The Ford Barn

66miles · 01-09-2014, 05:18 PM

Thanks yet again to Tony, Bob, n Ted. Seems there's such a wealth of info out there that a guy could get real confused of he didn't think hard on it. I'm leaning more and more now toward a F100 upgrade on the front. Also very interesting to hear about the lining material FlatheadTed. Since you are located not too far away, I might stop in for a chat sometime soon. If I can come up with a setup that stops the old gal without need for a booster, I would be real happy! Again, many thanks to you all.

Graeme / New Zealand · 01-10-2014, 01:32 AM

My Last v8 (47) had a VH44 booster fitted. I don't reckon it worked very well as my current unboosted 48 stops better, so I think there was something wrong with it. VH 44 is an inline unit and is common retrofit booster used here. There are images if you care to google.

GB

66miles · 01-10-2014, 02:05 AM

Just finished adjusting the cams. A lot of the pedal slop has gone out of it now and brakes are working better. Gonna take her out tomorrow for a test drive. We got a few nice quiet country back-roads round here so shouldn't get into too much trouble ( Famous Last Words ). Had the drums off earlier and notice that the linings look brand new. FlatheadTed mentioned that a lot of old cars that have had linings installed in recent years may have too hard a lining material for their unboosted brakes, and that a softer material gives better braking power. Anyone else heard of this, and how would a guy tell the difference?

kiwitony · 01-10-2014, 02:34 AM

Many years ago I was given a box of linings from an old garage that was shutting down.These were soft linings and as Ted said they worked great.The trouble with them was rapid wear,in those days my 37 was a daily driver and I went trough them fairly quickly.Once I had used up my supply I then had to use available bonded linings which were hard and braking performance dropped. My remote booster has bought that back, and I havn't replace linings in years. Cheers Tony.

dumb person · 01-10-2014, 04:18 AM

Hillman hunter, was that a VH40? i was looking for a VH36 or something & was told they were $80 new, the person at the parts store he went to mixed up the price & it was $80 for a rebuild/gasket kit & $800-$1,200 or something for a new one. Check at repco or something. You might be lucky and get a bargain.

jon laing · 01-10-2014, 09:19 AM

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These brake boosters sound interesting. Anybody make a good one to fot a 1939 ford sedan? Jon Laing

jon laing · 01-10-2014, 09:23 AM

These brake boosters sound interesting. Anybody make a good one to fit a 1939 ford sedan? Jon Laing

FlatheadTed · 01-10-2014, 01:07 PM

The problem is that a lot of linings are not marked these days ,we have identified the best ones to use though ,The brake boosters such as Tony's w44 booster can be retrofitted to a 39 or any un boosted car because it fits in the line after the M/C so can be hidden in the chassis rail .When we did dirt track we boosted our drum braked escort this way and could leave our braking very late for the corners ,most people had poor brakes and bunched up on the corners we had very good ones and could stay on the power longer . Mr 66miles call in on me any time .Ted 0211193090 .

Kahuna · 01-10-2014, 01:12 PM

Where can one find these boosters?

What amount of vacuum do they require?

Thanks
Jim

dumb person · 01-10-2014, 01:49 PM

What is this W44 & do they really exist?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kahuna

Where can one find these boosters?

What amount of vacuum do they require?

Thanks
Jim

A small hole drilled in the intake manifold provides enough vacuum (8-10 mm hole?) Does this link help? https://www.powerbrakes.com.au/shop/...h&keyword=VH40 Looks like they are selling well repaired antiques.

66miles · 01-10-2014, 04:03 PM

Looks like I opened a whole can a worms with this brake thing. Must've been a few guys have had some close calls with the late model car in front. Very interesting to follow this thread. Thanks FlatheadTed , I will catch up with you soon!

flatheadfan · 01-11-2014, 06:55 AM

Seems like this was somewhat covered before. At any rate,

try this...https://www.fordbarn.com/forum/showthread.php?t=127643

As for vacuum, use a Southwind heater vacuum plate. They pop-up on Ebay frequently for about $10.

Tom

01-09-2014, 05:18 PM	#21
66miles Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2013 Location: Wellsford - NZ 0900 Posts: 214	Re: New retrofit brake booster kits for cars Thanks yet again to Tony, Bob, n Ted. Seems there's such a wealth of info out there that a guy could get real confused of he didn't think hard on it. I'm leaning more and more now toward a F100 upgrade on the front. Also very interesting to hear about the lining material FlatheadTed. Since you are located not too far away, I might stop in for a chat sometime soon. If I can come up with a setup that stops the old gal without need for a booster, I would be real happy! Again, many thanks to you all.

