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02-03-2019, 12:34 PM | #21 | |
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Re: First time engine start problem (non start)
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The first thing I did/do with a no-start condition is spray a shot of starting fluid in it. Especially on fuel injected cars where you can't see if a carb accelerator pump is squirting fuel. If it starts, it quickly rules out all problems but the fuel system. I don't see anyway a quick shot of starting fluid just to see if it will try to start start could hurt a thing. Now one time I did have a guy sit in the engine compartment and continually spray starting fluid into a 26,000 lb. F-800, with a 429 gas engine while at the phone company so we could drive it one-hundred-yard's to the shop. That worked pretty good. Was it good for the engine? I don't think it hurt a thing. As long as the engine is not pinging and knocking I don't see how you could hurt it. |
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02-03-2019, 12:49 PM | #22 | |
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Even if your coil does take an external resistor the ignition by-pass wire should be on the coil side of the resistor. You have two wires going to the ignition switch side of the resistor. If one of those wires is intended to be a 12V resistor by-pass wire it should be on the coil side of the resistor. You can check the timing with a timing light while cranking the engine with the key on. I've seen ignition modules and pickups fail. Sometimes they will still make a spark but they will not do it at the correct time. I use a timing light while cranking an engine to make sure the timing is close. Then I have a real little funnel that fits in the float bowl vent tube on the carbs. I fill the bowl or bowls up with fuel. I make sure the accelerator pump squirts a few shots of gas in there and start it right up. It "usually" immediately starts. I bring the idle up for the camshaft break-in procedure. No messing with cranking the engine a long time to fill up the carb, messing to get the timing set close enough to start. After the camshaft break-in then I do back and set everything where it needs to be. Last edited by Flathead Fever; 02-03-2019 at 12:55 PM. |
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02-03-2019, 03:07 PM | #23 |
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Re: First time engine start problem (non start)
I always fill the float bowls on the carburetors when they are empty (if there is a proper vent). I have one of those plastic dispensers they used to have ketchup in at diners back in fifties and sixties. I thought that maybe the gasoline would have an adverse effect on the plastic over time, but after about 6 years, this one is doing fine. It makes filling the bowls a one hand operation.
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02-03-2019, 03:15 PM | #24 |
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Re: First time engine start problem (non start)
Something I always do is pull all the spark plugs and crank the engine over a bit (will turn faster) - makes it easy to check the spark. Also, it helps to get some oil into the pump and to the bearings. Once I've done this a bit, I check and see that I have fuel in the carbs (accel pumps should shoot). I also check with a timing light that the timing is about right. Then, put the plugs back in, give the accel pumps a couple squirts and turn it over to start it. First thing you check is oil pressure (when running) - if that is good, keep the RPMs around 2000 and let the cam break in for a good 10 - 15 minutes. Shut it down, retorque the heads . . . check for leaks, etc..
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02-03-2019, 04:30 PM | #25 |
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Re: First time engine start problem (non start)
just a short side story. brother in laws niece has a ch#@y pickup with 250K miles. it would start (cold weather/at college) he mechanic pals put a little too much starter fluid in and blew off the valve covers and timing chain cover.
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02-03-2019, 05:06 PM | #26 |
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On starting fluid. A quick shot with the air cleaner still on will work fine and not hurt a thing. The ether will have no problem getting through the filter |
02-03-2019, 05:21 PM | #27 |
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Re: First time engine start problem (non start)
Remove the ballast resistor.
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02-03-2019, 06:06 PM | #28 |
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Re: First time engine start problem (non start)
Just as a sanity check - is there a part number on the coil? it's blue, all right, but is it the correct "Bosch blue coil"?
That aside, just pull the ballast and try again. Mart. |
02-03-2019, 06:21 PM | #29 |
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Was under the impression that all blue were correct blue. Never seen Bubba say different
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02-04-2019, 11:55 AM | #30 |
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Re: First time engine start problem (non start)
bosch blue coil is 00012 for a part number. they are an air cooled VW part. I believe normal 12v coils that require the resistor are 1.5ohm.
remove resistor, and try again. I too follow bored and stroked's process for first time fire ups. last year I did one, it had been probably 15 years since I fired a fresh motor. pulled plugs, checked rotor was pointed to #1 spark plug wire on install and spun it with a fresh battery until it got oil pressure on the gage and both carbs had full fuel and squirted well. then I double checked timing.... perfect...... put the plugs back in it and hit one choke and it lit off so fast I jumped! |
02-04-2019, 12:45 PM | #31 |
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Re: First time engine start problem (non start)
No resistor needed with the bosch blue coil ! Thats why they make a good choice in coils, no resitor is needed . Most quality coil I have ever used ..
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02-04-2019, 02:35 PM | #32 |
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Re: First time engine start problem (non start)
Removed ballast resistor. Put a little ether in and if fired. Have recognized the fact that the fuel system needs draining and cleaning. It is too cold in the shop and do not want to light a fire in the stove and drain the fuel system at the same time. Getting a shoulder joint replaced this Wednesday so I think I will be content to fire up the stove tomorrow and tidy up the shop. Then attack the project after recovery from surgery. Will keep everybody informed after that. Thanks so much
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02-04-2019, 02:44 PM | #33 |
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Glad you got it to at least fire.
Good luck with the surgery. Mart. |
02-04-2019, 03:39 PM | #34 | |
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Update: Talk about a day late and a dollar short!!! Some how I missed several post on my phone. Glad you got it going. Last edited by JSeery; 02-04-2019 at 09:05 PM. |
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02-04-2019, 07:07 PM | #35 | |
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Be well and best of luck, Dale |
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02-04-2019, 07:39 PM | #36 |
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That's a pretty long recovery. My son-in-law had it done a few months ago and is still recovering. Good luck!
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02-04-2019, 08:51 PM | #37 |
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glad it fired up for you. good luck and get well soon so you can play again
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02-04-2019, 09:36 PM | #38 |
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I have a new tank from Tanks Inc. In the manufacturing process to stamp those tanks into shape oil is applied to the metal surface. Guess who did not put two gallons of gas in the brand new tank and swish it around to rid it of oil. So when I am able after surgery guess who as to tear the carbs apart to clean out the goo. At least I know the problem
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02-04-2019, 09:42 PM | #39 |
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Thanks for following up. get well!
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02-05-2019, 12:18 PM | #40 | |
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Great news about getting her running! |
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