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Rare Deuce parts thread
Pressed splash apron from Belgian 3 window, chromed brass insert from Spanish B400, German badge, English red badges, English dual temp gauge, US dual temp, English sidelights, crank hole with pressing, Spanish dash knob, English headlamp glass, German ivory handles, UK ashtray and handle...
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More...Imp gals gauge (I am looking for one to buy!), Early single hood hooks, UK Cooper Stewart gauges (4 types), German dash knob, UK interior light, Model 14 sidelights
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More...Model 14 bumper emblem, RHD column drop and foot rest, B400 mirror, RHD stop light switch, UK two piece steering wheel, French Jaeger speedo, German chassis stamp, radio, sport coupe parts, European chrome grille shell....and the best book ever to read about them all!!!!
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Woodie tag, RPU dash, sport coupe top irons, UK Model B (left) & Model 14 steering wheels, RHD pedals, flat Depress Beam headlamp glass - for wartime use, UK 'petrol' gas gauge, UK sedan dash, raised louver hood sides, UK headlamp versus US (no Twolite stamp and screw adjuster to rear), UK commercial side lights (steel bowl not stainless / chrome as passenger)
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A daft obsession Mart...and they aren't all mine!
...B400 / Vicky running board brackets, German Drauz body emblem, European rad cap (left), ash trays Last edited by Deuce-Addict; 08-30-2018 at 07:22 AM. |
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Nice collection, except the roadster door in group 2 looks suspiciously like a 1936.
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Thanks Karl, that's intriguing. I saved the image ages ago as the wood in mine is missing and planned on trying to replicate it using this pic. |
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Keith, very nice photo collection and even nicer of you to share it. Respectfully, I "think" that in your first group.....The blue "Deutsches" Ford oval wasn't used till late 1935 or 1936. I think you and I have talked before and that for 32 the (little further in the same grouping) Red Ford ovals were "most" likely appropriate. I believe there was a "Government Approval" attached to the use of "Deutsches Erzuicians" and Ford didn't attain that status until 1936 I believe???? Would like to find an "original" red one!!!!
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Note the difference in the door latch. The Australian latch is designed more like a closed car latch and the 36 latch interlocks like a US 32-34 roadster latch. PM gearheadbill , I think he has several pictures of Australian phaeton wood saved on his computer. Last edited by uncle buck; 09-04-2018 at 11:46 PM. |
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I agree with Karl that the door is a mid-35 through '36 phaeton-roadster door. Great collection of photos and thanks for sharing them. I especially like the rare Model 14 items and confirmation that a commercial version of the '32 fender lamps existed like the commercial/truck version of cowl lamps in North America, both of which seem to be exceedingly rare. |
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Hi Robert, am sure you are right. It was this article years ago that set my interest but doesn't mean it was correct. If a red Ford script one that you are after let me know and will keep a look out for you. |
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Thanks David, Karl and Uncle Buck...good job I haven't braved making a start on replacing the wood on mine! |
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Yes Please!!!! Obviously the nicer the better as you know where its destined for!!! |
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Thanks for all that Keith.I have had the red script ones from France and Australia.Being an old friend of Bob Drake he had asked me at one time what he could produce for the Street Rod market.I mentioned the red porcelain emblems that fit in the 32 bezel.He said he needed to have one to prove to Ford that it was genuine.Since he is under license to reproduce parts and that they were very particular about the Ford logo etc. I sent him the one from Australia that I had.That is how he started making the colored ones.
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35 Aussie Ute door.
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As for the "Red" Ford ovals I think (and so far) this is the only one known at this point but not 1932 or as relevant for this post.
