Model B 4 cyl engine

[JakesGarage]

I know this is a V8 forum but I don't see where to ask about the Model B. Does anyone know how to identify this model? It's a 4 cylinder that had been attached to a DC welder for many years and hasn't been run for 60 years, probably. It's been garage-kept for most of it's life. I think it'd be useful for someone to rebuild and put in a vehicle. It's taking up space in our garage so I'm sure someone needs it more than we do! Thanks in advance for any advice.

[cas3]

Its on an A frame, got chevy wheels and hubs, looks like it could be a 32 radiator, got a slight V in the front of the top tank? Engine number on the bell housing?

[sugarmaker]

Jake from the pictures it looks like a ;B engine. Some one will want it . Thanks for posting.
Had the C marked head and exhaust at 45 degrees.
Where are you and what do you want for it? Please PM me when you can.
Regards,
Chris

[38 coupe]

I have a friend that would like that engine if the price isn't crazy.
Where is the engine?

[DavidG]

This forum seems to work just fine for '32-'34 fours, so you found the right place. As for the engine, as Chris notes, it is definitely a '32 B engine sitting in what looks to be the remnant of a Model A frame along with a Model A radiator (no provision for a '32 hood hinge bracket). It appears to be a fairly late version judging from the intake manifold and the large diameter oil filler pipe, which raises the possibility that it has another later feature, a counterbalanced crankshaft.

[cas3]

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So, David G, the 32's did not have the big oil tube? I thought that was all B's...but perhaps I thought wrong !

[JakesGarage]

Really appreciate the information. I'm about 30 miles north of Pittsburgh in Butler, PA. I want to be reasonable with the price because we don't know what condition it is in internally, but really am not sure what "reasonable" is - I've had one offer locally but was hoping for insight here about identification and possibly value.

[JakesGarage]

I should add that I don't have the distributor for it as far as I know...we might find it in the garage but haven't yet.

[JakesGarage]

For those who asked me to PM, I evidently don't have enough posts to be able to PM yet. Hopefully I answered your questions on the thread.

[Frank Miller]

if you can determine there is a counterbalanced crank, I'd as 500. Remove filler tube and look in the crankcase. If you or a friend have a bore scope to hook to your phone and take pictures then even better.

[DavidG]

cas3, The switch to a larger diameter oil filler tube was a running change during 1932 four-cylinder engine production. The initial version of the '32 B oil filler pipe was the same diameter as the Model A filler pipe, but taller in overall length. In fact (according to the Dearborn Engine Plant log), it wasn't until engine number B-5081832 that 100% of all fours had the larger diameter filler tube and associated cap.

[DavidG]

The Dearborn Engine Plant log tells us when the changeover to counterbalanced crankshafts was complete (B-5175104), but unfortunately it does not indicate when the changeover began.

[cas3]

Thank you David. I have a B here with the big tube, but non balanced crank. I have always guessed it to be a 32

[JakesGarage]

Well, I don't have bore scope but I will look it over more tomorrow and maybe get more pictures. Other than taking the oil pan off, is there another way to determine if there's a counterbalanced crankshaft?

[cas3]

If you know what to look for, you could see thru the fuel pump hole I think

[totto]

It also has a fuel pump so it is not a Model A.

Henry

[Bored&Stroked]

Unless you take it all apart, inspect the block for cracks, have it pressure tested, etc . . . there is really no way to know what condition it is in.

I'd consider it a "core engine" in its current state and would not spend more than about $400 - $500 on it. It is a total gamble even at that.

[Ol' Ron]

Now you have enough information to pull the pan and take some more pics, see if it will turnover. Besides, what else are your doing, might be fun.
Gramp

[JakesGarage]

Okay guys, here's the serial number in the photo. I did get some pics in the oil tube hole but really don't know what I'm looking for. Thank you for the information, you're better than Google. I'm not planning to take it apart as we have a local buyer. Thanks again!

[DavidG]

With that engine number, the odds are very good that it originally had a counterbalanced crankshaft. (However, it it were rebuilt along the way it may have lost that crankshaft in the process.). When you peer in that hole look for the cast steel sections joining the rod journals with the main journals that extend outward to a considerable extent beyond the rod journals forming counterweights.