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Old 09-05-2021, 07:50 AM   #1
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Default Local Estate Auction 1935 Roadster Sells for $53,925.00

I went and previewed this car a couple weeks ago. History of car was that this 35 Roadster was wrecked shortly after it was purchased new. Owner didn't want a wrecked car. This guys Grandfather (who owned a body shop) bought the car and it sat in his shop for 6 years until his oldest son was in high school. When he was old enough to drive, they pieced it back together, and he and his sisters drove the car to school for several years. They liked the 36 frontend better than the 35 so it changed when the car was frame off restored in the 80's. Car was driven very little after that, and it showed. The restoration was done very well. This was a nice car that needed tires and a good cleaning. There was some looseness in the lower hinge on the drivers door and a few paint defects. I was truly amazed at the selling price. Car was recently appraised at $35,000.00. A couple guys must have really wanted this car.
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Old 09-05-2021, 08:39 AM   #2
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Thanks for the update on this auction. I wondered how it would sell being a hybrid of '35 and '36.
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Although it looks to be a very nice car, the fact that it is sorta a "Heinz 57" version goes against everything I have been hearing and reading about the pricing of these these cars.
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That is a pretty high price . . . though there are not that many 35/36 roadsters out there.
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I was watching the RM Auburn Indiana sale live Friday, Glen Hague Collection, and I thought that some of the car prices were soft. '40 Ford Coupes they were struggling to get $7000- $9000 dollars. A '40 Ford Convt. looked pretty nice, I think went for $14K.

Earlier they sold Model A's that really weren't bringing a lot of money. They all needed to be restored . '30 Roadster they advertised as a '29 sold at something like $7,000 or there abouts.

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I was watching the RM Auburn Indiana sale live Friday, Glen Hague Collection, and I thought that some of the car prices were soft. '40 Ford Coupes they were struggling to get $7000- $9000 dollars. A '40 Ford Convt. looked pretty nice, I think went for $14K.
Yeah, some of those prices do seem low even for cars than need some finishing or TLC.

'29 Roadster for $5.5k
'38 Convertible Sedan for $9.3k
'40 Woody for $22.5k
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Prices for Woodies have fallen very steeply in the past couple of years. Wagons that sold for near $100K, can be had for $30-40K if so inclined.
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Prices for Woodies have fallen very steeply in the past couple of years. Wagons that sold for near $100K, can be had for $30-40K if so inclined.
Tim I've been noticing that too.

I don't really know why.
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[QUOTE=Jeff/Illinois;2053423]I was watching the RM Auburn Indiana sale live Friday, Glen Hague Collection, and I thought that some of the car prices were soft. '40 Ford Coupes they were struggling to get $7000- $9000 dollars. A '40 Ford Convt. looked pretty nice, I think went for $14K.

I stand corrected on the Coupes I commented on, they brought a bit more than I recalled!
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Here is the link to the Glen Hague collection results: https://rmsothebys.com/en/home/auction-results/af21
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30 year rule.... Today's collector car buyer with real bucks wants a twin turbo toyota supra.... Now that's some old skool stuff. 50 year old bank president wanted one in HS, but no way it was gonna happen. Now he has big bucks....He doesn't lust after 95 hp and mechanical brakes. Being 50 might be ok on some levels, but I'll be in the just short of 70 league thanks...
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I agree completely, but some just don't "get" the 30 or whatever rule. Each generation has their own unique "wish I had one of those" lists and it is ever moving forward. Sure, there are exceptions, but that's what they are, exceptions.
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I hate to say it, but I agree; look what's selling these days : VW vans, C10's and Toyota LandCruisers.
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I hate to say it, but I agree; look what's selling these days : VW vans, C10's and Toyota LandCruisers.
I don't have, collect,restore old fords for the money or an investment. I just like them and have a personal junkyard of them on my adjoining 5 acres. I rarely have to buy parts.... BUT I could not agree more on Tubman's list of the Big 3 that I see on the road today. I live on an island on the west coast, BIG tourist destination for upscale young vacationers. Seems every other vehicle getting off the ferry is a vanagon (preferebly a 4wd synchro), a square body chev with a camper or an fj 60 landcruiser wagon. All of them have a stack of mountain bikes on the tail and a couple of kayaks or stand up surfboards (why???) on the roof. Now I'm rambling, but I just had to comment on Tubman's astute observation on his 3 picks.
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I hate to say it, but I agree; look what's selling these days : VW vans, C10's and Toyota LandCruisers.
VW vans have started their decline as well since that market demographic is starting to age out. 10 years ago, these VW were selling for Woodie prices. $100-150K was not uncommon.

They've cooled off some, but not as much as Ford Woodies. I really believe that when Martha Stewart had an episode of her show featuring her tailgating with a Woodie, the prices spiked because all of those wealthy housewives wanted to be like Martha.

Well, that lasted like most fashion trends.