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David - the variations on English sidelights for one (short) year was incredible. The picture shows the variation on those that I have (and there likely are others). The first is a 'standard' passenger car one with stainless bowl and rim and glass that broadly matches the UK headlight, the second has a chromed steel bowl and rim, the third a commercial painted steel bowl and rim with a tight ribbed curved glass, the next same but with wide ribbed flat glass, the next a steel painted bowl with a stainless rim and finally a steel painted bowl and rim with a 'passenger type' glass. For interest have also included a picture of a Model A one against the '32 to show the size difference, the A being the larger. |
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Keith,
Thanks for the further elaboration on the '32 sidelights and their variations. To the best of my knowledge, the North American commercial/truck cowl lamps came in only one version which was with a plain steel black-painted body, black-painted die cast brackets, and everything else common with the passenger car version (which was also the version used on deluxe panel deliveries and late station wagons as standard equipment). |
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Below shows size and broad differences of UK sidelights to N American cowl lights...
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Your pic of the door wood may be a 36, but the Aussie 32 doors were very similar. A local 32 restorer had an imported Australian roadster body that had most of the original wood still in it. It was soft/cracked, so he replicated US stamped steel panels as a replacement.
(Don't tell anybody, but he got tired of doing 100% restos and turned that body into an Ardun fired hiboy hot rod) |
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Sheldon My head hurts from reading this post. You know to much about these 32's. Good to see you are still at it. Ever in Texas come by. Bruce
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Sounds like Deuce-Addict (Keith) and deuce lover (Sheldon) are being mistaken for one another.
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As rockfla pointed out, the door (top photo) is off an open 1935/1936 Ford. He also correctly pointed out that the Roadster/Phaeton doors wee longer than the Roadster Ute. Please see pictures above showing the difference in length. |
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Thought I'd bring this thread to the top as its interesting to the '32 purist.I don't have the knowledge as some others but have the passion for the 32 and its parts. Living in France and attending many swap meets here I have turned up some Euro deuce stuff. Here is a '32 French fuel gauge.It has the "P" (for plein)instead of "F" for full.Found a mint 32 speedo a few months ago.Couple yrs ago turned up a near mint 32 commercial rad cap.Not much left but stuff still out there if you dig deeper.Another dig find, '32 Imperial Gals gas gauge.Bezel is nickel plated instead of chrome as most I have seen.My research came up with that the British Empire used Imp Gals as a unit of measure.So maybe Canada,Australia,So Africa or India ? Last edited by deuce lover; 04-19-2020 at 03:17 PM. |
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Neat finds! |
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Here is the cowl lights on our Cab. and they are "different" from the ones you posted both the base and the shape of the housing. They are more "pointed" on the rear and do not follow the shape of the headlight buckets. The base is also "different" than standard 32 even in the hole size and alignment pin!!! I'll have to get you better pictures of the back sides |
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I really like that speedometer! |
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Fuel gauge variants...
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I presume quite rare.RHD V8 engine pans
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Second version for engines with the oil dipstick in the oil pan on the left side.
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Hi all; Gotta jump in here.. I sold my single pull latches when I found these: The two on the left with the odd bases are WW2 GM truck hood latches- over 500K trucks mfg'd with 2 latches each! The three on the right are WW2 Dodge trucks [WC Series]- using windshield hold-down latches- Seemingly identical to the '32 Ford without chrome! And for reference the bottom two are tired '32s . So, apparently the tooling was around Detroit for some time. Newc
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OOPs--- here are the photos Newc
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Looking closely at those three on the upper right, their handles seem more depressed across the top than the version Ford used. It is actually a slight improvement as it permits your thumb to get a good purchase on the top of the handle to counter the tendency of the rest of your hand to tilt the latch forward as you lift up. That's why the later '32 T handle version is such a big improvement over the single pull version as all of your lifting force is directed upward and out rather than part way up and part way in, especially if the internal spring is in good shape. On a '32 hood side panel, the single pull latch is actually a pretty dumb idea. I have four NOS ones on one of my cars and they are a nightmare to use. I use a loop of cord around them so I can direct all of my pull upward. Or maybe I'm just getting old and weak.
