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fred93 · 10-10-2017, 04:49 PM

I am heading over to the upholstery shop in the morning and I realized that I don't know what the original/authentic seat pattern is supposed to look like. I don't mean the material pattern. I mean are there pleats--no pleats--one pleat--please help.

See pix of seats that were in the car when I got it. But I have no idea if they are authentic/original style or not.

I have checked out several pictures of interiors on FordBarn and all of them are different

Bob C · 10-10-2017, 09:43 PM

Check out the picture at the right hand bottom corner at this link for
a front and rear seat picture. http://www.model-a-ford.com/proj_8.shtml

Bob

fred93 · 10-10-2017, 10:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bob C

Check out the picture at the right hand bottom corner at this link for
a front and rear seat picture. http://www.model-a-ford.com/proj_8.shtml

Bob

I saw that picture a while ago and wondered if it was correct.

One of the Fordbarn members sent me pictures of his interior (see below) and it looked more like my car except for the front seats.

Then I looked at the Judging Standards book on page 12-16 (see below) It says "seats (plain panel)"

So I am confused to say the least!!!

Chuck Dempsey · 10-11-2017, 07:46 AM

Here are some pics of the back seat of my Oct '29 Tudor. I had it all along under the 1960's naugahyde (sic) upholstery that came with the car. Did know the back seat was still original until I pulled it off last year.

Chuck Dempsey · 10-11-2017, 07:54 AM

Sorry. In trying to upload pics I got a security error. Notified Fordbarn, and will try again later.....

Chuck Dempsey · 10-11-2017, 07:57 AM

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OK, uploading one at a time seems to work..... we will see.

SSsssteamer · 10-11-2017, 09:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Chuck Dempsey

OK, uploading one at a time seems to work..... we will see.

That is the same original type of upholstery that our late 1929 Tudor had in it when we first bought it in 1968. We replaced the worn out interior with like upholstery from LaBarron Bonney. Our new upholstery is still looking good after raising three kids and after 50 years of use later.

Great Lakes Greg · 10-11-2017, 09:49 AM

'29 Tudor seats do not have pleats. Go with the standards.

denniskliesen · 10-11-2017, 12:15 PM

It depends on when your car was built if you go with the RG & JS. Look at the front of your gas tank, it should have a date stamp might be upside down. Also look for numbers stamped on either subrails or crossmember subframe of the body. RG & JS show a change in July 29. Your garnish molding color changed when the interior color changed. fred93, what is the revised date of your RG & JS? Your page 12-16 doesn't look like my Revised 2016.

fred93 · 10-11-2017, 01:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by denniskliesen

It depends on when your car was built if you go with the RG & JS. Look at the front of your gas tank, it should have a date stamp might be upside down. Also look for numbers stamped on either subrails or crossmember subframe of the body. RG & JS show a change in July 29. Your garnish molding color changed when the interior color changed. fred93, what is the revised date of your RG & JS? Your page 12-16 doesn't look like my Revised 2016.

Revised 1997

Gas tank--frame--body-- numbers are below--best I can tell is April 29

Great Lakes Greg · 10-11-2017, 02:45 PM

Still plain.

denniskliesen · 10-11-2017, 05:04 PM

Greg is correct for April, plain. Are you restoring to restoration guidelines?

2manycars · 10-11-2017, 08:29 PM

I asked this question of Doug at Lebaron bonney some years ago, and he said he had seen original seats come in to the shop with one horizontal pleat, multi vertical pleats, and plain with no pleats. My tudor did not have pleats, so I had the new covers made with no pleats.

Hoovercw · 10-11-2017, 08:36 PM

Oh snap! I am so happy to see this post. I am a fair upholster and am making my interior from scratch. I did not like the pleats on the sample pieces I sewed up and had decided to go plain. I was just waiting for all the comments when my fellow enthusiast saw them. Now I can just say I made them in the earlier style.

fred93 · 10-11-2017, 08:39 PM

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Originally Posted by denniskliesen

Greg is correct for April, plain. Are you restoring to restoration guidelines?

Just a driver. Only trying to stay somewhat correct--not nut & bolt crazy!!

SSsssteamer · 10-12-2017, 06:28 PM

I just looked in the Judges Standards book and there were two types of seat upholstery for the 28-29 Tudor. Plain and piped (rolled pleats). The 1928 had piped seats (3,3,8,8) and the 1929 had the plain seats. In 1930, the Tudor came out with the piped seats (5,5,11,11) again. According to that, I have the wrong seats (piped) in my 1929 Tudor.

fred93 · 10-13-2017, 04:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SSsssteamer

I just looked in the Judges Standards book and there were two types of seat upholstery for the 28-29 Tudor. Plain and piped (rolled pleats). The 1928 had piped seats (3,3,8,8) and the 1929 had the plain seats. In 1930, the Tudor came out with the piped seats (5,5,11,11) again. According to that, I have the wrong seats (piped) in my 1929 Tudor.

