56 Ford Y-Block powered "Gasser" build

[Lancer]

I picked up this car about a year ago a few blocks from my house. I had seen it on Craigs list. It was pretty straight, no engine, trans, windshield or bumpers, oh and no papers. I made him an offer but he wasn't as negotiable as I needed him to be. After texting back and forth over a couple of months he gave me one of those bring me the money today kind of offers, I couldn't pass it up.

There were already projects at home so I really didn't want to look at it so it was hauled out to the parents house. Out of mind, out of site. It worked okay til mid summer. My son was turning 16 and I thought this would be a great father son build. That lasted a very short time, he's just not into 50's cars. We are looking for a 60's off topic chevy for him.

I had no interest in selling it and thought about different ways it could be done. During this time I had blown the engine in my '57 Ford wagon. The original 292 gave up the ghost. This lead me down a very interesting road which allowed me to cross paths with Charlie Burns and Tim McMaster. Charlie had an engine that Tim had built and he was looking for some cash to throw at his land speed car. This was perfect for me as you know, Y-Blocks are a little harder to come by than say, well just about everything. The wagon is now back on the road THANK GOD after three months off the road and is much peppier than the stocker it had in it.

Back to the '56, it was originally a Y-Block V8/auto car. So, maybe put a Y back in it?? I had a few other engine choices but the Y just seemed right. There are still many things to sort out but the main goal is in place. Build a gasser the way it would have been built back in the day. Not a huge thumper motor but a small, high winding Y.

The car will get an upgrade to a four speed, an early top loader. I'm still looking for one of those. Nothing has been touched on it since I drug it home, but that will be changing very soon. The rear diff I've had for years. Its an early Mopar 8.75 that had been set up as a three link, has Moser axles a spool and 4.11s which may be swapped out for set of 4.56s. That old three link stuff will be cut away as we lay plans for the ladder bars.

Covering the Eagle Field Drag racing events over the years sparked the initial idea to build an 8th mile drag car. Shooting for the first event for 2015.

[Ford Freak]

I love the old gassers ! That car is perfect for that .

[Lancer]

I think so too.

[Lancer]

Some pics from the machine shop. The C1TE rods and the 272ci motor.

[Y-Blockhead]

Lancer you seen this thread over on the HAMB? Might want to peruse it and get some ideas?

Pix of '55-'57 Ford Gassers - the "other" Tri-Fives

[Lancer]

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Its been a while since I've seen it, def need to look again now since its a little more applicable haha. Thanks for the reminder Y-Blockhead

[Hivolt5.0]

This is going to be an exciting build! I'll be watching this one. Good luck!

[Lancer]

Just found that our donor motor has the high ration rocker arms that we need. Nice, one less part to look for now.

[Lancer]

I am working a deal on some heads now and hope it all fall in line. Just waiting to see if they are posted heads or not. Hoping to confirm this weekend. I did get some parts ordered, stud kit for the main and heads, timing set and push rods. Should also get info on a four speed thats local that may work as well. He's supposed to be getting that checked.

Still looking for a bell housing and a "B" intake. But I may contact one of my fellow fabricators and have them built me an intake. We'll see how that works out.

This weekend we will be pulling some of the front end apart and getting measurements for the straight axle so I'll have a few pics to post up. If anyone is looking for 56 Ford parts, drop me a line, there will be a lot of stuff coming off the car that won't be used.

[Lancer]

Block is being decked & honed. YESSS!!!

[JeffB2]

Are you going to run it at Eagle field when she's ready?

[OahuEli]

Originally Posted by Lancer

Just found that our donor motor has the high ration rocker arms that we need. Nice, one less part to look for now.

Whats the difference in ratio?

[Lancer]

JeffB2, the car is being built specifically to run at Eagle Field and maybe a few others like Kingdon and the smaller events around. HAMB Drags would be another.

OahuEli, higher ratio allows a bigger lift on the cam.

[JeffB2]

I lived in Lodi about six years and would like to get back to see the Kingdon reunion some day,hope you share a bunch of pictures.

[OahuEli]

Originally Posted by Lancer

OahuEli, higher ratio allows a bigger lift on the cam.

Yeah I know that but I was wondering if was 1.6, 1.7 to 1 etc. I don't recall the stock ratio. Years ago I had a stock 292 in my '56 F100 for awhile.