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Will get the "INST LIGHTS" knob as soon as possible
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Did anyone mention the 25 louver hood? HRP
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Here is the Euro raised louvered panel hood side.
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Apart from being practical for cooling purposes and ugly from an appearance perspective, 25-louver hoods are not especially rare. What are rare are the first version of the U.S. 20-louver hood side panels where all 20 louvers are open as shown below.
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I would be happy to trade you a original 20 louver hood for a 25, In my humble opinion they look considerably better. HRP
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To each his own. I've never owned one and have gone out of my way to avoid owning a late '32 where that hood would be appropriate plus I've no interest in modified '32s.
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I've bought some single finger hood hooks from sources you guys would cringe at. Ford didn't hold the patent on those. As posted above, they made it around the world on military vehicles, as well as other passenger makes in the US. The key to deducting their Ford usage is the unique '32 base bracket.
I'd LOVE to have a pair of raised panel hood sides. I've had a couple pair of 25 louver hoods and would trade some in an instant for a raised pair. Obviously I like early '32 stuff. Here's my car: Last edited by alchemy; 06-26-2020 at 04:52 PM. |
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Alchemy...Man, I'd love to see a full picture of this GEM! I'm lovin' what I see!! PLEASE.....? DD |
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Here is the Euro hood - view from the rear.Last louver is open. |
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Certainly though, that side panel WOULDN'T fit or match the lines of an AMERICAN deuce, would it? The cowl is totally different, especially at bottom. DD ……….. |
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I put one on my USA deuce bodied tudor back in the mid 1990's.Deuce -Addict chimed in .So I learned something new.I've never seen the Model 14 in France.
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The one in the picture looks to be a Model 14 which drops down at the rear of the hood to meet the deeper body. A Model 14 hood would not fit a US ‘32. A UK raised louver Model B / 18 hood though is interchangeable with a US variant.
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As Keith indicates, there were two different sets of hood side panels in the life of the European vehicles built on '32 chassis from '32 through '34, with the Model 14 occupying roughly the latter half of that period.
Keith has graciously reminded me that I've forgotten what's in the book and in Ford's production records. The 106" wheelbase chassis continued to be produced in Europe until January, 1936, when the last ten of them were built. My apologies for the error in the previous paragraph. Last edited by DavidG; 06-27-2020 at 04:43 PM. Reason: correction |
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Crank hole variants, rare and common for comparison...
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Have had a couple of questions on the English '32 steering wheels. The below pics show their construction via the restoration process. In essence;
- a steel tube rim later dipped and coated in a plastic derived material which whilst soft is embossed for grip - cast aluminium 'spider' centre which again is coated and held onto the rim by 3 self tapping screws Last edited by Deuce-Addict; 06-29-2020 at 04:27 AM. |
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That's the type of steering wheel I have on Old Rusty. The spokes have lost their coating, though so are left in bare aluminium.
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I really like the look and feel of the English steering wheel, having had the pleasure of driving my friend Janne Ryden’s 32 across Sweden and Norway last summer and in 2017 to the V8 meets.
Tried to find one to take home and put on my own 32 but no luck finding the 3 spoke wheel. Thank goodness that Michael Driscoll now has the new North American style steering wheels available. I’m very satisfied with these new wheels! |
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I can't post more pics of my sedan. It's a hot rod. You'd all get mad at me.
I can tell you a little about it's "earliness" though. It's a 50,000 serial number car produced in Des Moines Iowa. It's the 180th tudor off the line there. It has early hood hooks, open louver hood sides, early pedals, innie dash, and did have an early column drop before I replaced it. But it had a late firewall and grille shell, so it was probably more likely an early summer assembled car. |
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Looks like it had a trip to the barber shop judging from the shaved area in the center.
