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twostickmutt · 08-24-2019, 10:15 AM

Question I have is about the seat in a '39. Were the coupes and tudor standards interchangeable in the '39s . I realize they fold open different but were they same dimension. thanks.

Kube · 08-24-2019, 10:24 AM

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Originally Posted by twostickmutt

Question I have is about the seat in a '39. Were the coupes and tudor standards interchangeable in the '39s . I realize they fold open different but were they same dimension. thanks.

Same seat tracks. Other than that, they are completely different.
The correct coupe seats are readily available and reasonably priced. I'd advertised on the HAMB for one recently and was offered many. Priced from $200 (cheap) - $700 (idiot insane) , I'd purchased a beauty for $300.

twostickmutt · 08-24-2019, 12:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Kube

Same seat tracks. Other than that, they are completely different.
The correct coupe seats are readily available and reasonably priced. I'd advertised on the HAMB for one recently and was offered many. Priced from $200 (cheap) - $700 (idiot insane) , I'd purchased a beauty for $300.

Thank you Kube !

Krylon32 · 08-24-2019, 01:49 PM

My first hot rod was a 39 deluxe coupe with a nail head in 1972. It had a split back bench seat which made it easy to access the area under the package tray. My newly acquired 40 standard coupe has the one piece back rest seat that is hinged at the top. What distinguishes what seat you have in a 40 coupe? Accessing the area behind the seat is not as handy as it was with the split bench. Am I right in assuming the business coupe with had the one piece back and the coupe with jump seats would of course have a split back?

Kube · 08-24-2019, 02:04 PM

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My first hot rod was a 39 deluxe coupe with a nail head in 1972. It had a split back bench seat which made it easy to access the area under the package tray. My newly acquired 40 standard coupe has the one piece back rest seat that is hinged at the top. What distinguishes what seat you have in a 40 coupe? Accessing the area behind the seat is not as handy as it was with the split bench. Am I right in assuming the business coupe with had the one piece back and the coupe with jump seats would of course have a split back?

The Business Coupe IS the one with the auxiliary seats. That body style was fit with a split back rest so folks (very tiny folks) could access the rear seating area.
The Coupe was fit the seat that had a one piece (solid) back rest - hinged at the top.

CHuDWah · 08-24-2019, 02:12 PM

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The Business Coupe IS the one with the auxiliary seats. That body style was fit with a split back rest so folks (very tiny folks) could access the rear seating area.
The Coupe was fit the seat that had a one piece (solid) back rest - hinged at the top.

And to add to that, the 39 did not have auxiliary seats so it had the top hinged backrest - apparently the seat in Krylon's coupe had been changed.

40cpe · 08-24-2019, 09:21 PM

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And to add to that, the 39 did not have auxiliary seats so it had the top hinged backrest - apparently the seat in Krylon's coupe had been changed.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/1939-Ford-D...QAAOSw0eNdXZON

tubman · 08-25-2019, 05:09 AM

Boy, would I love to have that car (the "eBay one)!

corvette8n · 08-25-2019, 06:54 AM

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Boy, would I love to have that car (the "eBay one)!

You can all you have to do is bid enough money lol.

CHuDWah · 08-25-2019, 12:48 PM

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https://www.ebay.com/itm/1939-Ford-D...QAAOSw0eNdXZON

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Egle bought this coupe a couple of years ago in North Carolina, and he had a nifty back seat installed, converting it to an "opera coupe."

"I have two granddaughters who need to have seat belts," Egle said, "so I had LeBaron Bonney install the back seat."

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Egle said when someone says, "Hey, Ford never made an opera coupe in 1939," he replies, "I know they didn't..."

http://www.tomstrongman.com/ClassicC...Egle/Index.htm

40cpe · 08-25-2019, 02:30 PM

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http://www.tomstrongman.com/ClassicC...Egle/Index.htm

And the ebay ad touts how "original" it is.

CHuDWah · 08-25-2019, 04:52 PM

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And the ebay ad touts how "original" it is.

Yup and "An innovation for the time, sealed beam headlights of the '39."

Not sure about the leather upholstery either. I know it could be ordered on 40 - dunno about 39.

