The Ford Barn

Joop · 06-30-2018, 09:36 AM

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Any news on the scores in Reno
Pictures would be nice also

Thanks

Railcarmover · 06-30-2018, 12:34 PM

'31 SW got 497...

Synchro909 · 06-30-2018, 04:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Railcarmover

'31 SW got 497...

Wasn’t it 497.7?

A pretty darned nice car what ever way.
The list of gold standard car seemed endless.

Railcarmover · 06-30-2018, 11:09 PM

MARC National had only five cars in fine point judging..MAFCA had around twenty.Takes a special breed to devote the time and effort,then allow a judge to score your work.

foxfire42 · 07-01-2018, 12:36 AM

Big spread between Top score and mine. I only got 485.1

Bill Cilker · 07-01-2018, 03:02 PM

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Here are the results:

MAFCA Reno Meet (June 24 to 29, 2018) - Vehicle Judging Results

MODIFIED CLASS
Keith Collins – 1930 Sport Coupe – 429 points -Award of Excellence
Carroll Vaughan – 1930 Open Cab Pickup – 455.5 points - Award of Excellence

TOURING CLASS
Roger Davis – 1929 Town Sedan – 323.9 points – 3rd Place
Ron Peterson – 1930 Tudor – 331.1 points – 2nd Place
Alan South – 1931 Open Cab Pickup – 362 points – 2nd Place
Rick Jensen – 1930 Town Sedan – 380.9 point – 1st Place
Ed Poffenburger – 1929 Town Sedan – 382.8 points – 1st Place
Bob & Becky Ingram – 1930 Deluxe Coupe – 423.7 points - Award of Excellence

RESTORED CLASS
Dennis Martin – 1929 Open Cab Pickup – 407.2 points - Award of Excellence
William Acker – 1928 Sport Coupe – 437.1 points - Award of Excellence
Nancy Burtz – 1931 Closed Cab Pickup – 438.2 points - Award of Excellence
Steve Hamilton – 1929 Taxicab – 455.4 points - Award of Excellence
Ben Lehrfeld – 1931 Town Sedan – 457.8 points - Award of Excellence
Ralph Laurie – 1931 Deluxe Delivery – 461 points - Award of Excellence
Robert McLaughlin – 1931 SW Deluxe Fordor – 464.1 points - Award of Excellence
John Ramsey – 1928 Roadster – 465.9 points - Award of Excellence
Ray Fiorsei – 1930 Deluxe Phaeton – 470.8 points - Award of Excellence
Stan Braden – 1929 Open Cab Pickup – 471.8 points - Award of Excellence
Jim Barbee – 1931 Convertible Sedan – 476.6 points - Award of Excellence
Ed & Wilma Shannon – 1929 Town Sedan – 479.3 points - Award of Excellence
Arlyn Bieber – 1931 Victoria – 481.7 points - Award of Excellence
Ron Rude – 1928 Light Delivery – 483.9 points - Award of Excellence
Barbara Jo Birt – 1931 Town Car Delivery – 485.1 points - Award of Excellence
Doug Clayton – 1931 SW Deluxe Fordor – 497.7 points - Award of Excellence

ORIGINAL CLASS
Ed & Wilma Shannon – 1929 Town Sedan – 463.2 points - Award of Excellence
Bill & Liz Cilker – 1931 Victoria – 470.3 points - Award of Excellence

BEST OF SHOW
Doug & Debbie Clayton – 1931 SW Deluxe Fordor – 497.7 points

Joop · 07-01-2018, 03:36 PM

Thanks Bill

art ebeling · 07-01-2018, 07:54 PM

Congratulations to all but especially Arlyn Bieber who has helped with me with my Victoria restoration.

msmaron · 07-01-2018, 09:18 PM

Much congratulations ��

WTSHNN · 07-02-2018, 10:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by foxfire42

Big spread between Top score and mine. I only got 485.1

Can we see pics of your car?

7_Zero · 07-02-2018, 11:40 PM

Wasn't able to catch them all, but here are a few pics.

7_Zero · 07-02-2018, 11:50 PM

Here are some more...

Bick in New Zealand · 07-03-2018, 06:56 PM

Does anyone know how much the Towncar delivery scored?

KenCoupe · 07-03-2018, 09:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bick in New Zealand

Does anyone know how much the Towncar delivery scored?

