Go Back   The Ford Barn > General Discussion > Model A (1928-31)

Sponsored Links (Register now to hide all advertisements)

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 10-20-2014, 12:29 PM   #1
msmaron
Senior Member
 
msmaron's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2010
Location: Wauconda, IL
Posts: 3,600
Send a message via AIM to msmaron
Default Remember to Grease that little zirk on the rear Cam Actuating lever

Was having some real serious breaking problems. Took everything apart including all the rods..Then i found it..turns out actuating arm for the cam on the rear breaks was FROZEN Solid...after removing the backing plates and having to remove the arm I saw it was rusted solid to the bearing..In my haste over a long period of time that little zirk which became dirty and hidden I failed to grease and it froze up.. all fixed now and just as a reminder to everyone...dont forget that little puppy!!
Attached Images
File Type: jpg IMG_4832.jpg (27.5 KB, 173 views)
File Type: jpg IMG_4833.jpg (20.3 KB, 150 views)
__________________
Mark Maron
Ill., Region MARC & MAFCA
MARC JSC Member MAFFI Trustee
National Facebook Admin.
https://www.facebook.com/groups/MARC.group/

A7191-Sport Coupe
29 Roadster
29-Town Sedan
29-Original Special Coupe
msmaron is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-20-2014, 06:01 PM   #2
1931 flamingo
Senior Member
 
1931 flamingo's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2010
Location: new britain,ct 06052
Posts: 9,390
Default Re: Remember to Grease that little zirk on the rear Cam Actuating lever

Mark: Changing your Avitar is messing me up .
Paul
1931 flamingo is offline   Reply With Quote
Sponsored Links (Register now to hide all advertisements)
Old 10-20-2014, 07:29 PM   #3
P.S.
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2012
Location: California
Posts: 1,696
Default Re: Remember to Grease that little zirk on the rear Cam Actuating lever

When I got my Tudor, those rear zerks still had blue tape over them from when the rear end was painted by previous restorer over 40 years ago. I greased them, the brakes work excellent.
P.S. is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-20-2014, 07:37 PM   #4
Synchro909
Senior Member
 
Synchro909's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2014
Location: Melbourne, Australia
Posts: 7,496
Default Re: Remember to Grease that little zirk on the rear Cam Actuating lever

I've been wondering what a Zerk is but this post has helped (I think) in a way not intended. It's a grease nipple!!!!!!
I haven't spent sleepless nights wondering about it but it now begs the question "Where did that name come from?"
Anyone?
Synchro909 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-20-2014, 07:52 PM   #5
Big hammer
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2014
Location: Land of Lincoln
Posts: 3,131
Default Re: Remember to Grease that little zirk on the rear Cam Actuating lever

Oscar U Zerk invented the grease fitting
Big hammer is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-20-2014, 07:57 PM   #6
SeaSlugs
Senior Member
 
SeaSlugs's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2010
Location: Central, IL
Posts: 3,968
Default Re: Remember to Grease that little zirk on the rear Cam Actuating lever

Sponsored Links (Register now to hide all advertisements)
Quote:
Originally Posted by Big hammer View Post
Oscar U Zerk invented the grease fitting
I learned something today!

And yea msmaron - your avitar changing threw me for a loop too

Has anyone made a checklist people could print off about all the different grease zerks on a model A? Maybe have a space for when the oil was last changed also on it!

I know theres the lubrication chart that shows how often and where to grease...
__________________
1929 Model AA - Need long splash aprons!
SeaSlugs is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-20-2014, 07:57 PM   #7
Synchro909
Senior Member
 
Synchro909's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2014
Location: Melbourne, Australia
Posts: 7,496
Default Re: Remember to Grease that little zirk on the rear Cam Actuating lever

Thanks Big Hammer.
Synchro909 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-20-2014, 11:26 PM   #8
MikeK
Senior Member
 
MikeK's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2010
Location: Windy City
Posts: 2,919
Default Re: Remember to Grease that little zirk on the rear Cam Actuating lever

Of note here, Ford did NOT originally use Zerk fittings on the A. In many cases the original fittings have been replaced with Zerk style fittings. Later design Zerk guns (rights assigned to Alemite) not only accommodated off-axis engagement, but they also locked on the fitting. This later improvement permitted lubing without applying physical pressure to the fitting or use of a bayonet coupling. At that point lever pump guns with grease hoses came into use and the non-locking fittings on the "A" fell into disuse.