It looks like a really nice car but an "original survivor" it ain't.

swoopNZ · 08-25-2019, 09:37 PM

Leather from the Factory was a fairly common option for the Canadian sourced Standards and Deluxes for us in New Zealand for 1939.
Available for both coupes and sedans.
The 39 standard sedans with the leather option used the same stitching patterns as the deluxe.

CHuDWah · 08-26-2019, 04:51 PM

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Leather from the Factory was a fairly common option for the Canadian sourced Standards and Deluxes for us in New Zealand for 1939.
Available for both coupes and sedans.
The 39 standard sedans with the leather option used the same stitching patterns as the deluxe.

I've read that Ford discouraged leather in US 40's, or at least grudgingly provided it to save a sale only if customer insisted. Think there was a letter to dealers in that regard. Again, dunno about 39.

Kube · 08-26-2019, 07:52 PM

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I've read that Ford discouraged leather in US 40's, or at least grudgingly provided it to save a sale only if customer insisted. Think there was a letter to dealers in that regard. Again, dunno about 39.

Leather was an option in 39 but very discouraged. What wasn't an option were the auxiliary seats. Not here in the USA they weren't.
This car is NOT as advertised.
My guess is whomever is selling it either doesn't know the truth or doesn't want to know the truth.
Cars like this scare me. I figure if the seller doesn't know better, oh oh. Or, if the seller does know better and continues to advertise the car as something it is plainly not, oh oh.
Either way it's sliced - OH OH.

CHuDWah · 08-27-2019, 11:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Kube

Leather was an option in 39 but very discouraged. What wasn't an option were the auxiliary seats. Not here in the USA they weren't.
This car is NOT as advertised.
My guess is whomever is selling it either doesn't know the truth or doesn't want to know the truth.
Cars like this scare me. I figure if the seller doesn't know better, oh oh. Or, if the seller does know better and continues to advertise the car as something it is plainly not, oh oh.
Either way it's sliced - OH OH.

In post #10 above, I linked to a site that tells the story on the auxiliary seats. I don't think Joe Egle is the seller as he had the seats installed and is well aware they're not original for 39. I also chuckled at the seller's comment about the "innovation for the time, sealed beams headlights of the 39."

Anyway, it looks like a nice car but it is NOT an "original survivor".

Kube · 08-27-2019, 01:25 PM

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Originally Posted by CHuDWah

In post #10 above, I linked to a site that tells the story on the auxiliary seats. I don't think Joe Egle is the seller as he had the seats installed and is well aware they're not original for 39. I also chuckled at the seller's comment about the "innovation for the time, sealed beams headlights of the 39."

Anyway, it looks like a nice car but it is NOT an "original survivor".

I went back and carefully looked over those photos again. That car is SOOOOOOOOOOOOO not "original".
Might be a nice car, but I'd caution anyone to bid on it as the car it is... a Nice "driver".

08-24-2019, 01:49 PM	#4
Krylon32 Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 4,470	Re: 39 standard seat My first hot rod was a 39 deluxe coupe with a nail head in 1972. It had a split back bench seat which made it easy to access the area under the package tray. My newly acquired 40 standard coupe has the one piece back rest seat that is hinged at the top. What distinguishes what seat you have in a 40 coupe? Accessing the area behind the seat is not as handy as it was with the split bench. Am I right in assuming the business coupe with had the one piece back and the coupe with jump seats would of course have a split back?

08-25-2019, 05:09 AM	#8
tubman Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2013 Location: Minnesota, Florida Keys Posts: 10,303	Re: 39 standard seat Boy, would I love to have that car (the "eBay one)!

08-25-2019, 09:37 PM	#13
swoopNZ MEMBER EMERITUS Join Date: May 2010 Location: New Zealand Posts: 1,380	Re: 39 standard seat Leather from the Factory was a fairly common option for the Canadian sourced Standards and Deluxes for us in New Zealand for 1939. Available for both coupes and sedans. The 39 standard sedans with the leather option used the same stitching patterns as the deluxe.

08-24-2019, 10:15 AM	#1
twostickmutt Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2015 Location: hinsdale,ma Posts: 200	39 standard seat Question I have is about the seat in a '39. Were the coupes and tudor standards interchangeable in the '39s . I realize they fold open different but were they same dimension. thanks.