I believe it was 485.1.

Bick in New Zealand · 07-04-2018, 02:36 AM

Thanks Ken.

Bick in New Zealand · 07-04-2018, 02:37 AM

Fabulous lot of photos, thank you for posting them.

dean from bozeman · 07-04-2018, 06:58 AM

Congratulations to all the vehicles (and their owners) that were in the fine point judging. Just wish that I could have been there to see all those incredible Model A's.

Doug, you continue to outdo yourself which sets the bar higher and higher for all of us.

Barbara Jo, it is always a treat to see what your next project will be. The Town Car Delivery is outrageous and adds to your stable of top A's.

Ron, I'm so proud of you. For a guy older than the Sierra Mountains, you made all the early "A" crowd folks proud with your wonderful railroad truck.

Arlyn, be forewarned that if you ever leave your keys in the ignition of that beautiful car, I will steal it and bring it to Montana where it belongs. :-0

Again, congratulations to all the vehicles and their owners.

Doug Clayton · 07-06-2018, 05:22 PM

Just added a couple of pictures of the 160-C from Reno.
Not as flashy as the Town Car Delivery, but managed a Best-of0Show

Jeff/Illinois · 07-06-2018, 09:35 PM

Neat cars. That last picture of the '28 Tudor with 19" wheels kinda throws you, for being a Fine Point car though.

Neat thanks for posting them.

Railcarmover · 07-07-2018, 12:08 AM

The 29 open cab pickup with the whitewalls scored a 407 fine point...and is driven regularly.

Gary Karr · 07-07-2018, 12:29 PM

Congratulations again Doug. You keep raising the bar on fine point restorations!

denniskliesen · 07-07-2018, 09:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jeff/Illinois

Neat cars. That last picture of the '28 Tudor with 19" wheels kinda throws you, for being a Fine Point car though.

Neat thanks for posting them.

The last picture of the 28 Tudor was not a judged car, it was parked at the end of the upper parking area when the judged cars were open for viewing. He was leaving the upper level to park in a different parking lot.

Bick in New Zealand · 07-08-2018, 04:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Doug Clayton

Just added a couple of pictures of the 160-C from Reno.
Not as flashy as the Town Car Delivery, but managed a Best-of0Show

Stunning restoration Doug, congratulations on an outstanding effort!

Jeff/Illinois · 07-08-2018, 12:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by denniskliesen

The last picture of the 28 Tudor was not a judged car, it was parked at the end of the upper parking area when the judged cars were open for viewing. He was leaving the upper level to park in a different parking lot.

Gotcha. Sharp Tudor none the less, I liked it

aermotor · 07-09-2018, 07:05 AM

Could someone give me some examples of what minus points would be for in Bill Clickers List?

John

Bill Cilker · 07-09-2018, 11:29 PM

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John
I am not quite sure what you are asking, but I think that you are asking how cars are judged.

At a MARC or MAFCA meet that has Vehicle Judging, Model A’s are judged against the Restoration Guidelines and Judging Standards. They are not judged one Model A against another. In Reno the Judges used the 1997 Guidelines. (The new 2011 Guidelines will be used at the next National Meet. This gives a restorer time to update his Model A,) If a person were to restore a Model A according to the Guidelines, his Model A would technically look like it did when it came off the assembly line.

In Vehicle Judging each vehicle starts out with 500 points and if it does not have the correct details for its year and month, it will lose points. There are 23 areas in the guidelines and they were assigned to about 12 teams of Judges. A Judging team will probably have 1 or 2 Areas to judge. Each Judging team judges the same Areas for all the cars in the Vehicle Judging. Each Area is given a certain number points (such as Area 10-Glass and Side Curtains is worth 10 points).

After all teams are done judging, the Area sheets are tallied for that vehicle and that is the overall score is arrived at.

I hope that this answers your question.

aermotor · 07-10-2018, 05:53 AM

Sorta answers. I guess what I am asking is for examples of why cars had points deducted from the 500?

John

WTSHNN · 07-10-2018, 06:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by aermotor

Sorta answers. I guess what I am asking is for examples of why cars had points deducted from the 500?

John

Because they used a reproduction ammeter.

Because they used a ‘31 part on a ‘28.

Because they had an alternator instead of a generator.

