600 W Tranny Oil at Walmart

[Bruce Adams]

I was looking at Wally World's web site for Marvel Mystery Oil and look what I tripped over.
They call it 600W and its the same ISO as the 600W researched on this board by MOBIL at $35 / gallon.
I doubt I will find it on WalMart's shelves but they usually ship free for store pickup. They say its not available for free pickup on Long Island, NY though.

http://www.walmart.com/ip/MOBIL-Mobi...r-Oil/40892587

[Ed Saniewski]

Looks like it is not available for pick up in northern NJ either.

[Mike V. Florida]

Nor within 50 miles of Fort Lauderdale.

[Brianfrench65]

I have been told to use STP, in my transmission. It has never shifted better or been as cool and quiet, since I drained it overnight, and filled it with just straight STP, which is on the shelf at the Big Box stores.

[Franchise_24]

No store will stock it. It's sold through one of their marketplace vendors so it will be shipping only.

[Oldbluoval]

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As strange as it sounds and others can poo-poo or confirm, I've heard staright STP does not have adequate lubricating properties.

[V4F]

I use lucas 80/140 + power punch ...... steve

[mshmodela]

http://www.mobil.com/USA-English/Lub...ar_600_XP.aspx

That oil is 460 W iso not 600 W from above

[Greg Jones]

Mobilgear 680-buy it from a distributor of Mobil products.

[[email protected]]

Originally Posted by Oldbluoval

As strange as it sounds and others can poo-poo or confirm, I've heard staright STP does not have adequate lubricating properties.

Correct! STP always has to be mixed with some oil to work properly and should not be used 100%. It is basically just an oil thickener. Years ago, stock car racers have sometimes used a 80:20 STP mix on old beaters but always had at least 20% oil in the crankcase.

[JD 1931]

I have use 185w gear lube and cut it with 25% STP for years , works great use it in trans, rear end and sterring...

[Terry, NJ]

They say that STP is not a lubricant, but I've never seen that borne out by experience. I've told this story before, but a friend who was scrapping a lot of cars in the seventies tried a little test. How long could an engine with no oil run. This was as informal as you can get, But the engines with STP in the oil ran the longest. If someone has some scrap engines lying around and is willing to sacrifice them, I'd like to hear the results of your test. Please be a little more "Scientific" about it and write the numbers down.
Terry

[Terry, NJ]

Let me issue a disclaimer; I don't own stock in either Studebaker or Worthington or whoever owns STP now!
I have read (Can't cite the article) that STP cannot be removed from metal surfaces by solvents. It must be ground off. So at the very least, if you're putting a car away for long term storage, add some STP to the oils and get everything well coated.
Terry

[MikeK]

Originally Posted by Oldbluoval

As strange as it sounds and others can poo-poo or confirm, I've heard staright STP does not have adequate lubricating properties.

Originally Posted by [email protected]

Correct! STP always has to be mixed with some oil to work properly. . .

If you look at the MSDS you will see it is mostly OIL with a small percentage of additives. MSDS LINK
My old glass tube and steel ball viscosity rig has shown STP Hi-Mileage formulation to be about 4,700 SUS @ 100F. That's roughly iso 680 or thicker oil as the base.

[BILL WILLIAMSON]

When working @ a Volvo/Nissan dealer, when a new car owner complained of a "slight" differential whine, like @ 61 to 63 MPH, we'd drain the 90W & fill it with 140W & NO MORE COMPLAINT !
Bill W.

[Mitch//pa]

Originally Posted by BILL WILLIAMSON

When working @ a Volvo/Nissan dealer, when a new car owner complained of a "slight" differential whine, like @ 61 to 63 MPH, we'd drain the 90W & fill it with 140W & NO MORE COMPLAINT !
Bill W.

did they ever whine at 60 or 64

SA sonnout

[BILL WILLIAMSON]

Originally Posted by Mitch//pa

did they ever whine at 60 or 64

SA sonnout

They ALWAYS seem to WHINE @ your FAVORITE drivin' SPEED---YEA ! for inheritant Model A noises, NOBODY complains of a "little" WINE, ur I mint WHINE!
Yo' Dad W.

[mrtexas]

Originally Posted by MikeK

If you look at the MSDS you will see it is mostly OIL with a small percentage of additives. MSDS LINK
My old glass tube and steel ball viscosity rig has shown STP Hi-Mileage formulation to be about 4,700 SUS @ 100F. That's roughly iso 680 or thicker oil as the base.

All oils are not lubricants. Lube oils are branched chain paraffins.

[pooch]

Originally Posted by BILL WILLIAMSON

They ALWAYS seem to WHINE @ your FAVORITE drivin' SPEED---YEA ! for inheritant Model A noises, NOBODY complains of a "little" WINE, ur I mint WHINE!
Yo' Dad W.

