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Old 01-16-2019, 02:59 PM   #1
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Just getting around to changing the oil in by 8BA after last season. Tried to start to heat oil up before oil change but battery low so turned fairly slow & wouldn't start. Tried priming and choking for a while & figured i had it flooded so let it go for a couple of days & charged the battery. Second try 3 days later fired right up let it get to 150 shut down and drained oil. Noticed it was like dark brown gravy. didn't smell antifreeze but did smell like over rich exhaust. Made me recall the exhaust smelled pretty rich even after running a bit. Can gas in the crank case cause the oil to get dark brown and a bit creamy or just water? I've had a few blown head gaskets in my history but always was a lighter color creamy brown like chicken gravy or lighter. Thjoughts?
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Old 01-16-2019, 03:04 PM   #2
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Sounds normal to me
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Old 01-16-2019, 03:35 PM   #3
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Maybe. I did run it a lot more this season. Normally change at the end of each season as I don't run a filter. I've done 5 or 6 changes since build & just thought it looked different. Usually black and thinner consistency. Guess I'll go ahead with the change and check again after running a bit just to make sure.
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Old 01-16-2019, 06:57 PM   #4
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Probably haven't run it enough.. Makes sure its at operating temp when you dump it.. Then wait for it to cool down a little and jamb your finger up in there and have a good feel around, see how much sludge you got ..or metal if things aren't what they should be
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Old 01-16-2019, 07:10 PM   #5
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No filter means you need to change more often.
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Old 01-17-2019, 04:20 AM   #6
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My experience has been water in the oil.
Head leak or worse crack somewhere
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Short trips when engine don´t get up to full working temp for an extended period can give you condensation with sludge as result...so before fearing the worst change oil and take it for a long nice drive.
I see this alot on modern cars to that just drives 10min to the mall and back.
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Old 01-17-2019, 08:12 AM   #8
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The water temp does not equate to the oil temp. You really need to drive it for about 20 minutes to get it up to temp.
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Old 01-17-2019, 08:28 AM   #9
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Frank Miller X2

I'm guilty also. I've had carb gasket issues (shrinkage) until I start them once a week for about 10 minutes and then the following week the 20 minute drive.