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alchemy....There are quite a few of us here with hot rods, ME included. Many of these old Fords being re-purposed as 'hot rods' over the years is what has saved quite a few from the crusher. If you still feel awkward about posting a pic or two of that wonderful 'hot rod' here on the forum, would you mind PM-ing a couple to me, please? I'd sure love to see it in it's entirety. Hell, it would be valuable to many of us just to highlight it's several 'early' features. Thanks alchemy! DD |
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Rather than roll out the then-valid 70-year-old "saved from the crusher" rationale that blew by its "best by" expiry date when the first restored car was turned into a hot rod, why not just admit "it's what I wanted to do". That has current validity. Last edited by DavidG; 07-01-2020 at 07:21 AM. |
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I started looking at what I could get for individual pieces off of our 33 Fourdor 4cyl and "for sure" could get "Way More" from "JUST" the grill than we paid for it and a pretty tighty sum IF you add the Fenders, hood and other bits and pieces IF what is advertised is actually what they get in price??? Sort of sad to look at it that way really!!
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Here's some pics. This car had the red repaint in the 50's, but hadn't been touched since then. We turned it into a hot rod in 2006. The only "damage" done was the drilling of 13 holes and some slight trimming of the front crossmember. It could be returned to stock in a long weekend.
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Judging by the pictures.....the motor was "touched" too, at some point!!!! "Just Sayin"!!!
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Heck with some long weekend. NOTHING to be changed on that jewel...PERIOD! I LOVE it, and can't thank you enough for posting those. You probably already know this, but in a crowd of restored stockers, the crowd of people will be gathered around THIS one. Thanks again! DD |
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Thought I'd bring back up this great thread. Here is the radio in the flesh.Missing the antenna and motor generator in one of the boxes.
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Re: Rare Deuce parts thread
Nice find Sheldon!!! Thanks for sharing
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05-10-2021, 07:30 AM | #74 |
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Re: Rare Deuce parts thread
On the subject of raised panel hoods vs not, 20 louver vs 25, & closed rear louver vs. open which might I only surmise have the least flex/twist when opened. ?
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05-10-2021, 11:11 AM | #75 |
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So, just WTF is a "Superheterodyne"? Apparently, it's any sort of TUNABLE radio. The invention is now credited to French radio engineer and radio manufacturer Lucien Lèvy. Virtually all modern radio receivers use the superheterodyne principle. DD |
05-10-2021, 11:49 AM | #76 |
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Regarding '32 hood sides' flexing, IMO in likely order of most to least: earliest 20-louver with all 20 louvers open, 20-louver with 19 louvers open, 25-louver with 23 louvers open, and 20-louvers on raised side panels.
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05-10-2021, 06:15 PM | #77 |
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Re: Rare Deuce parts thread
Nice treasure
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05-10-2021, 09:22 PM | #78 |
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Re: Rare Deuce parts thread
My father used to say the Superhets were the bees knees before the war.
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05-11-2021, 05:40 AM | #79 |
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Thanks for compiling these Duece-Addict. Love the dual gauges and immaculate winter-front.
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05-11-2021, 06:44 AM | #80 |
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Re: Rare Deuce parts thread
Did not see a right side tail light with red lens on top! Anyone have one?
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05-11-2021, 04:51 PM | #81 |
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Yes, I have several, but Ford did not offer them, rather they are an aftermarket offering first offered for Model As.
Much rarer and a legitimate Ford part is the '32 tail lamp housing without an opening for the license plate lamp lens. Ford's switch to single bulbs with two filaments in 1933 did not fly in three countries that required separate bulbs for brake and tail lamps. Those three countries were Denmark, Japan, and Switzerland, none of which had large car markets, hence the rarity of surviving examples. Unlike the reproduction, the originals are not stamped "DUOLAMP" and in order to fit on a '33 tail lamp bracket with its built-in clinch nuts, there either are no square nuts inside or the nuts are thread less (I've seen them both ways). As you might imagine they likely looked odd in place as the back of them is larger in diameter than the normal '33 tail lamp housing and the back of the lamp bracket. |
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