[Y-Blockhead]

If he's referring to stock rockers, 1.46 vs 1.52...

[scicala]

Originally Posted by Y-Blockhead

If he's referring to stock rockers, 1.46 vs 1.52...

I know it's not much difference at all, but for the record, I thought the ratios were 1.43 and 1.54 ?

[miker98038]

Mummert's site shows them as 1.43 and 1.54. He's also working on a higher ratio set, but I don't think they're in production yet. 1.7 or so?

[Lancer]

Looks like others have answered the question regarding the ratio OahuEli.

Progress on the internals. Pistons are cleaned and balanced. The vintage pistons are Jahns, and came from Pete Blakeley. Vintage parts in our vintage gasser. Should be darn near 12:1 compression when done. Nice and crispy.

Block pic shows the relief on every cylinder to clear the 2.02" and 1.6" valves when running a .600 lift cam and rocker combo.

[scicala]

Originally Posted by Lancer

Looks like others have answered the question regarding the ratio OahuEli.

Progress on the internals. Pistons are cleaned and balanced. The vintage pistons are Jahns, and came from Pete Blakeley. Vintage parts in our vintage gasser. Should be darn near 12:1 compression when done. Nice and crispy.

Block pic shows the relief on every cylinder to clear the 2.02" and 1.6" valves when running a .600 lift cam and rocker combo.

Lancer, thanks for the mega memories. My first car was a '55 mercury Montclair with a 292. I also bought Jahns pop up pistons for it back in '68. Cost $56 new for a set of 8 if I remember right. You're Y-Block is going to be awesome. Love the fact that you are going al out for HP.

[Lancer]

Thanks scicala, its going to be a fun car. We are having a great time just getting it all together. Even with having to track down these obscure parts that no one has thought about for years, its still good. To easy is pretty boring. I've always liked different, my other car build is a '53 DeSoto so I'm used to not having parts readily available.

Using these vintage parts is a large part of the charm. Building a performance engine with '50 year old parts is kinda crazy and also a huge part of the charm. I like unique things.

[Lancer]

Balancing up the crank for the race motor.

[Lancer]

Some concept art for the build.

[Lancer]

Short block assembly begins.

[Lancer]

Timing set installed and the slugs are going in.

[scicala]

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Originally Posted by Lancer

Timing set installed and the slugs are going in.

All I had to do was look at the cam and pistons and I'm in love !

Gotta hear it run some day too.

[smtichy]

Originally Posted by Lancer

Some concept art for the build.

Nice! You should consider making it a convertible so the driver doesn't have to punch a hole in the roof ... lol

[Lancer]

Here are a bunch of good pics of the engine assembly. Tims been a busy guy on this bad boy.

[Lancer]

Tshirt artwork coming along well.

[Lancer]

Picked up a few parts yesterday. Was able to grab the spindles we will be using. Sending them out to WAC Customs this week to get fitted on the tube axle. The vintage race tires are for mock up only but they will help get the proportions adjusted for the wheel wells. They are very vintage McCreary tires and not to soft. Anyone know how to soften up old tires???

[Lancer]

Looking over the Canned Monster tonight I noted that the car has a factory block off plates for the radio and the heater on the dash, and a block off on the firewall for the heater core. It was born to be a race car. Less stuff I have to pull off which is great.

[RCM]

Too cool. Nice work. Keep it up.

[Lancer]

Made a little progress on the "Canned Monster". Tires were mounted up on the wheels. I watched the poor guy at the tire shop try to mount them both up, was quite funny. As a reminder these tires are at least 40 years old and are for mock up only. The rubber is very hard and they were having a heck of a time trying to get them to work. Took three guys and a hammer if that gives you an idea. But, they're done now and hopefully will continue to hold air. We tossed them on the rear and now really see the offset of the wheels are no were near what they need to be. Since we are radiusing the wells it wont matter much.

Also starting pulling parts off the front of the car to get it ready for the new axle and other work to be done. Found something interesting. The car has a block off plate for the radio, but the car has a factory antenna that doesn't plug into anything. I found that amusing.

[Lancer]

Shirts are now available for preorder here

[Lancer]

Glass is now pulled out. The spindles had some bad parts so a new kit is on order to rebuild the king pins.