Anyone with a name like Oh, You Zerk! begs attestation, so here it is:
(Note that these early gun fittings do not also hydraulically lock like later designs)

MikeK is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-21-2014, 04:46 AM   #9
BILL WILLIAMSON
Senior Member
 
BILL WILLIAMSON's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2010
Location: FRESNO, CA
Posts: 12,560
Default Re: Remember to Grease that little zirk on the rear Cam Actuating lever

Quote:
Originally Posted by Synchro909 View Post
I've been wondering what a Zerk is but this post has helped (I think) in a way not intended. It's a grease nipple!!!!!!
I haven't spent sleepless nights wondering about it but it now begs the question "Where did that name come from?"
Anyone?
Don't feel like the LONE RANGER, Synchro,
My Son, Gregg, (RIP) always was confused about FEMALE/MALE fittings, until Chief, his Grandpa, made a 3 finger gesture to him, & he NEVER was confused again!! Like ----->0
Bill W.
__________________
"THE ASSISTANT GURU OF STUFF"
BILL WILLIAMSON is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-21-2014, 05:01 AM   #10
BILL WILLIAMSON
Senior Member
 
BILL WILLIAMSON's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2010
Location: FRESNO, CA
Posts: 12,560
Default Re: Remember to Grease that little zirk on the rear Cam Actuating lever

A rethreaded zerk & grease gun is a blessing when trying to disassemble stuck disc brake or drum brake wheel cylinders. I put a pressure gauge on a grease gun & it EASILY pegged out the 2,000 Lb. gauge!
On my friend's '47 Ford, someone didn't align 1 of the grease holes in 1 of his king pin bushings. We drilled through the bushing & slightly into the king pin, blew it out & put the zerk back in. With a grease gun & QUITE a bit of effort, we forced grease out of BOTH ends of the bushing, VOILLE'
I'm glad they called it a ZERK, that's easier to say/write, than, "A SELF LOCKING FITTING FOR INJECTING GREASE INTO MOVING PARTS"! ZERK has a nice ring to it, kinda' like, JERK!
Bill W.
__________________
"THE ASSISTANT GURU OF STUFF"

Last edited by BILL WILLIAMSON; 10-21-2014 at 05:10 AM.
BILL WILLIAMSON is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-21-2014, 07:12 AM   #11
rocket1
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2014
Location: Midland Park,N.J.
Posts: 1,108
Default Re: Remember to Grease that little zirk on the rear Cam Actuating lever

Mechanics started calling customers jerks for not greasing the fittings,eventually they became known as zerk fittings,get it?
rocket1 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-21-2014, 09:13 AM   #12
P.S.
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2012
Location: California
Posts: 1,696
Default Re: Remember to Grease that little zirk on the rear Cam Actuating lever

Quote:
Originally Posted by MikeK View Post
Of note here, Ford did NOT originally use Zerk fittings on the A. In many cases the original fittings have been replaced with Zerk style fittings. Later design Zerk guns (rights assigned to Alemite) not only accommodated off-axis engagement, but they also locked on the fitting. This later improvement permitted lubing without applying physical pressure to the fitting or use of a bayonet coupling. At that point lever pump guns with grease hoses came into use and the non-locking fittings on the "A" fell into disuse.

Anyone with a name like Oh, You Zerk! begs attestation, so here it is:
(Note that these early gun fittings do not also hydraulically lock like later designs)

Yes, of course you are correct. I just automatically call all grease fittings zerks.
P.S. is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-21-2014, 09:28 AM   #13
45GPW
Member
 
45GPW's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2014
Location: Arizona
Posts: 65
Default Re: Remember to Grease that little zirk on the rear Cam Actuating lever

Quote:
Originally Posted by Big hammer View Post
Oscar U Zerk invented the grease fitting
No, Oscar Ulysses Zerk invented the Zerk fitting (after the Model A was already in production). Other types of pressure grease fittings existed long before Zerk invented his improved-style grease fitting.
45GPW is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-21-2014, 11:31 AM   #14
msmaron
Senior Member
 
msmaron's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2010
Location: Wauconda, IL
Posts: 3,600
Send a message via AIM to msmaron
Default Re: Remember to Grease that little zirk on the rear Cam Actuating lever