This upholstery thing has been very confusing. I am amazed that no one has straightened it out before now and put it into a simple chart! Even the JS book is vague on some points.

The other thing that I have trouble understanding is why Ford went to all brown interiors in July 29. I guess Ford was not very color coordinated in those years.

Chuck Dempsey · 10-13-2017, 07:48 PM

So is it determined that 1929 Tudors had PLAIN seats, no PIPES? If so, and I assume this is the original of my back seat, dies it mea that I have a 1928, and not a 1929? The engine is a 1930, and the frame number is too rusted to read. It was titled as a 1928 back in the sixties, but no original title was found. I've gone by other clues (vacuum wiper, fender mount tail light) that it was really a 1929..... Are there any other clues to look for?

Thanks

Chuck Dempsey · 10-13-2017, 07:49 PM

*does it mean* sorry....

denniskliesen · 10-13-2017, 07:54 PM

Fender mount taillight weren't in 1928. Maybe later in 29, but not early. Plain seats in early 29, piping in later 29. If you aren't sure, it's a good investment in a RG & JS latest revision. I knew before I removed my interior for evidence it was not original upholstery even though it looked like it could have been. The give away was seeing some of the door and rear panels had signs of a previous stitch.

10-10-2017, 09:43 PM	#2
Bob C Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: So Cal Posts: 8,741	Re: 29 Tudor seat upholstery pattern question Check out the picture at the right hand bottom corner at this link for a front and rear seat picture. http://www.model-a-ford.com/proj_8.shtml Bob

10-11-2017, 07:46 AM	#4
Chuck Dempsey Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Waynesville, NC Posts: 785	Re: 29 Tudor seat upholstery pattern question Here are some pics of the back seat of my Oct '29 Tudor. I had it all along under the 1960's naugahyde (sic) upholstery that came with the car. Did know the back seat was still original until I pulled it off last year.

10-11-2017, 07:54 AM	#5
Chuck Dempsey Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Waynesville, NC Posts: 785	Re: 29 Tudor seat upholstery pattern question Sorry. In trying to upload pics I got a security error. Notified Fordbarn, and will try again later.....

10-11-2017, 09:49 AM	#8
Great Lakes Greg Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 1,369	Re: 29 Tudor seat upholstery pattern question '29 Tudor seats do not have pleats. Go with the standards.

10-11-2017, 12:15 PM	#9
denniskliesen Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2016 Location: SoCal Posts: 877	Re: 29 Tudor seat upholstery pattern question It depends on when your car was built if you go with the RG & JS. Look at the front of your gas tank, it should have a date stamp might be upside down. Also look for numbers stamped on either subrails or crossmember subframe of the body. RG & JS show a change in July 29. Your garnish molding color changed when the interior color changed. fred93, what is the revised date of your RG & JS? Your page 12-16 doesn't look like my Revised 2016.

10-11-2017, 02:45 PM	#11
Great Lakes Greg Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 1,369	Re: 29 Tudor seat upholstery pattern question Still plain.

10-11-2017, 05:04 PM	#12
denniskliesen Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2016 Location: SoCal Posts: 877	Re: 29 Tudor seat upholstery pattern question Greg is correct for April, plain. Are you restoring to restoration guidelines?

10-11-2017, 08:36 PM	#14
Hoovercw Member Join Date: Mar 2017 Location: Memphis, TN Posts: 63	Re: 29 Tudor seat upholstery pattern question Oh snap! I am so happy to see this post. I am a fair upholster and am making my interior from scratch. I did not like the pleats on the sample pieces I sewed up and had decided to go plain. I was just waiting for all the comments when my fellow enthusiast saw them. Now I can just say I made them in the earlier style.

10-12-2017, 06:28 PM	#16
SSsssteamer Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Sedro-Woolley, WA Posts: 1,023	Re: 29 Tudor seat upholstery pattern question I just looked in the Judges Standards book and there were two types of seat upholstery for the 28-29 Tudor. Plain and piped (rolled pleats). The 1928 had piped seats (3,3,8,8) and the 1929 had the plain seats. In 1930, the Tudor came out with the piped seats (5,5,11,11) again. According to that, I have the wrong seats (piped) in my 1929 Tudor.

10-13-2017, 07:49 PM	#19
Chuck Dempsey Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Waynesville, NC Posts: 785	Re: 29 Tudor seat upholstery pattern question does it mean sorry....

10-13-2017, 07:54 PM	#20
denniskliesen Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2016 Location: SoCal Posts: 877	Re: 29 Tudor seat upholstery pattern question Fender mount taillight weren't in 1928. Maybe later in 29, but not early. Plain seats in early 29, piping in later 29. If you aren't sure, it's a good investment in a RG & JS latest revision. I knew before I removed my interior for evidence it was not original upholstery even though it looked like it could have been. The give away was seeing some of the door and rear panels had signs of a previous stitch.