[Lancer]

Getting the 8" ready to pull out. This is available if anyone is looking for one.

[Ford Freak]

^^No jackstands ?^^

[Lancer]

Yes, there is one on each side under the frame right in front of the tires. Hard to see in the pic. The jack is just to move the rear up and down.

[Lancer]

Kingpin kit came in. Bill from WAC Custom can now get on the axle build.

[Tinker]

I assume your tubin' the rear or radiusing the quarters?. any picts of the fab work? Cool project!

[Lancer]

Thanks Tinker.

Yes, will be radiusing the wheel wells. That will start soon and I'll be posting pics of the fab work. I'm looking for someone now that can make us up the fender lips to weld on. Anyone in the Cali central valley area have access to a Pullmax??

[Lancer]

Shout out to Bill over at WAC Customs who is building our straight axle. He got the rebuild kit yesterday for the kingpins. Can't wait to see it all together.

[Tinker]

On gasser falcons they use mustang rear lips. May or may not work in this apt.

Hanging the wheels out will look great. To me a more 60s setup.

[Lancer]

Yes, the rear wheels will hang out a bit and 60's look is def the goal. They are 10" tires and most will be under the car. I'll look into the mustang lips. Thanks for the tip.

[Lancer]

The rear is almost out. I've been down with a back injury so my son has been learning how to turn wrenches. The 8" should be out this weekend. Anyone looking for one?

[Lancer]

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Its raining so the only thing I accomplished today was talking about the car. But, Bill over at WAC Customs was busy working on our axle. Check out these bad boys. Custom axle ends. Made in the USA!!

[Lancer]

Talk to me about rear wheels for the Canned Monster. What size should I go with and why. 15x8.5, 15x10, or 16x10. Tires will be 10" wide. Give me the pros and cons of each of these. I need to make a decision soon. GO!

[scicala]

Originally Posted by Lancer

Talk to me about rear wheels for the Canned Monster. What size should I go with and why. 15x8.5, 15x10, or 16x10. Tires will be 10" wide. Give me the pros and cons of each of these. I need to make a decision soon. GO!

I'm no expert on wheel types for drag racing, but seems the 15X8.5 or 15X10 would be more period correct for a 10" slick. I think the 16" wheels were more for the dragsters of the early 60's and more like 12" wide slicks.
A slotted aluminum wheel similar to the old Halibrand magnesium wheels would look correct in the rear and maybe a gray center 5 spoke in the front.

[Lancer]

yes, I am looking at the Halibrand style wheels for the back and most likely the 8.5" size. Thats the feedback I am getting from many sources.

[Lancer]

The guys who make these killer wheels will be sponsoring our Canned Monster gasser build. American Rebel Manufacturing. These are produced in the US and we will be one of the first cars to get them when they are available. Very excited about this. Now if we can round up a sponsor for some tires.

Their website is here.

[Lancer]

Progress on our axle by WAC Customs.

[Lancer]

More axle progress by Bill at WAC Customs. Looking really nice.

[Lancer]

Got some decals made of the monster.

So, back to the wheel sizing, I'm going to go with 15x8.5 for the rear size. The car is headed to a local shop this week where they will get the wheel wells cut and the mock up wheels in place to do some measuring so we have an idea for back space. The mopar rear is slightly wider than the 8" coming out.

[tdlmomowers]

Great progress, so far. More pictures needed soon. I have always been a gasser fan. I just wish there were more gassers being built today.

[Lancer]

My son swapped the diffs on the 56 over the weekend and then had to put the 8" backs since the ubolts wouldn't go around the mopar tubes.

Oh well, the car will be heading to the local hot rod shop, Modesto Rod & Custom in a couple of days so they can start on the suspension.

Got the gas tank pulled (anyone looking for one) and some other parts pulled out. The 8" will be for sale once it comes back out very soon.

[JeffB2]

Wheel wells like the Winner and #2 runner up? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GEdaxDzOcmc

[Y-Blockhead]

Originally Posted by Lancer

The rear is almost out. I've been down with a back injury so my son has been learning how to turn wrenches. The 8" should be out this weekend. Anyone looking for one?

Just curious, is that the stock '56 rear end? If so it's not an 8".