Because a bolt was raven finished when it should have been unfinished.

Because there was a run in the paint on a splash apron.

Literally thousands of reasons why points are earned/lost.

-Tim

BILL WILLIAMSON · 07-10-2018, 09:01 AM

Let's not take it LIGHTLY, when we think of making a Model A back to "SHOWROOM" condition!!!---It takes a lots of SWEAT/DEDICATION/SKILLS/MONEY, and the list could go ON & ON & ON!!!---Even with the average, nice car, you feel that you're NEVER REALLY DONE!!!---Sorta' like tryin' to "RESTORE" my DECREPID, OLD body, to "SHOWROOM" condition!!!---LOL & LOL & LOL!!!
Bill Salutingthosefolks

Bick in New Zealand · 07-10-2018, 06:35 PM

I must admit thinking, 'I wonder what Doug dropped 2.7 points on' when I saw his score. So close to the perfect score!

foxfire42 · 08-01-2018, 12:30 PM

Math error brought the Town Car Delivery score up to 490.1

Bill Cilker · 08-01-2018, 01:00 PM

Congratulations on the adjustment.

Joop · 08-01-2018, 05:03 PM

Mistakes where made

Barbara Birts car got a revised score
Now it is 490.1

Congratulations

jw hash · 08-01-2018, 08:55 PM

Congratulations Barb it was well deserved.

larrys40 · 08-01-2018, 09:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by art ebeling

Congratulations to all but especially Arlyn Bieber who has helped with me with my Victoria restoration.

Art
Yes... congrats to all. Mulling over if I do my 68c to fine point or not. Arlyn is a great guy. I’m sure your Victoria will be top notch as well.
Larry

06-30-2018, 09:36 AM	#1
Joop Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Glendale, AZ Posts: 2,950	The Fine Point cars of Reno .. Any news on the scores in Reno Pictures would be nice also Thanks Last edited by Joop; 07-01-2018 at 05:25 AM.

06-30-2018, 12:34 PM	#2
Railcarmover BANNED Join Date: Apr 2017 Location: Sacramento Posts: 1,262	Re: The Fine Point cars of Reno '31 SW got 497...

06-30-2018, 11:09 PM	#4
Railcarmover BANNED Join Date: Apr 2017 Location: Sacramento Posts: 1,262	Re: The Fine Point cars of Reno MARC National had only five cars in fine point judging..MAFCA had around twenty.Takes a special breed to devote the time and effort,then allow a judge to score your work.

07-01-2018, 12:36 AM	#5
foxfire42 Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: AZ and WA Posts: 764	Re: The Fine Point cars of Reno Big spread between Top score and mine. I only got 485.1 Last edited by foxfire42; 07-01-2018 at 10:02 PM.

07-01-2018, 03:02 PM	#6
Bill Cilker Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: Milpitas, CA Posts: 398	Re: The Fine Point cars of Reno Sponsored Links (Register now to hide all advertisements) Here are the results: MAFCA Reno Meet (June 24 to 29, 2018) - Vehicle Judging Results MODIFIED CLASS Keith Collins – 1930 Sport Coupe – 429 points -Award of Excellence Carroll Vaughan – 1930 Open Cab Pickup – 455.5 points - Award of Excellence TOURING CLASS Roger Davis – 1929 Town Sedan – 323.9 points – 3rd Place Ron Peterson – 1930 Tudor – 331.1 points – 2nd Place Alan South – 1931 Open Cab Pickup – 362 points – 2nd Place Rick Jensen – 1930 Town Sedan – 380.9 point – 1st Place Ed Poffenburger – 1929 Town Sedan – 382.8 points – 1st Place Bob & Becky Ingram – 1930 Deluxe Coupe – 423.7 points - Award of Excellence RESTORED CLASS Dennis Martin – 1929 Open Cab Pickup – 407.2 points - Award of Excellence William Acker – 1928 Sport Coupe – 437.1 points - Award of Excellence Nancy Burtz – 1931 Closed Cab Pickup – 438.2 points - Award of Excellence Steve Hamilton – 1929 Taxicab – 455.4 points - Award of Excellence Ben Lehrfeld – 1931 Town Sedan – 457.8 points - Award of Excellence Ralph Laurie – 1931 Deluxe Delivery – 461 points - Award of Excellence Robert McLaughlin – 1931 SW Deluxe Fordor – 464.1 points - Award of Excellence John Ramsey – 1928 Roadster – 465.9 points - Award of Excellence Ray Fiorsei – 1930 Deluxe Phaeton – 470.8 points - Award of Excellence Stan Braden – 1929 Open Cab Pickup – 471.8 points - Award of Excellence Jim Barbee – 1931 Convertible Sedan – 476.6 points - Award of Excellence Ed & Wilma Shannon – 1929 Town Sedan – 479.3 points - Award of Excellence Arlyn Bieber – 1931 Victoria – 481.7 points - Award of Excellence Ron Rude – 1928 Light Delivery – 483.9 points - Award of Excellence Barbara Jo Birt – 1931 Town Car Delivery – 485.1 points - Award of Excellence Doug Clayton – 1931 SW Deluxe Fordor – 497.7 points - Award of Excellence ORIGINAL CLASS Ed & Wilma Shannon – 1929 Town Sedan – 463.2 points - Award of Excellence Bill & Liz Cilker – 1931 Victoria – 470.3 points - Award of Excellence BEST OF SHOW Doug & Debbie Clayton – 1931 SW Deluxe Fordor – 497.7 points __________________ Bill Cilker, Jr Unrestored 190A Victoria 45B, 160B & 189A Victoria Association President

