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pooch · 03-26-2015, 01:39 AM

Thank you all for explaining .

I can now peruse the babbitt topics with a little more knowledge and understanding.

dumb person · 03-26-2015, 01:43 AM

So has anyone tried boring an A block to take babbitt inserts like the chevy4's did? Sounds like a good compromise between poured bearings and inserts.

Kohnke Rebabbitting · 03-26-2015, 02:19 AM

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Originally Posted by pooch

Thank you all for explaining .

I can now peruse the babbitt topics with a little more knowledge and understanding.

I am sorry Mr. Pooch, I just hope I didn't tell you more then I know.

Herm.

Kohnke Rebabbitting · 03-26-2015, 02:22 AM

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Originally Posted by dumb person

So has anyone tried boring an A block to take babbitt inserts like the chevy4's did? Sounds like a good compromise between poured bearings and inserts.

While they both work very well, I don't think there would be any advantage to do so, not if they both can be done well.

Herm.

40 Deluxe · 03-26-2015, 02:33 AM

Concerning the comments on the purpose of locking tabs on insert bearings, the new Chrysler V8's do not have locking tabs, they depend on crush fit to hold the insert in place, and I have seen them spin the inserts.

Tom Wesenberg · 03-26-2015, 09:21 AM

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Originally Posted by 40 Deluxe

Concerning the comments on the purpose of locking tabs on insert bearings, the new Chrysler V8's do not have locking tabs, they depend on crush fit to hold the insert in place, and I have seen them spin the inserts.

In 1977 I was working for a MoPar dealership, and a new Dodge van had a very faint engine ticking noise. I pulled the pan and found one of the rod cap bearing notches was cut in the wrong location. So the tab was pressed flat and that bearing was putting pressure against the crankshaft journal. I filed a new notch in the rod cap and installed a new bearing and all was well. Hard to believe they now have dropped the locking tabs.

pooch · 03-26-2015, 02:48 PM

Yeh, seems a dumb move to delete the locating notches, ( I won't called them 'locking tabs'), the notches are to locate the inserts not only sideways, but to accurately locate the oil hole.

Any hamfister then could drop the inserts in anywhere and bolt it up.

dumb person · 03-26-2015, 03:29 PM

There is an advantage to babbitt shell inserts, no requirement for block heating and complex pouring when the complex pour can be done overseas and out in the middle of nowhere workshops can place the insert years later. (Overcomes the only problem i can find with poured babbitt)

Just when chrysler was having early engine deaths they deleted the locating notch? i can't understand why.

40 Deluxe · 03-26-2015, 03:55 PM

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Originally Posted by dumb person

There is an advantage to babbitt shell inserts, no requirement for block heating and complex pouring when the complex pour can be done overseas and out in the middle of nowhere workshops can place the insert years later. (Overcomes the only problem i can find with poured babbitt)

Just when chrysler was having early engine deaths they deleted the locating notch? i can't understand why.

Yeah, the other guys at the shop just shook their heads when I read that to them. Soon after a Dodge (Durango, if I remember) came in with a knock-had spun a rod bearing. Was under warranty so off to the dealer for an extended period. Maybe this is a Fiat idea to save a few coins.

372dart · 03-26-2015, 05:49 PM

when should Babbitt should peened? warm or cold? Make more than one pour, and peen after each pour? If you did not peen at all, wouldn't the Babbitt fall out line-boring?

hardtimes · 03-26-2015, 06:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Kohnke Rebabbitting

They are N.O.S. Ford Caps!

Herm

Hey Herm,
Great info/instructions and pictures that you are passing on here, thanks for sharing

!
You go to front of line for instant ID of nos Ford Caps !

You also posted pics of other caps that made me remember some 'caps' that I had put in a box half century ago. Here they are, main caps. Heavy and think made of bronze/brass (?). Quiz; What are they for/from ?

Never mind the dirt on Babbitt faces , from sitting forever .

Kohnke Rebabbitting · 03-26-2015, 06:54 PM

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Originally Posted by hardtimes

Hey Herm,
Great info/instructions and pictures that you are passing on here, thanks for sharing

!
You go to front of line for instant ID of nos Ford Caps !

You also posted pics of other caps that made me remember some 'caps' that I had put in a box half century ago. Here they are, main caps. Heavy and think made of bronze/brass (?). Quiz; What are they for/from ?

Never mind the dirt on Babbitt faces , from sitting forever .

I would say 1929 to 1930-31 Chevys Six's?

Herm.

Kohnke Rebabbitting · 03-26-2015, 07:30 PM

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Originally Posted by 372dart

when should Babbitt should peened? warm or cold? Make more than one pour, and peen after each pour? If you did not peen at all, wouldn't the Babbitt fall out line-boring?

Mr. Dart, Babbitt should be peened just as soon as you can remove the mold, with out breaking the babbitt lining.

