Window Channel Installation

[ctfortner]

Need some help on 56 ford sedan window channel.

I am installing universal stuff, rubber, unbeaded. Plan to just 3m weatherstrip it in.

Here is what I am working with



Can someone tell me:

56 Sedan

Front door

where does the channel attach (or does it) down inside the door. I see a bracket with a screw in it, does the channel screw in there? Below are a couple of pics looking down inside the door





Quarter windows

I dont know how far down the channel should go inside the car on each side of the quarter window. I also dont know if it should be attached somewhere. I can see where the factory clip holes are, but there are no clip holes once your down inside the car. So I dont know if I should just attach the new channel where the the clip holes are and let the rest hang free, or what?

So I guess the question is, when you install new stuff, do you just bend and clip it in and call it a day, or is there some form of attaching it inside the door and qtr area, even when using the stuff that has clips installed?

Here are a couple of pics inside the quarter window area.

Rear of quarter window



door side of quarter window

[Y-Blockhead]

Originally Posted by ctfortner

Need some help on 56 ford sedan window channel.
Front door

where does the channel attach (or does it) down inside the door. I see a bracket with a screw in it, does the channel screw in there? Below are a couple of pics looking down inside the door

There is a piece that attaches to the channel and "hooks" onto the bracket just below the latch. That same piece extends down where it has a slot for the bolt in your picture at the very bottom. Do you have your old channel? The piece you need should be attached to it.

I'll try to get you a picture of mine in the morning, I just happen to have my drivers side door panel off. I'll have to take the picture from the bottom, if I can because my window is in.

I can't help you with the rears, I have a wagon.

[Y-Blockhead]

OK here is a picture looking up from the bottom of the door (Opposite the way your picture is pointed). Hope you can make out how it is mounted, barely enough room for the camera.

[Y-Blockhead]

Here's the piece you need...

[ctfortner]

THANKS for the info and pics y-blockhead! Man I knew there had to be a piece missing. I dont have those pieces. I let a body shop have the car to paint and I decided to put in new glass then to. So they removed all that and put the new channel in (screwed it up big time) so now I am re doing it myself with new stuff. I cant say those pieces were on the car when I sent it to them, but they sure arent with my car now. Guess I will be hitting ebay! Thanks again, very helpful and I see how it works now.

[frank long island]

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I used small screws to hold mine to the top of the door frame you need the lower window channel I think they are available aftermarket

[Y-Blockhead]

Originally Posted by ctfortner

Guess I will be hitting ebay!

There is ONE on ebay right now. It's listed for the left side but I believe they are symmetrical. A little on the expensive side IMO. But then again if you need it...
http://www.ebay.com/itm/140972471854...%3AMEBIDX%3AIT


I don't recall ever seeing them reproduced.

By the way the above listing is not mine and I have no interest other than passing it along.

[ctfortner]

Thanks Frank. I was looking this morning on there and didnt find any, but was looking under 56. I bet the 55 is the same. Do you know about the quarter windows? Is there a piece or pieces for that as well? I know a couple other guys on ebay that part 55-56 fords and have bought from them so I am going to email them also.

[frank long island]

my guess is yes the glass would need to ride in something

[ctfortner]

Looks like on the door side of the quarter channel it just screws in. There is a lone screw sitting there in mine. On the trunk side of the channel I see there is a piece or bracket of some kind that is attached to the channel. Looks like a specialty bolt and nut of sorts that goes through the hole on the inside (I always wondered what that hole was for) to allow for attaching and adjusting it. I dont have any of that stuff.

[s55mercury66]

The business coupe versions had fixed rear windows. I know where one of those is if you would like pictures, but I'm at work for another week or so. I think he has a couple 2-door sedans there too.

[frank long island]

on your question of the rear window you have a break down in your album might give you some answers where are you located

[ctfortner]

s55 thanks for the offer. I have a couple of others checking, if I dont find out by then I will holler at you.

frank, I am in west TN. I just uploaded the pic to my album today after I found it in the book. did you see my post from earlier today (2 up)?

[frank long island]

that's what I saw didn't see that you posted it

[ctfortner]

I am emailing some ebayers that sell 50's ford parts to see if they have the qtr window stuff I dont have.

[kari 613]

JC. Whitney sells the window channel parts. I don't think that they are printing a pass. car catalog at this time but you can go to there online site. I bought some window fuzzys a while back and they were great.