[Lancer]

The one photo shows two rears, one is the mopar thats going in, the other is the 8" thats coming out. Why do you think its not an 8"?

[LOWRIDER]

The 8 in. Ford rear end (the one used in the 60's) is very similar to the 9 in. where the pinion bolts into the front of the carrier with 5 bolts. I don't see that set up on either rear end. The original rear end in a 56 was used in cars between 49 to 56. Very weak rear end. If you had a wagon or sedan delivery it came with a Dana.

[Lancer]

You are correct. Its not an 8", just the factory '56 rear. If anyone needs one drop me a line. I have no use for it.

[JeffB2]

It will work in a 1949-56 car and if the car had a Ford-O-Matic that would be a plus factor because of the gear ratio.

[Lancer]

Yes, mine was a V8, Auto car.

[JeffB2]

So that should be a 3:30 ratio Some guys in the 52-59 Group have looked for them I posted up info for them to give you a shout.

[Lancer]

I appreciate that JeffB2, thanks. Will not be doing me any good, if it can help another guy out that would be great.

[Lancer]

Its been quite on the build. I have been working on the new magazine and its been taking on my brain power. It will be off to the printer in the next couple of days. We are going to try to get the wheel wells cut this weekend so we can get the rear in place to start the ladder bar design.

[Lancer]

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So, our pal Bill Carlson, owner of WAC Customs and official sponsor of our Canned Monster just informed me that he is upgrading our axle, the one he just finished! All I can say is wow. We will now have a I-Beamed-Tube axle. Bigger and stronger, just in case those front wheels decide they want to come up.

[Lancer]

Looking at a T10 later today I hope, or the next couple of days. It think it will work with the Y bell housing. Going to pull the cover and check the guts, make sure all looks good.

[Lancer]

Started cutting on the quarters last night. Making room for the bigger meats. Also moving the rear ahead a little.

[Lancer]

Our wheels showed up today. American Rebel MFG. is sponsoring these to us. Made in the USA, my favorite part. Can't wait to see them mounted up on the car.

[scicala]

Nice wheels ! Something like this Youtube link would be sweet in you're gasser too.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j_Hpz3qPlpI

[Lancer]

I've seen that video. Thing sounds wicked. Ours will be very similar sounding with 12:1 and a nasty cam. Do you know who built that setup? I'd love to see how he did the conversion.

[streetdreams]

I can't wait to see the video of those cool front wheels carried a foot off the ground for about 15 ft !

[scicala]

Originally Posted by Lancer

I've seen that video. Thing sounds wicked. Ours will be very similar sounding with 12:1 and a nasty cam. Do you know who built that setup? I'd love to see how he did the conversion.

Yes, it does sound sweet. I have no idea who put that set-up together. Just something I saw on youtube a few years back.
To find a complete/useable Hilborn set-up for a Y-Block would be hard to do, not to mention the price. Gotta love the way it gets the revs though.

[Lancer]

scicala:
Based on a lot of tests i've seen and heard about, other than it looking amazing, the injection system doesnt really gain you any more performance than a good four barrel setup. We'll be running a Holley 650 Double Pumper on top of a hi rise intake.

Streetdreams: you and me both man.

[Lancer]

Got the car dropped off yesterday at Modesto Rod & Custom. They will be doing the ladder bars, installing the 8.75 Mopar rear. They will install our new front axle and set up the front suspension. Cage and tilt front end as well.

[Lancer]

I got the steering column and box pulled last night. They will be cutting the frame off soon and start the axle install. Axle is in route now, hope it gets here this week.

Thinking about running spindle mounts up front instead.

[Lancer]

Hard to get a good pic right now but the axle arrived from CT last night. Bill Carlson of WAC Customs did an amazing job on it. Guys if you want an axle custom made, give him a call instead of buying that Speedway stuff made outside the US. http://waccustoms.com/ Support you local business men and women.

[Lancer]

Been busy, did some sanding on the "Canned Monster" last night, going to be a busy weekend doing more of that.

In the last two days I've had two companies contact me interested in sponsoring the Monster. Working out those details now and hope to officially announce them soon. One for the springs, the other for tires so I'm really excited about that.

[JeffB2]

Congrats on getting sponsors! keep up the good work.

