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hotcoupe · 08-29-2018, 05:11 PM

Hello, Can anyone identify these cylinder heads. I have a pair and I believe they are pretty war, judging from the single water outlet.
Tom https://flic.kr/s/aHsmr6rxBm it

Russ/40 · 08-29-2018, 05:14 PM

Cant get beyond 3 photos of your truck.
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hotcoupe · 08-29-2018, 05:15 PM

Well that didn't work, stand by.
Tom

jrvariel48 · 08-29-2018, 05:22 PM

It works , you just have to click on "Back to album list"

rotorwrench · 08-29-2018, 05:47 PM

There was just a discussion here about Weiand cheater heads.

hotcoupe · 08-29-2018, 05:54 PM

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Let's try that again.
Tom https://www.flickr.com/gp/156277120@N07/r5M542
Bear with me fellows, I don't have any idea what I'm doing with this phone.

JSeery · 08-29-2018, 06:30 PM

Wouldn't it be easier to post the photos in the post as attachments?

hotcoupe · 08-29-2018, 07:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JSeery

Wouldn't it be easier to post the photos in the post as attachments?

I tried to post as an attachment and I get a message about a security token or invalid something.
Tom

V8COOPMAN · 08-29-2018, 08:13 PM

Those surely are different! Can't say that I've ever seen a combustion chamber with that big dimple. I'd bet that those are not of Ford origin, but what do I know? DD

42merc · 08-29-2018, 09:13 PM

I think they are an aftermarket replacement head.
A lot of them were available at the parts houses back when, priced cheaper than the Ford dealer source.

Many frozen/broken heads in the '30s-'40s because folks used inexpensive alcohol for freeze protection rather than permanent anti-freeze in their autos.

JSeery · 08-29-2018, 10:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hotcoupe

I tried to post as an attachment and I get a message about a security token or invalid something.
Tom

What size are the photo files?

outlaw · 08-29-2018, 11:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JSeery

Wouldn't it be easier to post the photos in the post as attachments?

The second photo shows "patented" across the middle of the head. Is there a way to contact the patent office & see if there is a way to find out whose patent it is?

tubman · 08-29-2018, 11:36 PM

Those heads are real "groovy". I wonder if the groove was an attempt to increase the size of the transfer area to the combustion chamber?

jimTN · 08-30-2018, 07:38 AM

Never seen W "cheater" heads like that. Check the rear side of those water outlets to see if there is anything stamped there.

redmodelt · 08-30-2018, 10:34 AM

Re: patented suggestion
No, not without a name or pat. number. They would need a name or number as place to start.

https://www.google.com/advanced_patent_search

You could try this;

http://patft.uspto.gov/netahtml/PTO/search-adv.htm

Not George · 08-30-2018, 10:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JSeery

Wouldn't it be easier to post the photos in the post as attachments?

Thank you. it's easier for me.

Flathead · 08-30-2018, 01:48 PM

Interesting head design but I don't see any benefit. The groove kind of misses the transfer area.

Ol' Ron · 08-30-2018, 02:33 PM

Back a number of years ago I was testing several combustion chamber shapes for best flow. In the stock heads the 8BA and EAB are very good. However in a effort to increas compression the angle of the transfer area is important. For street I used an 8 degree angle when I was re chambering heads. and a 12 degree angle was best for flow. But the castings were not thick enough for this. The best chamber was a wedge chamber similar to the chevy 409 engine woth a 7 deg piston angle and an 8 Deg head angle. Tried to have Egge make a set of pistons, but they were to expensive. HOwever in 02 on a trip to Bville with JWL the pistons in that engine were of the wedge type. I don't believe any of this would have much an affect on a street engine.
Be interesting if someone could take this info and test it. Maybe Tod sould cast up a set of heads as well.

petehoovie · 08-30-2018, 02:46 PM

Maybe the 'groove' in those heads are to accommodate some sort of wedge or baffled pistons....

mercman from oz · 08-30-2018, 05:07 PM

Here is a picture of a pair of 21 stud Ford Heads. I believe that the one in the front showing the firing order is from a British Ford Pilot. The Ford Pilot V8's were sold from 1949 to 1951, or there abouts, and were a popular import to Australia. Can anyone confirm that this Head is off a Ford Pilot?

08-29-2018, 05:11 PM	#1
hotcoupe Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: imperial,mo Posts: 694	Unusual cylinder heads Hello, Can anyone identify these cylinder heads. I have a pair and I believe they are pretty war, judging from the single water outlet. Tom https://flic.kr/s/aHsmr6rxBm it

08-29-2018, 05:14 PM	#2
Russ/40 Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Santee, California Posts: 3,505	Re: Unusual cylinder heads Cant get beyond 3 photos of your truck. ??????????????