[ctfortner]

Originally Posted by kari 613

JC. Whitney sells the window channel parts. I don't think that they are printing a pass. car catalog at this time but you can go to there online site. I bought some window fuzzys a while back and they were great.

Thanks. I have the glass runs, but I do need the fuzzy strips that go on each side of the glass. What I am mainly searching for now is the car parts that I dont have, and are not re-produced, that hold the runs in place correctly.

[ctfortner]

Found a donor for the parts I need, should get them ordered today. There are 2 brackets that go on the quarter windows (2 per side) as well. They are the 2 shortest brackets in the pics. Decided to get the lift channels from him also since mine are banged up and 3 of 4 are not straight. All starting to make sense when you have all the parts

[frank long island]

good luck with your project take your time and it will all come together

[rick55]

You still need the filler piece for the back of the quarter window run which supports the bailiey channel where It bends and joins up to the back vertical run. It is clipped onto the bailey channel. It is a flattened out v shaped channel and fills the sharp bend in the glass run. Maybe the bloke selling the bits you are buying still has them.

[ctfortner]

That is interesting Rick, he didnt mention it and I cant find a reference to it in the illustration book. Wouldnt have a picture of it would you? I just emailed him to ask about it.

All these dang parts got so many names (cat whiskers, fuzzies, etc) hard to keep up. In your post you mentioned bailey channel as well as glass run. I was curious if you are referring to the same thing (just 2 different names for it), so I understand and am not more confused . This is what I am calling the glass run

[ctfortner]

Well, he already responded back and said his book didnt show any other parts for this either. I dunno.. I guess I will be going without it, wouldnt know where else to find it.

Originally Posted by rick55

You still need the filler piece for the back of the quarter window run which supports the bailiey channel where It bends and joins up to the back vertical run. It is clipped onto the bailey channel. It is a flattened out v shaped channel and fills the sharp bend in the glass run. Maybe the bloke selling the bits you are buying still has them.

[frank long island]

that is what goes in the glass run channel to guide the glass the fuzzies are the wipers on the outer body panel and the inner trim panel

[ctfortner]

Ok Rick, now I know what your talking about. A member of the 52-59 ford group (thanks fordsbyjay) took a picture for me. I emailed that to the parts guy to see if he has it. to many durn pieces! That is 3 parts just for holding in 1 quarter window run.

quarter window glass run corner piece.jpg

[rick55]

It actually helps to form and properly locate the channel. It is an absolute "B" to get everything lined up. I located that strip on the body filled it full of glue and then pop riveted through it to hold the bailey channel. It actually gives the bailey some sideways strength where it would otherwise hang in the breeze where it folds at the belt line. You can't see it when it is all in.
You can make it out in the parts illustration manual as it shows a sharp bend where it is fitted on the bailey.
It would probably get tossed when the old bailey is put in the bin.

[ctfortner]

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Ok, I found a guy that has them, wants $50 shipped for them. So, not to questions Fords design here, but in your (and anyone elses) opinion, should I get them? It probably hasnt completely made sense to me since I havent seen it all installed before, but just looking at the car and the channel, it seems you could glue the channel in place and then when you put the interior trim piece for the window on, wouldnt it hold things in place? Or do you feel these 2 pieces are a must?

[rick55]

I personally think it is necessary, else why would Ford go to the trouble of fitting it. It acts also as a packer for the channel. When you see it installed you can see its function. Ford went to the expense of making and fitting these and if it wasn't necessary, they would have saved their money and increased profit.
$50 seems a bit expensive for what it is, but at least he has them and compared with what you have invested in the car so far, it is a drop in the ocean.

[rick55]

If I wasn't clear with the way I fitted all this up, I first glued the bailey channel to the front channel guide after bending the bailey channel allowing the adhesive time to set, secured the rear vertical guide in the inner panel using the the fixed stud and pop riveted the little packing strip into position. I then used a silicon adhesive and a good bead inside packer. I put the same adhesive in the rear support bracket before I fitted it.
I then put the bailey channel into position and pop riveted in place along the top and through the packing strip.
Putting the glass in straight away, helps the adhesive to set keeping the bailey channel where it needs to be. I left the window down to assist the bottom of the channel to set in the correct place.
My bailey channel was pre fitted with original style clips, but I removed all but the clips for the front vertical run. I found it too damned hard to get everything to line up. The steps I used does work and the pop rivets do not contact the glass at all due to the design of the bailey channel.
I had purchased my bailey channel from Ford Road Parts Store - not preformed.
Hope you can understand the way I did it.