Like the jumbo jet full of british tourists landing in Sydney.

After touchdown the jet's engine stopped whining, but the passengers didn't .

[CarlG]

Originally Posted by Mitch//pa

did they ever whine at 60 or 64

Do you want some cheese with that whine?

[MikeK]

Originally Posted by mrtexas

All oils are not lubricants. Lube oils are branched chain paraffins.

Lube oils from crude oil distillation are a mix of straight and branched chain HC's. The STP MSDS lists simply "Mineral oil" (AKA a crude oil, paraffinic, alkane) mix as the base ingredient. That's the same (approximately 64% straight chain) crude base source used for lubricants.

[raprice22]

Bruce,
Did you see what your started?
Rog

[mrtexas]

Originally Posted by MikeK

Lube oils from crude oil distillation are a mix of straight and branched chain HC's. The STP MSDS lists simply "Mineral oil" (AKA a crude oil, paraffinic, alkane) mix as the base ingredient. That's the same (approximately 64% straight chain) crude base source used for lubricants.

Lube oil is made from lube crudes. Any old crude won't make quality lubes. The lubes have to be in the crude to begin with. Making lubes is the process of removing what isn't lube from the lube cut on the crude unit vacuum tower. The first process takes out the aromatics. The second process takes out the waxes which are the straight chain HCs. The waxes are taken out so the lube oil doesn't turn into a solid at low temperatures. The lube oils are dewaxed to a pour point of 0-10F. What is left is lube base stock. Then add 30-40% of additives and you have automotive lube oil that you can buy at Walmart. Once upon a time back in the 80s I scheduled production at a lube oil plant that made 500,000 gal/day of lube base stocks and waxes.

Oh course now lube crudes are getting scarce and non-lube crude gas oils are hydrocracked to make lubes out of them.

It is a viscosity modifier to make thin lube oil into thicker lube oil.

[Rowdy]

I think for Meropa 680 it was $52 for 5 gallons. Likely it has gone up since 2006, but I would not think it has gone up to $35 per gallon. If you paid that price someone fleeced you good. Rod

[RonC]

According to STP their additive is designed to be mixed with oil not run straight.

[Mitch//pa]

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yep it says it in big letters on the front of the container

[Bob C]

Originally Posted by Rowdy

I think for Meropa 680 it was $52 for 5 gallons. Likely it has gone up since 2006, but I would not think it has gone up to $35 per gallon. If you paid that price someone fleeced you good. Rod

About $130 for 5 gal. http://www.ebay.com/itm/MOBIL-103499...item3396ed45f1

Bob

[mrtexas]

That 680 stuff gets very stiff in cold weather. Good for summer driving. Here is 600W the 460 stuff: http://www.mobil.com/Egypt-English/L...inder_Oil.aspx
http://www.amazon.com/MOBIL-600W-SUP.../dp/B00G97EIJ2
I've tried both. 680 great for a hot summer makes shifting a breeze. In cold weather it takes two hands and a lot of muscle to shift.

[BILL WILLIAMSON]

Originally Posted by Mitch//pa

yep it says it in big letters on the front of the container

BUT, duz anyone READ?? Does anyone even read whut's in the FOOD, thet you HOG down EVERYDAY? Does everyone know that when you drink JOY JUICE, the ALCOHOL is singled out & goes DIRECT to yo' LIVER & "COOKS" thet Dude & some goes to yo' "BRAIN" & cooks a mess uf BRAIN CELLS & you feel TIPSY & you wonder why you feel like CRAP, in the A.M.
YES, this is Model A related, DON'T DRINK & DRIVE WITH A SICK LIVER & A SUB-STANDARD BRAIN!
Bill W.

[Rowdy]

Merpo 680 is now $88.81 for 5 gallons. Some of the local Model A people mix in 20% Lucas oil stabilizer. Rod

[BILL WILLIAMSON]

Even OLIVE OIL feels SHLICKERY, don't put some unknown, strange stuff in your car, just because someone said so!!! I once checked out with 4 grocery items & a quart of PENNZOIL, check out artist, Richard, inquired, "And what are we cookin' tonight"?
Bill W.

[Mike V. Florida]

Originally Posted by RonC

According to STP their additive is designed to be mixed with oil not run straight.

Originally Posted by Mitch//pa

yep it says it in big letters on the front of the container

I would think they would push one to use 100% of their product to increase sales if they thought it was ok to use that way. I for one usually follow manufacturers instructions. Your results may vary.

[Brianfrench65]

Thanks to the knowledge in this forum; I have drained my transmission and put 600 wt oil from a local Model A supplier, and then added about a pint of STP.

This does seam to work much better than the straight STP. By the way, 24 hours to drain the STP, and looking inside, with the shifter cover removed, there was a sticky coating on everything.

Thank You again for the knowledge.