The Ford with the 4GC isn't too bad but the 69 Camaro with the Demon (Holly clone) is really susceptible to gasket shrinkage.
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Anthony, I don't remember, are you running thermostates? Any engine needs to get up to a high enough temperature to remove the condensation out of the oil. A lot of starting the engine up and running it for a short time so it doesn't get up to a high enough oil temperature can result in a build up of condensation in the oil.
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Old 01-17-2019, 12:13 PM   #11
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Thx, even though I been working vehicles 4 yrs not so much on Flatty’s. Only have the one & hasn’t needed much since installing in my ‘35. Always good to hear from experience @ FB! Let oil drain with plugs out for a few days to air out. Probably change tomorrow along w aluminum powder sealer Kube suggested in another thread for sealing up minor internal coolant leaks. Then weather permitting take a long drive! Checking oil along the way.
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Old 01-17-2019, 01:00 PM   #12
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Any recommendations on which to use aluminum powder base, copper powder base or Barr’s has a new carbon fiber base internal coolant sealant?
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Old 01-17-2019, 01:08 PM   #13
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Run a good synthetic oil like Shell Rotella or High Mileage Mobil I. Change as often as you need to keep the oil clean. You should be able to read the dip stick through the oil. Get the dirty oil analyzed.
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Old 01-17-2019, 06:19 PM   #14
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I wouldn't put the block sealer in until you know you have an issue . . . no reason to fix a problem you may not have.
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Old 01-17-2019, 07:23 PM   #15
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Yeah. GM used to add an old bar stopleak tablet or two to each one of their brandy new vehicle coolant systems as a preventative measure. And looked what happened to GM. 8^) Jack E/NJ
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JS, I don’t use Stats in warm weather & usually run it minimally in winter. I realize they like to run a bit hot but always had a problem in warm weather keeping it from under 210 degrees w Stat’s. Engine has been prone to this since new. Read started many threads & assumed after nothing worked except no Stats that block had internal semi blockage issues. Many flushes and many products later I gave up & no stats worked in warm weather so stayed with. Your right in thinking it doesn’t reach temp in the winter so starting & running for 30 mins every couple weeks could have caused the condensation issue.
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Probably should put stats if running at all in cold weather.
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Old 01-18-2019, 10:51 AM   #18
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Water is the cause, either it's not getting hot enough, or you have a leak, gasket, crack. Et. Try a pressure test. Should help you evaluate the condition of your cooling system. Easy to do, won't hurt anything.
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JS, I don’t use Stats in warm weather & usually run it minimally in winter. I realize they like to run a bit hot but always had a problem in warm weather keeping it from under 210 degrees w Stat’s. Engine has been prone to this since new. Read started many threads & assumed after nothing worked except no Stats that block had internal semi blockage issues. Many flushes and many products later I gave up & no stats worked in warm weather so stayed with. Your right in thinking it doesn’t reach temp in the winter so starting & running for 30 mins every couple weeks could have caused the condensation issue.
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There is your problem. Running the engine like that is one of the worst things you can do to an engine. The oil never gets warm enough to cook the moisture out. Most of the wear to any engine is during initial startup and running. Thermostats are needed to warm the engine faster to negate the wear. Quit doing that and you will be just fine. Your engine will thank you.
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Old 01-18-2019, 03:37 PM   #20
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What's the pn# of the Subaru thermostats I see people using.
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They have been posted several times recently.
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JS do u have one u think is best?
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I use Stant 45358 thermostats - 180 deg
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Not really.
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Sounds like anti-freeze in oil to me, seen it before. Al
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Thx flatjack9, Amazons amazing, can't believe how much stuff u can get. Seems like almost anything, got 2 of the Stant 45358 thermostats - 180 deg for under $14 delivered.
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Thx JS too
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Short trips when engine don´t get up to full working temp for an extended period can give you condensation with sludge as result...so before fearing the worst change oil and take it for a long nice drive.
I see this alot on modern cars to that just drives 10min to the mall and back.
The 8BA road draft tube crankcase ventilation system was a big improvement over older flatheads, but was still ineffective at low speeds and worthless sitting in the driveway "warming up"!
You need a good run at 50-60 MPH (or more) to get airflow past the end of the tube to pull crankcase fumes out while drawing fresh air in through the breather cap on the intake manifold. That's why it was called a "road draft tube"; you needed to go fast enough to get a "draft" going at the end of the tube.
This is just one reason a PCV system is so much better. It ventilates the crankcase even idling in the driveway!
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Seems weird that we are talking about Subaru temps (granted it was current discussion lately)..... when it seems like you have choco oil.


Change the oil, see how fast you have coolant in the oil... It'd take a long time for condensation to make your oil into Chocolate milk.


Gas will just thin the oil. Not change the color.





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If you get the oil figured out and still want to add stuff to the radiator I always had good luck using "Alumaseal". You can get it on Amazon, but a lot cheaper at Wal Mart. Chap

https://www.walmart.com/ip/ALUMASEAL...54de9732f23fe4
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Thx JS too
The numbers I posted are NOT correct for a 8ba engine! Those are 59a numbers.
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JS Do u know the correct ones 4 the 8ba?
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Checked Stant listings 13358 or 45358 both fit 8BA so I’ll have a couple as back ups.
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Yep, the 8ba is easier to ID as they had modern style thermostats from the get-go. Sorry about the 59a post, had a computer HD failure and wasn't paying attention!
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Question: I'm Getting ready to change oil, run aluminum powder into cooling syst., & install stats., will the aluminum powder fowl the stats?
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Oil changed, put stats in, put aluminum powder product in. Ran per instructions on aluminum powder sealer. Cooling over nite. Will test drive take long ride tomorrow and see if cured.
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Took a 1.5 hour drive today, kept the temp at 175 to 190, no sign of white smoke or bubbling in radiator. checked oil a few times stayed a nice light brown clear honey color. Problem seems solved but will check oil frequently.
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