The colder the babbitt gets, the more of a chance you will fracture the babbitt, and the bad thing is you can't see it from the out side.

I use a pneumatic hammer, it covers 100% of the area, a little at a time.

I have seen loose babbitt that you could move in the block, but that is rare.

You may not notice it while align Boring.

Thanks,

Herm.

hardtimes · 03-26-2015, 07:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Kohnke Rebabbitting

I would say 1929 to 1930-31 Chevys Six's?

Herm.

Hey Herm,
Wow, you are good at this

!
Yup, 1930 chev six ! I had a Lost Angeles engine company ,i.e.- Egge Machine redo my short block and got these back with new in block.
Back in about '60 threw them in a box of other '30 chev parts and remembered them when you commented here.
BTW they have no 'tangs/locator' of sets .

Kohnke Rebabbitting · 03-26-2015, 10:59 PM

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Originally Posted by hardtimes

Hey Herm,
Wow, you are good at this

!
Yup, 1930 chev six ! I had a Lost Angeles engine company ,i.e.- Egge Machine redo my short block and got these back with new in block.
Back in about '60 threw them in a box of other '30 chev parts and remembered them when you commented here.
BTW they have no 'tangs/locator' of sets .

BTW they have no 'tangs/locator' of sets. "END QUOTE"

No they don't Mr. Hardtimes, but what they do have is replaceable upper locating dowel pins in the block for the hole in the top shell to slide over, so the bearings don't spin.

Herm.

Jeff/Illinois · 03-27-2015, 01:53 PM

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Originally Posted by 40 Deluxe

Yeah, the other guys at the shop just shook their heads when I read that to them. Soon after a Dodge (Durango, if I remember) came in with a knock-had spun a rod bearing. Was under warranty so off to the dealer for an extended period. Maybe this is a Fiat idea to save a few coins.

I guess Chrysler just doesn't get it. (Fiat anyway) When they are going broke again because they are building pure junk like they used to, I wonder if the Fed will bail them out again or just cut them loose

Was told by a Dodge mechanic friend just last night that the 9 spd. automatic tranny they are boasting about is now showing signs of failure. Expensive failure.

03-26-2015, 01:39 AM	#21
pooch Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: South Coast NSW Australia Posts: 2,596	Re: What do you think of this Babbitt Thank you all for explaining . I can now peruse the babbitt topics with a little more knowledge and understanding.

03-26-2015, 01:43 AM	#22
dumb person Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: South pacific island Posts: 1,724	Re: What do you think of this Babbitt So has anyone tried boring an A block to take babbitt inserts like the chevy4's did? Sounds like a good compromise between poured bearings and inserts. __________________ <Link> This is how we roll<Link> "I'm Convinced that no one really reads posts anymore; they just fabricate what they think the post says then ramble on about red herrings."--Bob Outcasts rules of old cars #1 Fun is imperative, mainstream is overrated #2 If they think it is impossible, prove them wrong #3 If the science says it impossible you are not being creative enough. #4 No shame in recreating something you never had #5 If it were not for the law & physics you would be unstoppable

03-26-2015, 02:33 AM	#25
40 Deluxe Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: now Kuna, Idaho Posts: 3,778	Re: What do you think of this Babbitt Concerning the comments on the purpose of locking tabs on insert bearings, the new Chrysler V8's do not have locking tabs, they depend on crush fit to hold the insert in place, and I have seen them spin the inserts.

03-26-2015, 02:48 PM	#27
pooch Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: South Coast NSW Australia Posts: 2,596	Re: What do you think of this Babbitt Yeh, seems a dumb move to delete the locating notches, ( I won't called them 'locking tabs'), the notches are to locate the inserts not only sideways, but to accurately locate the oil hole. Any hamfister then could drop the inserts in anywhere and bolt it up.

03-26-2015, 03:29 PM	#28
dumb person Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: South pacific island Posts: 1,724	Re: What do you think of this Babbitt There is an advantage to babbitt shell inserts, no requirement for block heating and complex pouring when the complex pour can be done overseas and out in the middle of nowhere workshops can place the insert years later. (Overcomes the only problem i can find with poured babbitt) Just when chrysler was having early engine deaths they deleted the locating notch? i can't understand why. __________________ <Link> This is how we roll<Link> "I'm Convinced that no one really reads posts anymore; they just fabricate what they think the post says then ramble on about red herrings."--Bob Outcasts rules of old cars #1 Fun is imperative, mainstream is overrated #2 If they think it is impossible, prove them wrong #3 If the science says it impossible you are not being creative enough. #4 No shame in recreating something you never had #5 If it were not for the law & physics you would be unstoppable

03-26-2015, 05:49 PM	#30
372dart Member Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Tiffin,Ohio Posts: 36	Re: What do you think of this Babbitt when should Babbitt should peened? warm or cold? Make more than one pour, and peen after each pour? If you did not peen at all, wouldn't the Babbitt fall out line-boring?