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V8COOPMAN · 06-26-2018, 08:36 AM

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Originally Posted by 34pickup

I may just buy a puller. I love tools. What do you think about this design they sell on ebay?

You've got a bunch of old geezers here with a hell of a lot of 'real world' experience when it comes to gettin' these drums off in one piece, UNDAMAGED, and fit to be re-used. This is one of the very few subjects (when it comes to old Fords) that has but ONE, definitive solution. That little thingie you see on eBay is a joke when it comes to a really-tight, properly-installed drum. Do yourself a huge favor....bite the bullet and get the real deal. DD

winfield tool works
1-631-928-3316
p.o.box 476
port jefferson n.y. 11777
hub puller

KGS · 06-26-2018, 08:49 AM

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Originally Posted by V8COOPMAN

You've got a bunch of old geezers here with a hell of a lot of 'real world' experience when it comes to gettin' these drums off in one piece, UNDAMAGED, and fit to be re-used. This is one of the very few subjects (when it comes to old Fords) that has but ONE, definitive solution. That little thingie you see on eBay is a joke when it comes to a really-tight, properly-installed drum. Do yourself a huge favor....bite the bullet and get the real deal. DD

winfield tool works
1-631-928-3316
p.o.box 476
port jefferson n.y. 11777
hub puller

What DD said times two!

JM 35 Sedan · 06-26-2018, 09:32 AM

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Originally Posted by 34pickup

I may just buy a puller. I love tools. What do you think about this design they sell on ebay?

Don't waste your money on that one. Find a Winfield or another name brand that's available now, that looks and works as well as the Winfield or the original KRW. If I can find the info on that one, I'll add it here later.

http://www.vintageprecision.com/prod...ers/index.html

34pickup · 06-26-2018, 10:03 AM

OK, thanks for the advice.

Karl Wolf · 06-26-2018, 10:11 PM

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Originally Posted by 34pickup

I may just buy a puller. I love tools. What do you think about this design they sell on ebay?

Buy the Winfield tool. Your Ebay one might work. The Winfield tool WILL work

.Karl

Tinker · 06-26-2018, 11:38 PM

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I've used a model A puller on a few 30s fords with no issue from snyder's. Flush up the axle nut on the axle to keep things from going mush also. I had it and it worked. Just a thought.

The one you posted looks like it'll work fine, if it clutches the slot in the drum and you keep the axle nut flush to the axle end. its all a proper krw tool does.

some more...

https://www.fordbarn.com/forum/showt...5686&showall=1

https://fordbarn.com/forum/showthrea...8518&showall=1

You wont ever never regret buying the right tool ever never. I also know you couldn't go wrong with mac vp's offer. super nice option. i'd seriously consider. You don't want to make this a 1k problem or more.

RalphM · 06-27-2018, 10:15 AM

All this talk about pullers made me decide to go ahead and purchase the best, ( I’ve had cheap ones fail) hub puller available.
I was disheartened to call the Winfield tool works phone number I found in one of my older V8 times magazines, only to find that they had shut down and are no longer making these fine tools.

grumppyoldman · 06-27-2018, 10:34 AM

After going through all the hell of removing the hubs, I bought the hubs and drums thst will come off seperately. Al

51woodie · 06-29-2018, 05:35 AM

Go to Vintage Precision Inc in Benicia CA. Their puller kit is excellent. I purchased one for my '46 and was happy to have it. The P/N is VP-FHP1, and the price (well worth it) is $125.00. It comes in a nice plastic case.

34pickup · 06-29-2018, 07:15 PM

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Originally Posted by grumppyoldman

After going through all the hell of removing the hubs, I bought the hubs and drums thst will come off seperately. Al

Woo hoo! Am I lucky. I just now got around to working on the back and low and behold, the drums come off separate from the hub. Talk about luck, I need to go buy a lottery ticket. Are these aftermarket or just a late change by the factory?

RalphM · 06-29-2018, 07:48 PM

I think someone’s been in there before, studs are swadged to drum, unless they have been changed and not reswaged

34pickup · 06-29-2018, 08:56 PM

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Originally Posted by RalphM

I think someone’s been in there before, studs are swadged to drum, unless they have been changed and not reswaged

Yes, someone has. the studs are flopping around. I will need to secure them to the hub before I put it all back together, can't have the studs falling back into the pit.

V8COOPMAN · 06-30-2018, 08:42 AM

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Originally Posted by 34pickup

Yes, someone has. the studs are flopping around. I will need to secure them to the hub before I put it all back together, can't have the studs falling back into the pit.

That's because the PROPER-sized studs (correct diameter) for a press-fit are difficult (if not impossible) to find without resorting to reaming the five original holes in the hubs to a compatible size that will accommodate an available stud of the correct diameter AND length. DD

RalphM · 06-30-2018, 09:42 AM

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Originally Posted by 51woodie

Go to Vintage Precision Inc in Benicia CA. Their puller kit is excellent. I purchased one for my '46 and was happy to have it. The P/N is VP-FHP1, and the price (well worth it) is $125.00. It comes in a nice plastic case.

Is this tool as good a quality as the Winfield tool?

JM 35 Sedan · 06-30-2018, 10:46 AM

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Originally Posted by RalphM

Is this tool as good a quality as the Winfield tool?