01-10-2014, 01:32 AM	#22
Graeme / New Zealand Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Lower Hutt , New Zealand Posts: 2,126	Re: New retrofit brake booster kits for cars My Last v8 (47) had a VH44 booster fitted. I don't reckon it worked very well as my current unboosted 48 stops better, so I think there was something wrong with it. VH 44 is an inline unit and is common retrofit booster used here. There are images if you care to google. GB __________________ "you can't make honey out of dog sht" "You're a long time looking at the lid" Last edited by Graeme / New Zealand; 01-10-2014 at 08:15 PM.*

01-10-2014, 02:05 AM	#23
66miles Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2013 Location: Wellsford - NZ 0900 Posts: 214	Re: New retrofit brake booster kits for cars Just finished adjusting the cams. A lot of the pedal slop has gone out of it now and brakes are working better. Gonna take her out tomorrow for a test drive. We got a few nice quiet country back-roads round here so shouldn't get into too much trouble ( Famous Last Words ). Had the drums off earlier and notice that the linings look brand new. FlatheadTed mentioned that a lot of old cars that have had linings installed in recent years may have too hard a lining material for their unboosted brakes, and that a softer material gives better braking power. Anyone else heard of this, and how would a guy tell the difference?

01-10-2014, 02:34 AM	#24
kiwitony Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Whangaparaoa New Zealand Posts: 263	Re: New retrofit brake booster kits for cars Many years ago I was given a box of linings from an old garage that was shutting down.These were soft linings and as Ted said they worked great.The trouble with them was rapid wear,in those days my 37 was a daily driver and I went trough them fairly quickly.Once I had used up my supply I then had to use available bonded linings which were hard and braking performance dropped. My remote booster has bought that back, and I havn't replace linings in years. Cheers Tony.

01-10-2014, 04:18 AM	#25
dumb person Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: South pacific island Posts: 1,724	Re: New retrofit brake booster kits for cars Hillman hunter, was that a VH40? i was looking for a VH36 or something & was told they were $80 new, the person at the parts store he went to mixed up the price & it was $80 for a rebuild/gasket kit & $800-$1,200 or something for a new one. Check at repco or something. You might be lucky and get a bargain. __________________ <Link> This is how we roll<Link> "I'm Convinced that no one really reads posts anymore; they just fabricate what they think the post says then ramble on about red herrings."--Bob Outcasts rules of old cars #1 Fun is imperative, mainstream is overrated #2 If they think it is impossible, prove them wrong #3 If the science says it impossible you are not being creative enough. #4 No shame in recreating something you never had #5 If it were not for the law & physics you would be unstoppable

01-10-2014, 09:19 AM	#26
jon laing Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2013 Location: DRUMMOND iSLAND, Mi. Posts: 247	Re: New retrofit brake booster kits for cars Sponsored Links (Register now to hide all advertisements) These brake boosters sound interesting. Anybody make a good one to fot a 1939 ford sedan? Jon Laing

01-10-2014, 09:23 AM	#27
jon laing Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2013 Location: DRUMMOND iSLAND, Mi. Posts: 247	Re: New retrofit brake booster kits for cars These brake boosters sound interesting. Anybody make a good one to fit a 1939 ford sedan? Jon Laing

01-10-2014, 01:07 PM	#28
FlatheadTed Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Auckland Posts: 4,705	Re: New retrofit brake booster kits for cars The problem is that a lot of linings are not marked these days ,we have identified the best ones to use though ,The brake boosters such as Tony's w44 booster can be retrofitted to a 39 or any un boosted car because it fits in the line after the M/C so can be hidden in the chassis rail .When we did dirt track we boosted our drum braked escort this way and could leave our braking very late for the corners ,most people had poor brakes and bunched up on the corners we had very good ones and could stay on the power longer . Mr 66miles call in on me any time .Ted 0211193090 . __________________ http://www.flatheadted.com Flathead Ted brake Floaters ,

01-10-2014, 01:12 PM	#29
Kahuna Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: NorCal Posts: 2,617	Re: New retrofit brake booster kits for cars Where can one find these boosters? What amount of vacuum do they require? Thanks Jim

01-10-2014, 04:03 PM	#31
66miles Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2013 Location: Wellsford - NZ 0900 Posts: 214	Re: New retrofit brake booster kits for cars Looks like I opened a whole can a worms with this brake thing. Must've been a few guys have had some close calls with the late model car in front. Very interesting to follow this thread. Thanks FlatheadTed , I will catch up with you soon!

01-11-2014, 06:55 AM	#32
flatheadfan Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: West Michigan Posts: 1,218	Re: New retrofit brake booster kits for cars Seems like this was somewhat covered before. At any rate, try this...https://www.fordbarn.com/forum/showthread.php?t=127643 As for vacuum, use a Southwind heater vacuum plate. They pop-up on Ebay frequently for about $10. Tom