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12-04-2014, 12:23 PM | #1 |
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Oil pan 59AB photos
Hello all,
I have been drawing in 3d Ford Flathead 59AB engine. I need some help please, I'm trying to draw the front of the oil pan without much success, if anyone has the oil pan of the engine 59AB or earlier, which could take some close up pictures of the areas marked in and outside if is possible, would be great. I've been trying to find the oil pan on the Google but I can not find this model. Thank you so much. All the best, Jorge |
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awesome work, does that pan have a breather in front? Never seen the slot in the back of one before.
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So, can you print up a new flathead on a 3D printing machine?! Those are excellent drawings!
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Incredibly excellent work! All the hours you've put in all the details to determine dimensions. Are you using Inventor, Solidworks or similar? Makes my drawings in AutoCad.
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What modeling package are you using?
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Great work on those drawings! If you do any of the early v-8 blocks from '32 to '53, please post them. I would love to download them for my files.
I have a couple pictures of a 59ab oil pan in a multi part for sale ad here in the v8 swap section. You could download those from the ad and enlarge them for small details. I have never seen an oil pan guite like the one in your picture. What was that oil pan removed from? Many features are differentthan than any of our (USA) oil pans from '32 to '48. This is the only picture of a 59ab oil that I have right now in my tablet files. I am sure I could add some later from my computer files.
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Here is a NOS pan:
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And 2 more:
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AND the inside views :
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That's a picture of the pan on the motor in my Drop Tank. I cut the slot for access to the convertor bolts. Stop by again and I'll show you. Wayno
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Hello all,
I wanted to thank you all for your comments and photos from the oil pan. The photos were what I'd need, thank you so much to Gary in La. and JM 35 Sedan. I have lots more photos of the parts already made. Thank you so much. All the best, Jorge Last edited by Flysafe; 12-05-2014 at 08:26 AM. |
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I got this shot in another forum through Wayno, it took me a photo. Sorry for I can not answer your questions.
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Hello,
I'm drawing the block I'm working on exhaust exits I have a small doubt, I'm facing to block, I see the pulleys, which side is the left and the right? Thank you so much. Jorge |
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If I understand your question correctly, here in this country, we Americans consider the LEFT side of engine to be the same side the steering wheel is on.....the driver's side, or the LEFT side. DD
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In USA mechanics' or parts book speech, left is always the part on USA driver's side no matter where the observer is standing...thus, the left pump is the one on driver's side even though it is on your right when standing at the motor.
This convention allows manuals and people to say "adjust the left breaker set" and always go the correct one! British usage is "off side" and "near side", and I can never remember what they mean... Pans from '35-48 are essentially interchangeable, but one from an actual 59A will have the large drain plug as in post 11 and a small threaded hole on the casting that holds the dip stick tube for return pipe from filter...this would be plugged on engines without filter. Earlier pans will have return hole in separate boss forward on pan, earlier still no return provision there at all. I doubt that Elmo has ever left anything stock!! |
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Left and right are universally applied and relate to the driver's left and right when sitting in the vehicle facing forward.
I was restoring a Morris Minor and wanted a new "hockey stick", the curved trim piece that fits each side of the grille. A local MM specialist had a complete grille and front end on the wall as a display and I pointed to the grille and said I wanted a right hand hockey stick (meaning the one on the right side of the grille). The assistant had great pleasure telling me that was a LEFT hockey stick. He was right, and it was a lesson learnt for me. In the UK we drive on the left and the steering wheel is on the right. Locally we refer to the left or kerb side as "Nearside" and the right as "Offside" usually abbreviated to OS or NS. This is normally encountered when the car goes for the MOT* test and the tester advises you the "NS bottom ball joint" has excessive play. Damn! *MOT Ministry of Transport. Although the Ministry no longer exists, the annual roadworthyness test is still called the MOT test. Interestingly, pre 1960 vehicles are now exempt from the test, which is nice. Sorry for the rambling. Mart. |
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Thank you all for the information
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This is not an easy thing to do.
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Your up to it, I know.
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Very nice work Jorge. It would cool if you could progress this block drawing into the different types of Flathead engines... early 21 stud, 59ab, and 8ba.
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12-24-2014, 05:05 PM | #29 |
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Hello all,
I'd like to ask a favor anyone have any photo of the engine block of the part marked in the picture with the circles in red? Thank you so much. All the best, Jorge |
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Try the photobucket album that I used to start the engine block thread: http://smg.photobucket.com/user/Fred...?sort=9&page=1
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A close up would be great if it possible.
Thank you 38 coupe, some of the photos that you have in your photobucket, I have too. All the best, Jorge |
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Hi Everyone, Jorge thank you very much for sharing the results of your hard work, it is just beautiful, amazing and so very educational.