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In an effort to help rebalance the universe, I’ve just purchased a 1936 Ford Phaeton, maroon as the roadster which began this thread. Beautiful car, great driver, high quality paint and all for…$30,000

At some point common sense will bring Boomers and Millenials back to cars of the 30s and 40s, if only for their relative value when compared to what is currently trading on BaT and Hemmings.
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PS - to underscore Tim’s point, 1936 woodie picture in my avatar was bought for $48,000…which may have been a tad too much, but the paint is gorgeous and restoration not “overdone”. Seller provided $135,000 in receipts.
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PS - to underscore Tim’s point, 1936 woodie picture in my avatar was bought for $48,000…which may have been a tad too much, but the paint is gorgeous and restoration not “overdone”. Seller provided $135,000 in receipts.
Isn't the Woodie in the "Pictured Avatar" a 1938?
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Sorry, yes, 38. New Phaeton is 36. Aging synapses.
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I bought a really nice original 40 deluxe opera coupe this summer for 30k and was happy to get it.
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I bought a really nice original 40 deluxe opera coupe this summer for 30k and was happy to get it.
I wasn't aware of Ford offering an opera coupe in 1940.
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VW vans have started their decline as well since that market demographic is starting to age out. 10 years ago, these VW shit boxes were selling for Woodie prices. $100-150K was not uncommon.

They've cooled off some, but not as much as Ford Woodies. I really believe that when Martha Stewart had an episode of her show featuring her tailgating with a Woodie, the prices spiked because all of those wealthy housewives wanted to be like Martha.

Well, that lasted like most fashion trends.
This is quite wrong and out of touch in regards to VW's. The market for panel busses, 13 window busses, and the more plain versions being converted into the deluxe 21 and 23 window busses has declined. These are the quick flips you see in the auctions. Your quote of $100-150k is for these conversions, certain legitimate VW's are easily fetching $500k for meticulously restored versions.

Prices for most air-cooled VW's, including legitimate deluxe busses are increasing. Most sell privately, so you never see the prices or flashy pictures.

Your term of "shit boxes" is out of touch and not necessary to this discussion or your point.
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This is quite wrong and out of touch in regards to VW's. The market for panel busses, 13 window busses, and the more plain versions being converted into the deluxe 21 and 23 window busses has declined. These are the quick flips you see in the auctions. Your quote of $100-150k is for these conversions, certain legitimate VW's are easily fetching $500k for meticulously restored versions.

Prices for most air-cooled VW's, including legitimate deluxe busses are increasing. Most sell privately, so you never see the prices or flashy pictures.

Your term of "shit boxes" is out of touch and not necessary to this discussion or your point.
Point well taken about the term and I deserved to be called out. I'm a VW guy previously (before the prices got out of hand) and I use the term loosely. By the use of that term I meant dangerously slow (in stock form) and drive and handle like a over weighted lunch box.

Regarding real 21-23 buses, it appears I misspoke and I appreciate your correction. I have been loosely tracking the converted buses and I don't have access to the private sales nor am I in the market for a real bus.

Thank you for the correction. It was deserved.
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Point well taken about the term and I deserved to be called out. I'm a VW guy previously (before the prices got out of hand) and I use the term loosely. By the use of that term I meant dangerously slow (in stock form) and drive and handle like a over weighted lunch box.

Regarding real 21-23 buses, it appears I misspoke and I appreciate your correction. I have been loosely tracking the converted buses and I don't have access to the private sales nor am I in the market for a real bus.

Thank you for the correction. It was deserved.
No worries. I'm a VW guy too, and have little use for a bus, regardless of the price. I do think the bus prices are way out of hand, even for the basic versions. Those are in the $10k-40k range depending on the condition. Air cooled bugs are getting into the $5k and higher territory now.
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So who's buying these VWs? These were big when I was in my twenties. It would seem that guys my age would be buying these things for nostalgia purposes? Not me. I have zero interest in them, but I am not typical.
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So who's buying these VWs? These were big when I was in my twenties. It would seem that guys my age would be buying these things for nostalgia purposes? Not me. I have zero interest in them, but I am not typical.
The replica bus buyers are just the typical auction fame seekers as far as the real VW’s are concerned it the typical big time VW collectors. Jerry Seinfeld is one, Fluffy Guy another comedian, VW dealership owners, and the others that like to remain anonymous. Some of the VW’s are coachbuilt, the same coachbuilders that built cars for Mercedes, Porsche, etc.

Romestch, Hebmuller, Danuer and Strauss, Karmann, etc.
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They didn’t. But you know exactly which coupe I’m talking about and so do 99.9% of 40 ford owners. I have your book, so I know what Ford called the different coupes. Consider me admonished by the lord of the 40 Ford. Now feel free to tell everyone what they really call the 40 with the little fold down seats.
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They didn’t. But you know exactly which coupe I’m talking about and so do 99.9% of 40 ford owners. I have your book, so I know what Ford called the different coupes. Consider me admonished by the lord of the 40 Ford. Now feel free to tell everyone what they really call the 40 with the little fold down seats.
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Here's the coupe I just bought.
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Here's the coupe I just bought.
Appears to be a nice ol' Ford. Congrats!
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Thanks Kube, pretty happy with my business coupe……
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Thanks Kube, pretty happy with my business coupe……
I'm restoring one of those at this time. Kind of cool. Still, I have to wonder how big (tiny) the woman photographed in the rear seat area was that Ford used for their advertisements back then.
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You guys make me afraid to buy a 40 Ford coupe (I own no 40 Fords) - for fear that I might call it the wrong name!

Just kidding yah . . . a but too much coffee is flowing through my veins.
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Just kidding yah . . . a but too much coffee is flowing through my veins.
Too much coffee is like too much money. Simply no such thing.
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Past a certain age, there is such a thing as too much coffee (as it is a diuretic).
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