07-01-2018, 03:36 PM	#7
Joop Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Glendale, AZ Posts: 2,950	Re: The Fine Point cars of Reno Thanks Bill

07-01-2018, 07:54 PM	#8
art ebeling Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2014 Location: Hillsboro IL Posts: 479	Re: The Fine Point cars of Reno Congratulations to all but especially Arlyn Bieber who has helped with me with my Victoria restoration.

07-01-2018, 09:18 PM	#9
msmaron Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Wauconda, IL Posts: 3,600	Re: The Fine Point cars of Reno Much congratulations �� __________________ Mark Maron Ill., Region MARC & MAFCA MARC JSC Member MAFFI Trustee National Facebook Admin. https://www.facebook.com/groups/MARC.group/ A7191-Sport Coupe 29 Roadster 29-Town Sedan 29-Original Special Coupe

07-03-2018, 06:56 PM	#13
Bick in New Zealand Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Napier New Zealand Posts: 931	Re: The Fine Point cars of Reno Does anyone know how much the Towncar delivery scored? __________________ 1928 Roadster (CA67) 1931 Deluxe Coupe RHD 1931 Victoria RHD Model A's don't leak oil they just mark their territory.

07-04-2018, 02:36 AM	#15
Bick in New Zealand Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Napier New Zealand Posts: 931	Re: The Fine Point cars of Reno Thanks Ken. __________________ 1928 Roadster (CA67) 1931 Deluxe Coupe RHD 1931 Victoria RHD Model A's don't leak oil they just mark their territory.

07-04-2018, 02:37 AM	#16
Bick in New Zealand Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Napier New Zealand Posts: 931	Re: The Fine Point cars of Reno Fabulous lot of photos, thank you for posting them. __________________ 1928 Roadster (CA67) 1931 Deluxe Coupe RHD 1931 Victoria RHD Model A's don't leak oil they just mark their territory.

07-04-2018, 06:58 AM	#17
dean from bozeman Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Bozeman, Montana Posts: 997	Re: The Fine Point cars of Reno Congratulations to all the vehicles (and their owners) that were in the fine point judging. Just wish that I could have been there to see all those incredible Model A's. Doug, you continue to outdo yourself which sets the bar higher and higher for all of us. Barbara Jo, it is always a treat to see what your next project will be. The Town Car Delivery is outrageous and adds to your stable of top A's. Ron, I'm so proud of you. For a guy older than the Sierra Mountains, you made all the early "A" crowd folks proud with your wonderful railroad truck. Arlyn, be forewarned that if you ever leave your keys in the ignition of that beautiful car, I will steal it and bring it to Montana where it belongs. :-0 Again, congratulations to all the vehicles and their owners.

07-06-2018, 09:35 PM	#19
Jeff/Illinois Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 2,789	Re: The Fine Point cars of Reno Neat cars. That last picture of the '28 Tudor with 19" wheels kinda throws you, for being a Fine Point car though. Neat thanks for posting them.