[Lancer]

Some very good progress sanding today on the Monster. Pass door and quarter are done and about half the trunk. Discovered some good rust holes in the rocker area. Some nice body shop in the past had filled them with Bondo. But, I'm still thrilled with the progress. I've been waiting a couple of years to start this part of the project.

[Lancer]

more sanding progress today.

[Lancer]

Front tires were mounted up today.

[RCM]

Great work, very cool.
Keep it up.

[Lancer]

Disc brake kit has arrived. The front springs on on the way from Eaton Detroit Spring. Disc kit came from Speedway. I'm using original '51 Chevy spindles on the axle so I am having to have some machine work done in order for the bearings to fit properly. A local shop is working on them now. Once the spacer is welded in place I can assemble the brakes on the axle and then install the new wheels and tires. Can't wait to see it all together. The local rod shop I'm hoping will start on cutting off the frame rails next week. I'm out of town next week heading up to Boise Idaho, anyone here from the Boise area?

[Lancer]

The front leaf springs just arrived from Eaton Detroit Spring Co. Very nice and made in the USA.

[Lancer]

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Finally got the spindles back from the machine shop. They had to machine them down to fit the disc brakes. Now I can finally bolt it all together.

[Lancer]

We'll be running the Mummert aluminum four barrel intake on the Monster.

[Lancer]

We just had a front tank donated to the build. Its a vintage piece off an old drag car. We'll have to make a few changes but its darn cool.

[scicala]

Originally Posted by Lancer

We'll be running the Mummert aluminum four barrel intake on the Monster.

Lancer, I haven't seen that Mummert intake before without the exhaust crossover. Is that a single plane intake, or dual plane like the Blue Thunder intakes ?

[Lancer]

Originally Posted by scicala

Lancer, I haven't seen that Mummert intake before without the exhaust crossover. Is that a single plane intake, or dual plane like the Blue Thunder intakes ?

It is a dual plane cross "H" with an "equilizing" slot. No exhaust crossover.

[Lancer]

The YblockGuy dropped off the mock up motor tonight. One more step in the process.

[Lancer]

I just heard from Towel City Tires and they will be sponsoring us the Pie Crust Cheater Slicks for the Monster. Can't wait to get them in hand and mounted up on our American Rebel Wheels. So happy to have them on board this build.

[Lancer]

Towel City Tires are mounted up on the super rad American Rebel Wheels for the Monster.

[guthriesmith]

Looks like you are gathering up some cool parts Lance! Keep the updates coming.

[Lancer]

The final engine build will start very soon and we are getting the frame up on the rack, hopefully this weekend to begin the suspension build. Should have more updates soon.

[Lancer]

Super excited to announce MSD Performance as our newest sponsor for The Canned Monster gasser build. They gave us the whole ignition system, MSD 6AL box, Y-Block Billet distributor, black plug wires and a performance coil. Even threw in a black cap so it looks more period correct. MSD Performance

[scicala]

Awesome deal ! That's a very expensive pile of parts !

[Lancer]

Headers just came in.

[Lancer]

Got the disc brakes put together finally. Used a pair of original '51 chevy to start with and had to machine them to take the discs. After two trips to the machine shop they go them right and the bearings fit. The bigger news is the car is now in Ventura at JG Design & Fabrication. They will be handling the suspension build both front and rear. Looking forward to working with Justin and the gang. Lots of progress pics to come very soon.

[RCM]

Awsome. I'd give a finger to look at it personally.
Congrats.

[Lancer]

Progress pics, suspension work has begun.

[Lancer]

More progress pics by JG Design and Fabrication in Ventura Ca. Exciting work finally taking place.

[Lancer]

From now through Christmas anyone who orders a Canned Monster tshirt off the website gets a free copy of our newest issue for FREE thrown in. XLs are the only size that are left and are in limited supply so act quickly if you want one. Follow the link below in the signature line to grab one. Help fund the Monster.

[Lancer]

Update on the frame progress. New square tub in place and pinched frame matted up and welded in place. Overlay plates are next.

[Lancer]

drilled the holes for additional weld surface to give more strength and a nice aesthetic touch. This will flow into our motor mounts and front spring mounts.

[Lancer]

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UPDATE ON THE BUILD: Motor mount plate in progress. JG Design & Fab is doing a great job on this. The motor plate design ties back into the overlay plates on the frame posted above. Mounts will feature urethane bushings on the ends with a through bolt to help dampen the vibrations this things going to make.