Yes

chopnchaneled · 10-25-2018, 02:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Tony, NY

It is possible to have removable drums without the hubs, if you want.

I know this is an old post, But wanted to bring it back up as would like to know
what is involved in doing this?
"Having the brake drum removed with out pulling the hub on the rear"?
TKS

john in illinois · 10-25-2018, 04:24 PM

Boling Bros- MT car makes hubs and detachable drums.

http://www.mtcarproducts.com/productsgrid.html

John

JM 35 Sedan · 10-25-2018, 09:38 PM

If you go with separate hub & drum assemblies, it does make servicing the brakes a lot easier, however, if/when you need to take the complete rear apart, you will still need a puller to remove the hub from the tapered axle, unless the axle nut has not been torqued to spec.

Tinker · 10-25-2018, 09:40 PM

Think rear hubs is 180 lbs? If they are loose you will do damage. Anything torqued that much and is 40+ yrs old is going to be hard to remove.

Puller really makes it easy.

.

grumppyoldman · 10-28-2018, 11:22 AM

Just a reminder, when putting the hub on the axle,make sure the rounded off end of the square key is down and towards the inboard direction. If installed wrong the hub will not run true. Al

06-26-2018, 10:03 AM	#24
34pickup Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Huntsville Al Posts: 1,526	Re: Do ALL banjo rearends require a hub puller to remove the brake drum? OK, thanks for the advice. __________________ Matt 24:36-41

06-26-2018, 11:38 PM	#26
Tinker Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: MN Posts: 7,053	Re: Do ALL banjo rearends require a hub puller to remove the brake drum? Sponsored Links (Register now to hide all advertisements) I've used a model A puller on a few 30s fords with no issue from snyder's. Flush up the axle nut on the axle to keep things from going mush also. I had it and it worked. Just a thought. The one you posted looks like it'll work fine, if it clutches the slot in the drum and you keep the axle nut flush to the axle end. its all a proper krw tool does. some more... https://www.fordbarn.com/forum/showt...5686&showall=1 https://fordbarn.com/forum/showthrea...8518&showall=1 You wont ever never regret buying the right tool ever never. I also know you couldn't go wrong with mac vp's offer. super nice option. i'd seriously consider. You don't want to make this a 1k problem or more. Last edited by Tinker; 06-27-2018 at 12:38 AM.

06-27-2018, 10:15 AM	#27
RalphM Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2015 Location: North Pole, Alaska Posts: 2,651	Re: Do ALL banjo rearends require a hub puller to remove the brake drum? All this talk about pullers made me decide to go ahead and purchase the best, ( I’ve had cheap ones fail) hub puller available. I was disheartened to call the Winfield tool works phone number I found in one of my older V8 times magazines, only to find that they had shut down and are no longer making these fine tools.

06-27-2018, 10:34 AM	#28
grumppyoldman Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2017 Location: Texas Gulf Coast Posts: 727	Re: Do ALL banjo rearends require a hub puller to remove the brake drum? After going through all the hell of removing the hubs, I bought the hubs and drums thst will come off seperately. Al

06-29-2018, 05:35 AM	#29
51woodie Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2018 Location: Chelmsford, ON Canada Posts: 528	Re: Do ALL banjo rearends require a hub puller to remove the brake drum? Go to Vintage Precision Inc in Benicia CA. Their puller kit is excellent. I purchased one for my '46 and was happy to have it. The P/N is VP-FHP1, and the price (well worth it) is $125.00. It comes in a nice plastic case.

06-29-2018, 07:48 PM	#31
RalphM Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2015 Location: North Pole, Alaska Posts: 2,651	Re: Do ALL banjo rearends require a hub puller to remove the brake drum? I think someone’s been in there before, studs are swadged to drum, unless they have been changed and not reswaged

10-25-2018, 04:24 PM	#37
john in illinois Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Illinois Posts: 2,184	Re: Do ALL banjo rearends require a hub puller to remove the brake drum? Boling Bros- MT car makes hubs and detachable drums. http://www.mtcarproducts.com/productsgrid.html John

10-25-2018, 09:38 PM	#38
JM 35 Sedan Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Near Rising Sun, Maryland Posts: 10,858	Re: Do ALL banjo rearends require a hub puller to remove the brake drum? If you go with separate hub & drum assemblies, it does make servicing the brakes a lot easier, however, if/when you need to take the complete rear apart, you will still need a puller to remove the hub from the tapered axle, unless the axle nut has not been torqued to spec. __________________ *John* *"Never give up on what you really want to do. The person with big dreams is more powerful than one with all the facts". Albert Einstein*

10-25-2018, 09:40 PM	#39
Tinker Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: MN Posts: 7,053	Re: Do ALL banjo rearends require a hub puller to remove the brake drum? Think rear hubs is 180 lbs? If they are loose you will do damage. Anything torqued that much and is 40+ yrs old is going to be hard to remove. Puller really makes it easy. . Last edited by Tinker; 10-25-2018 at 09:50 PM.

10-28-2018, 11:22 AM	#40
grumppyoldman Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2017 Location: Texas Gulf Coast Posts: 727	Re: Do ALL banjo rearends require a hub puller to remove the brake drum? Just a reminder, when putting the hub on the axle,make sure the rounded off end of the square key is down and towards the inboard direction. If installed wrong the hub will not run true. Al