07-07-2018, 12:08 AM	#20
Railcarmover BANNED Join Date: Apr 2017 Location: Sacramento Posts: 1,262	Re: The Fine Point cars of Reno The 29 open cab pickup with the whitewalls scored a 407 fine point...and is driven regularly.

07-07-2018, 12:29 PM	#21
Gary Karr Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: San Diego, CA Posts: 1,486	Re: The Fine Point cars of Reno Congratulations again Doug. You keep raising the bar on fine point restorations!

07-09-2018, 07:05 AM	#25
aermotor Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2015 Location: Greenville, SC Posts: 1,099	Re: The Fine Point cars of Reno Could someone give me some examples of what minus points would be for in Bill Clickers List? John

07-09-2018, 11:29 PM	#26
Bill Cilker Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: Milpitas, CA Posts: 398	Re: The Fine Point cars of Reno Sponsored Links (Register now to hide all advertisements) John I am not quite sure what you are asking, but I think that you are asking how cars are judged. At a MARC or MAFCA meet that has Vehicle Judging, Model A’s are judged against the Restoration Guidelines and Judging Standards. They are not judged one Model A against another. In Reno the Judges used the 1997 Guidelines. (The new 2011 Guidelines will be used at the next National Meet. This gives a restorer time to update his Model A,) If a person were to restore a Model A according to the Guidelines, his Model A would technically look like it did when it came off the assembly line. In Vehicle Judging each vehicle starts out with 500 points and if it does not have the correct details for its year and month, it will lose points. There are 23 areas in the guidelines and they were assigned to about 12 teams of Judges. A Judging team will probably have 1 or 2 Areas to judge. Each Judging team judges the same Areas for all the cars in the Vehicle Judging. Each Area is given a certain number points (such as Area 10-Glass and Side Curtains is worth 10 points). After all teams are done judging, the Area sheets are tallied for that vehicle and that is the overall score is arrived at. I hope that this answers your question. __________________ Bill Cilker, Jr Unrestored 190A Victoria 45B, 160B & 189A Victoria Association President

07-10-2018, 05:53 AM	#27
aermotor Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2015 Location: Greenville, SC Posts: 1,099	Re: The Fine Point cars of Reno Sorta answers. I guess what I am asking is for examples of why cars had points deducted from the 500? John

07-10-2018, 09:01 AM	#29
BILL WILLIAMSON Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: FRESNO, CA Posts: 12,560	Re: The Fine Point cars of Reno Let's not take it LIGHTLY, when we think of making a Model A back to "SHOWROOM" condition!!!---It takes a lots of SWEAT/DEDICATION/SKILLS/MONEY, and the list could go ON & ON & ON!!!---Even with the average, nice car, you feel that you're NEVER REALLY DONE!!!---Sorta' like tryin' to "RESTORE" my DECREPID, OLD body, to "SHOWROOM" condition!!!---LOL & LOL & LOL!!! Bill Salutingthosefolks __________________ "THE ASSISTANT GURU OF STUFF"

07-10-2018, 06:35 PM	#30
Bick in New Zealand Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Napier New Zealand Posts: 931	Re: The Fine Point cars of Reno I must admit thinking, 'I wonder what Doug dropped 2.7 points on' when I saw his score. So close to the perfect score! __________________ 1928 Roadster (CA67) 1931 Deluxe Coupe RHD 1931 Victoria RHD Model A's don't leak oil they just mark their territory.

08-01-2018, 12:30 PM	#31
foxfire42 Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: AZ and WA Posts: 764	Re: The Fine Point cars of Reno Math error brought the Town Car Delivery score up to 490.1

08-01-2018, 01:00 PM	#32
Bill Cilker Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: Milpitas, CA Posts: 398	Re: The Fine Point cars of Reno Congratulations on the adjustment. __________________ Bill Cilker, Jr Unrestored 190A Victoria 45B, 160B & 189A Victoria Association President

08-01-2018, 05:03 PM	#33
Joop Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Glendale, AZ Posts: 2,950	Re: The Fine Point cars of Reno Mistakes where made Barbara Birts car got a revised score Now it is 490.1 Congratulations

08-01-2018, 08:55 PM	#34
jw hash Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Auburn Washington Posts: 2,552	Re: The Fine Point cars of Reno Congratulations Barb it was well deserved.