[Lancer]

UPDATE: Front end caps are now on the frame ends and finished off very nicely. Springs are mocked up in place and spring mounts are being designed. More on that soon. JG Design & Fab is doing a great job.

[Lancer]

Cutting out sheet metal, making room to move the rear forward 9 inches.

[scicala]

I'm enjoying the heck out of this project Lancer ! Keep it up.

My two favorite things in life....., 50's cars and drag racing.

Sal

[RCM]

Yes, this one is too juicy. Keep it up.

[Lancer]

Sneak peek, tires are from Towel City Racing and wheels are from American Rebel MFG.

[Lancer]

Update from JG Design & Fabrication​ on the Monster build.

"After laying our spring fixed position, cycling the suspension, and determining our shackle mounts while giving us 45* degree shackle mount. We used a hole saw to drill the frame at 1.5" hole, then cleaned the holes up to make sure they were straight and level side to side. To verify our side to side trueness we run our bushing sleeves in the frame with a 1.25 OD tube through the frame / sleeves. Once leveled and squared, we tacked each side inside and out, then welded it out. We then ground our welds out, installed bushings after greasing with wheel bearing grease. Then a simple shackle install and there we have it."

[Lancer]

MAJOR UPDATE:
From Justin at JG_Fabrication on the Monster build.
So here's a finished install of our shackles. Then a reference picture of rounding our tube overlays on the motor plate. We used heat, then the persuader aka a hammer, rolling them over the tube, tack l, weld, repeat. Once cooled we installed bushings in the motor mount then bolted up our tabs. Our tabs helped center the motor in the chassis, then just had to position it front to rear and centered our rear tail shaft verifying the motor square and level in the chassis.

[Lancer]

Update

[Lancer]

New shirt design coming soon.

[Lancer]

Good feedback on the design location. Seems many want the Monster design on the back with a front logo. Also thinking about offering up some hoodies as well. I'll make a decision soon and there is a good chance you'll be able to do pre-orders on the site this weekend.

[Lancer]

BLACK HOODIES AND TEE's now up on the site for PRE-ORDER
All sizes available during pre-order as I don't stock all T-shirt sizes normally and won't stock hoodies at all, so now is the time. Will take pre-orders for a couple of weeks before placing final order.
Australian/New Zealand/Intl. guys, rejoice I have an outside the USA paypal option with the appropriate shipping prices adjusted. Make sure you pick the right one when you check out.
Go to the site now and get your order in. http://speednchrome.com/store.html

[Lancer]

Swapping in some Mummert rods. Original heads from "the Flying yellow brick". new stainless 2.02 intakes 1.6 exhaust ported polished, these heads made 350 horsepower on a 258 cubic-inch Y-Block. should run pretty good on this. .125" over 272 block with 12:1 compression. We have paint.

[Lancer]

MSD is now in place. Next up are the black cap and wires. Also got the Holley back from the builder. Looking sharp now.

[Lancer]

Some fun with the Y-Block Girls and our Canned Monster motor.

[Lancer]

Its coming together.

[Lancer]

Water pump is getting worked out.

[RCM]

Thats too much awsomeness.

[Lancer]

Getting close to firing.

[Lancer]

Video of the Monster Firing up for the first time.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ApfJbwvVNpI

[Lancer]

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Update pics again finally. I know its been a white. The pan is getting sectioned to make room for the steering.

[Lancer]

Pan tacked together. Steering parts all welded up.

[Lancer]

Some update pics of the front suspension. More to come.

[Lancer]

More build pics.

[RCM]

Very nice, congrats.

[Lancer]

Thanks. It's coming along. Slow and steady.

[Lancer]

More progress pics. Final welding getting done then off for chrome and coating. Front suspension is getting all prettied up.

[Lancer]

Axle/steering parts off the car getting final welded and prepped for chrome and coating.

[Lancer]

Final welding done. Now off for chrome and coating this week.

[Lancer]

The Monster is up on the rack, front suspension parts will be going in shortly. More pics to come of the freshly powder coated shinny bits.

[Lancer]

Prepped and ready for install.

[Lancer]

More update pics

[Lancer]

Getting some sunshine on it.