Bottom line..>Grease it ALL THE TIME.....
__________________
Mark Maron
Ill., Region MARC & MAFCA
MARC JSC Member MAFFI Trustee
National Facebook Admin.
https://www.facebook.com/groups/MARC.group/

A7191-Sport Coupe
29 Roadster
29-Town Sedan
29-Original Special Coupe
msmaron is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-21-2014, 04:15 PM   #15
BILL WILLIAMSON
Senior Member
 
BILL WILLIAMSON's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2010
Location: FRESNO, CA
Posts: 12,560
Default Re: Remember to Grease that little zirk on the rear Cam Actuating lever

Remember those old "ZERKS" that looked like a light bulb base? They worked pretty good.
Wonder if anyone collects old grease cups? Saw an OLD airplane motor at the Smithsonian, with exposed timing gears & a grease cup on the front cam bearing. They must have brushed the timing gears with grease before flying. Same engine had NO valve cover & had squirt can holes to oil the rockers!! For sure, they DIDN'T need valve stem seals!! The carb. looked like it was machined out of a square block of BRASS!
Bill W.
__________________
"THE ASSISTANT GURU OF STUFF"
BILL WILLIAMSON is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-21-2014, 05:29 PM   #16
gweilbaker
Senior Member
 
gweilbaker's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2010
Location: Lindenhurst, IL
Posts: 792
Default Re: Remember to Grease that little zirk on the rear Cam Actuating lever

Big deal, so he invented pressurized grease coupling. What about finding the solution to the separation of grease whilst in a grease gun? Grrrrr!
gweilbaker is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-21-2014, 10:38 PM   #17
BILL WILLIAMSON
Senior Member
 
BILL WILLIAMSON's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2010
Location: FRESNO, CA
Posts: 12,560
Default Re: Remember to Grease that little zirk on the rear Cam Actuating lever

Quote:
Originally Posted by gweilbaker View Post
Big deal, so he invented pressurized grease coupling. What about finding the solution to the separation of grease whilst in a grease gun? Grrrrr!
Maybe take it to your paint store & have them SHAAAAAKE it, just before your next grease job??
Bill W.
__________________
"THE ASSISTANT GURU OF STUFF"
BILL WILLIAMSON is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-22-2014, 06:05 AM   #18
30ccpickup
Senior Member
 
30ccpickup's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2010
Location: Wakarusa, IN
Posts: 928
Default Re: Remember to Grease that little zirk on the rear Cam Actuating lever

Quote:
Originally Posted by SeaSlugs View Post
I learned something today!

And yea msmaron - your avitar changing threw me for a loop too

Has anyone made a checklist people could print off about all the different grease zerks on a model A? Maybe have a space for when the oil was last changed also on it!

I know theres the lubrication chart that shows how often and where to grease...


http://m.inventory.ford.com/2014-For...nvpacode=04664


Thanks to http://www.fordgarage.com/ for providing such a nice chart.
__________________
http://MODELABASICS.com/ How Things Work on a Model "A" Ford

Fordbarners, Feel free to use the pictures on my site to answer questions and create tutorials/tech articles.
30ccpickup is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-22-2014, 09:49 AM   #19
OL JENNY
Senior Member
 
OL JENNY's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2012
Location: Muscatine, IA
Posts: 223
Default Re: Remember to Grease that little zirk on the rear Cam Actuating lever

Can you purchase this chart? The website does not allow printing
OL JENNY is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-22-2014, 10:35 AM   #20
45GPW
Member
 
45GPW's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2014
Location: Arizona
Posts: 65
Default Re: Remember to Grease that little zirk on the rear Cam Actuating lever

Quote:
Originally Posted by OL JENNY View Post
Can you purchase this chart? The website does not allow printing
Not sure about that one, but you can get this one from most of the regular Model A parts suppliers:

http://www.macsautoparts.com/ford_mo...t-17-x-22.html

There are also similar versions available for the Model T and the early V8s.
45GPW is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply


Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump

Sponsored Links (Register now to hide all advertisements)


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 11:06 PM.