton, Alberta, Canada Posts: 463	Re: Penetrating Oils Machinist's Workshop Magazine Testing Different Types of Penetrating Oils By: Lloyd Bender Subject: Cutting Issue: MW Vol. 20 No. 2 Apr-May 2007 Here is a copy from another source.... http://www.antiquemodeler.org/sam_ne...am_2011_07.pdf Last edited by Steve Staysko; 11-20-2012 at 04:51 PM.

11-20-2012, 05:03 PM	#6
1937pickup Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2012 Posts: 586	Re: Penetrating Oils Sponsored Links (Register now to hide all advertisements) What about a gas wrench? LOL.

11-20-2012, 05:49 PM	#7
B-O-B Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Ft Mohave,Az Posts: 1,987	Re: Penetrating Oils Where you guys been hiding? We been bragging about ATF & ACETONE for years!

11-20-2012, 06:57 PM	#8
Ol' Ron Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Chester Vt Posts: 8,860	Re: Penetrating Oils Yep!, been using it for a coupla years now. Been here in the forum several times.. Anybody use the new stuff from WD40, they just came out with a similar product.

11-20-2012, 07:33 PM	#9
charles in east texas Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Winnsboro, Texas Posts: 463	Re: Penetrating Oils A fellow that owns a parts house told me the best penetrating fluid was brake fluid. I have never tried it tho. Charles

11-20-2012, 07:34 PM	#10
Bassman/NZ Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Napier, New Zealand Posts: 2,001	Re: Penetrating Oils My nuts are rusty, but I ..... oops, wrong forum....

11-20-2012, 07:45 PM	#11
KiWinUS Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Charlotte NC KiWi-L100 available here Posts: 2,960	Re: Penetrating Oils Howes penatrant is my fav ! Mac tools exclusive

11-20-2012, 08:08 PM	#13
Henry/Kokomo Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Kokomo, Indiana Posts: 1,731	Re: Penetrating Oils Bassman - A wire brush will usually take rust off. . . . . .

11-20-2012, 08:26 PM	#14
Mike in AZ Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Waddell, AZ Posts: 2,540	Re: Penetrating Oils what about one of those things that splits nuts....lol....Mike

11-20-2012, 09:10 PM	#15
Barry-ct Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Newington, Connecticut Posts: 1,374	Re: Penetrating Oils Have good luck with Kroil oil. Ford recommended, too! __________________ Barry 50 F-1

11-20-2012, 09:26 PM	#16
Conrad Rossi Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2012 Location: AZ Posts: 106	Re: Penetrating Oils I'm definitely switching to the home-brewed version penetrating oil __________________ -Conrad

11-21-2012, 08:35 AM	#17
36tbird Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: nw SanAntonio, TX Posts: 939	Re: Penetrating Oils Anybody ever scientifically tested the "candle wax melted into the studs" method? I have not done that yet but planning on it for the next tear down.

11-21-2012, 11:32 AM	#19
bbrust Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Greencastle, PA Posts: 227	Re: Penetrating Oils Just posted this on the Shoebox Ford forum. Heard about using the ATF mix before but nice to see the comparison. Thanks for the info. Bob

11-21-2012, 01:31 PM	#20
37ford4dr Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: arlington va Posts: 185	Re: Penetrating Oils I had one batch of PB Blaster that was useless and now my next gallon of it is amazing..and way better then any I had used before. I have used ATF and acetone also and it does work very well. thks for posting the results, bob