08-29-2018, 05:15 PM	#3
hotcoupe Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: imperial,mo Posts: 694	Re: Unusual cylinder heads Well that didn't work, stand by. Tom

08-29-2018, 05:22 PM	#4
jrvariel48 Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: New Jersey Posts: 1,423	Re: Unusual cylinder heads It works , you just have to click on "Back to album list"

08-29-2018, 05:47 PM	#5
rotorwrench Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: San Antonio, Texas Posts: 16,422	Re: Unusual cylinder heads There was just a discussion here about Weiand cheater heads.

08-29-2018, 05:54 PM	#6
hotcoupe Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: imperial,mo Posts: 694	Re: Unusual cylinder heads Sponsored Links (Register now to hide all advertisements) Let's try that again. Tom https://www.flickr.com/gp/156277120@N07/r5M542 Bear with me fellows, I don't have any idea what I'm doing with this phone.

08-29-2018, 08:13 PM	#9
V8COOPMAN Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: East Shore of LAKE HOUSTON Posts: 11,106	Re: Unusual cylinder heads Those surely are different! Can't say that I've ever seen a combustion chamber with that big dimple. I'd bet that those are not of Ford origin, but what do I know? DD __________________ *Click Links Below* __ ▼ *'35-'36 W/8BA & MECHANICAL FAN* *T5 W/TORQUE TUBE*

08-29-2018, 09:13 PM	#10
42merc Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: Buchanan, MI Posts: 676	Re: Unusual cylinder heads I think they are an aftermarket replacement head. A lot of them were available at the parts houses back when, priced cheaper than the Ford dealer source. Many frozen/broken heads in the '30s-'40s because folks used inexpensive alcohol for freeze protection rather than permanent anti-freeze in their autos. Last edited by 42merc; 08-29-2018 at 09:25 PM.

08-29-2018, 11:36 PM	#13
tubman Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2013 Location: Minnesota, Florida Keys Posts: 10,303	Re: Unusual cylinder heads Those heads are real "groovy". I wonder if the groove was an attempt to increase the size of the transfer area to the combustion chamber?

08-30-2018, 07:38 AM	#14
jimTN Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Powell, TN Posts: 2,508	Re: Unusual cylinder heads Never seen W "cheater" heads like that. Check the rear side of those water outlets to see if there is anything stamped there.

08-30-2018, 10:34 AM	#15
redmodelt Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Portland OR Posts: 6,340	Re: Unusual cylinder heads Re: patented suggestion No, not without a name or pat. number. They would need a name or number as place to start. https://www.google.com/advanced_patent_search You could try this; http://patft.uspto.gov/netahtml/PTO/search-adv.htm __________________ I know the voices aren't real but damn they have some good ideas!

08-30-2018, 01:48 PM	#17
Flathead Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Southern Maine Posts: 1,497	Re: Unusual cylinder heads Interesting head design but I don't see any benefit. The groove kind of misses the transfer area.

08-30-2018, 02:33 PM	#18
Ol' Ron Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Chester Vt Posts: 8,857	Re: Unusual cylinder heads Back a number of years ago I was testing several combustion chamber shapes for best flow. In the stock heads the 8BA and EAB are very good. However in a effort to increas compression the angle of the transfer area is important. For street I used an 8 degree angle when I was re chambering heads. and a 12 degree angle was best for flow. But the castings were not thick enough for this. The best chamber was a wedge chamber similar to the chevy 409 engine woth a 7 deg piston angle and an 8 Deg head angle. Tried to have Egge make a set of pistons, but they were to expensive. HOwever in 02 on a trip to Bville with JWL the pistons in that engine were of the wedge type. I don't believe any of this would have much an affect on a street engine. Be interesting if someone could take this info and test it. Maybe Tod sould cast up a set of heads as well.

08-30-2018, 02:46 PM	#19
petehoovie Senior Member Join Date: May 2015 Posts: 8,076	Re: Unusual cylinder heads Maybe the 'groove' in those heads are to accommodate some sort of wedge or baffled pistons.... __________________ The only thing nice about being imperfect is the joy it brings to others.... *"Silver rings, your butt! Them's washers!"* "We shot our way out of that town for a dollar's worth of steel holes!" - from 'The Wild Bunch' - 1969 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7NReUd2_0u0

08-30-2018, 05:07 PM	#20
mercman from oz Senior Member Join Date: May 2012 Location: Queensland, Australia Posts: 10,361	Re: Unusual cylinder heads Here is a picture of a pair of 21 stud Ford Heads. I believe that the one in the front showing the firing order is from a British Ford Pilot. The Ford Pilot V8's were sold from 1949 to 1951, or there abouts, and were a popular import to Australia. Can anyone confirm that this Head is off a Ford Pilot?