One tip I like to give out is to think in relationship to the flywheel when you work on left/right relationships. If you're facing the flywheel then left and right are logical. (If you're facing the timing gear, put your arms out like you're sleepwalking, then cross your arms in front of you and you have L/R figured out again except it's backwards.) This would work the same for the Near Side/Off Side crowd. Jorge it sounds as if you're collecting photos. None of these are what you've asked for here, and may not even be the engine you're working on, but here are a bunch of cut-away engine shots I took at Don Garlits' Museum of Drag Racing in Ocala Florida. I was there with my Dad and JM and many others for a 'Barners Bash' a few years ago. The engine is identified as a 1934 Ford but some of the info on the sign is possibly not true. http://s291.photobucket.com/user/Ver...?sort=3&page=1 Again, thanks for sharing, and good luck with your efforts, they're amazing!
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Hello VeryTangled thank your for your comments and photos.
It is not what I was looking for I don't need the interior structural or interior of the block, I need a few photos external if possible close up, of the marked areas in my drawings to understand how bend the curves. Thank you so much to all. |
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Hello all,
Anyone can give me the dimension of the intake port flow? |
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Hello all,
One photo of what I've been working, 2d for now, while I do not have all the lines can not leave for the 3D model. |
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What a mess of lines
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Hello all,
This section is completed Thank you. All the best, Jorge |
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Hello Jorge, I do not know if you follow this thread,
https://www.fordbarn.com/forum/showthread.php?t=158402 Come to think of you, when I read this thread. So I'm curious how you will do? .... Jorgen |
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Thank you Jorgen, I did not know this I will follow.
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Hi Everyone, Jorge, I'm still watching. Thank you for sharing your hard work with us!
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Hello all,
Some progress in the drawing, left side block, the lines of the back is not done yet. Now they are aligned. All the best, Jorge |
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I need some help, which side have the bigger angle in the valves?
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Are you looking for the angles? 52.09 on the left and 49.36 on the right.
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See if any of this helps. This piston is from a 1948 59a engine, it is domed top, 3.188 +.040 (original 3.188 bored std .040 over).
From top edge of piston to bottom of longest part of skirt: 2.960 From top edge of piston to bottom of shortest part of skirt: 2.700 (not including notch) Width of longest part of skirt: ~1.250 Width of shortest part of skirt: ~1.250 It is curved between these sections. From top edge of piston to top of dome: ~.250 Starting a top edge of piston working down to shortest part of skirt (not including notch). Top edge to top piston ring: .250 Top piston ring grove: .096 Top piston ring to second piston ring: .156 Second piston ring grove: .096 Second piston ring to third piston ring: .100 Third piston ring grove: .188 Third piston ring to top of piston pin: .268 Piston pin: .750 Bottom of piston pin to bottom piston ring: .170 Bottom piston ring grove: .183 Bottom piston ring to bottom of skirt: .440 (not including notch) From Top edge of piston to center of piston pin: ~1.530 From center of piston pin to bottom of skirt: ~1.170 Piston Pin diameter: .750 These are measurements straight from a piston using calipers and include measuring errors I am sure! Last edited by JSeery; 02-04-2015 at 10:01 PM. |
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For some reason the photos didn't load the first time.
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Thank you so much JSeery.
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Earlier I do this type of piston, can be used in this engine model?
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There are 3 ring and 4 ring pistons. I believe the original design from Ford was the 4 ring and the 3 ring was a more modern replacement. Not sure it would make any difference for what you are doing, a lot of the current rebuilds use the 3 ring style.
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Thanks.
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Some of the lines after extruder. |
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Some progress in the design.
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Exhaust channels done, and e few holes. Start the front end of the block. Last edited by Flysafe; 03-30-2015 at 11:53 AM. |
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Hello all,
The 59 AB block have the yellow line that I made? The block 8 BA have this fill. Thank you so much. |
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Hello all,
I 'm working in the front end of the block, I will need some help, someone have any photos where I can see the front end of the block 59 AB without the water pumps and the distributor cover? I already made a google search but not find anything. Thank you so much for the help. All the best, Jorge |
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I can add some in about an hour.
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I'm easily distracted! But here are 4 shots of 59a block. This is a 48 block (as far as I know) out of a Truck.
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Thank you so much for the photos JSeery, have the same lines and holes, that I have been drawing.
If is possible yet, can you take a close-up of the areas that I marked? Thank you very much. All the best, Jorge |
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See if this is what you are looking for. PM me your email address and I will email back the original higher res photos (around 4Mb)
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Thank you JSeery.
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What are the components that are not correct?
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59a and 8ba cams rotate in opposite directions, so the teeth on the gears would be in the opposite direction. The crank gear and the cam gear are matched sets.
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So it is only the diretion of the teeth gears correct, I need flip over the both gears teeth?
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Thank you so much Ronnie by the notice and the photos too.
As I don't know of any existing engine near me not always it is clear, my support it is photos that I found in my searches or some help from the members of the forum. Now i believe that is correct, the left that i have, the right it is the new one. The engine that I have been designed it is the 59AB. Thank you all for the help All the best, Jorge |
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Sorry about that, not totally awake on that one!!!!! The thrust of the cam is reversed, not the cam rotation. The 59a thrust the cam toward the engine and the 8ba thrust the cam toward to cover because of the cut of the gears. Some days are better than other!
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Great work that model is really neat! Would you share a .step file of the 59AB intake manifold?
I would love to 3D print one for my desk! Jesse |
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