Go Back   The Ford Barn > General Discussion > Model A (1928-31)

Sponsored Links (Register now to hide all advertisements)

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 11-07-2011, 07:15 PM   #1
msmaron
Senior Member
 
msmaron's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2010
Location: Wauconda, IL
Posts: 3,519
Send a message via AIM to msmaron
Default Suggestions for slant window outside mirrors needed

Well I know this has come up before on FB, but I have a 31 slant window fordor and I need suggestions and pictures of what you guys are using for your outside driver and passenger mirrors I have a fresh paint job so I don't want anything to drill or to clip onto the doors that may damage the paint any suggestions pictures or help would be greatly appreciated thanks guys and gals.
__________________
Mark Maron
Ill., Region MARC & MAFCA
27A's, MARC JSC Member
2021 Oshkosh National Meet Chief Judge
National Facebook Admin.
https://www.facebook.com/groups/MARC.group/

A7191-Sport Coupe
29 Roadster
29-Town Sedan
msmaron is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-07-2011, 07:39 PM   #2
Bruce Adams
Senior Member
 
Bruce Adams's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2010
Location: Northport, NY
Posts: 1,595
Default Re: Suggestions for slant window outside mirrors needed

I have had LBB sideviews on my 68C hinges for a long time.
They are the ones that are "not for slant windshild cars."
I do have a 3.75" convex mirror stuck on the passenger side one since it didn't have the proper view without the stick on. (I saw telephone poles and fences, but not cars along side.)
Bruce Adams is offline   Reply With Quote
Sponsored Links (Register now to hide all advertisements)
Old 11-07-2011, 08:38 PM   #3
msmaron
Senior Member
 
msmaron's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2010
Location: Wauconda, IL
Posts: 3,519
Send a message via AIM to msmaron
Default Re: Suggestions for slant window outside mirrors needed

Quote:
Originally Posted by Bruce Adams View Post
I have had LBB sideviews on my 68C hinges for a long time.
They are the ones that are "not for slant windshild cars."
I do have a 3.75" convex mirror stuck on the passenger side one since it didn't have the proper view without the stick on. (I saw telephone poles and fences, but not cars along side.)
Bruce heard of others doing this also but it just does not work
Thanks buddy!!
__________________
Mark Maron
Ill., Region MARC & MAFCA
27A's, MARC JSC Member
2021 Oshkosh National Meet Chief Judge
National Facebook Admin.
https://www.facebook.com/groups/MARC.group/

A7191-Sport Coupe
29 Roadster
29-Town Sedan
msmaron is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-09-2011, 10:43 AM   #4
clinton perry
Junior Member
 
Join Date: May 2010
Posts: 10
Default Re: Suggestions for slant window outside mirrors needed

Mark, please email me your phone number. I have devised a very useful and attractive mirror setup that will not injure your finish. Clinton Perry, WRLP@aol.com.
clinton perry is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-09-2011, 12:36 PM   #5
Joop
Senior Member
 
Joop's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2010
Location: Glendale, AZ
Posts: 2,479
Default Re: Suggestions for slant window outside mirrors needed

We all like to know!
Joop is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-09-2011, 06:07 PM   #6
Doug in NJ
Senior Member
 
Doug in NJ's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2010
Location: Princeton, NJ
Posts: 960
Default Re: Suggestions for slant window outside mirrors needed

I have tried a couple of different clamp-on mirrors, and I was not happy with either one. One could not be adjusted to a useable angle, and on the other the clamp was too big and interfered with the door closing.

Doug
__________________
My '31 S/W sedan project:http://31ford.dougbraun.com
My restoration diary: http://dougbraun.com/blog
Doug in NJ is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-19-2011, 06:09 PM   #7
msmaron
Senior Member
 
msmaron's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2010
Location: Wauconda, IL
Posts: 3,519
Send a message via AIM to msmaron
Default Re: Suggestions for slant window outside mirrors needed

Seems that the ONLY Solution that i have found is a peep mirror on the Wind Wings, looks good and functions well. Any one else have any suggestions at this time?
__________________
Mark Maron
Ill., Region MARC & MAFCA
27A's, MARC JSC Member
2021 Oshkosh National Meet Chief Judge
National Facebook Admin.
https://www.facebook.com/groups/MARC.group/

A7191-Sport Coupe
29 Roadster
29-Town Sedan
msmaron is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-19-2011, 07:08 PM   #8
John Stone
Senior Member
 
John Stone's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2010
Location: Wichita, Kansas
Posts: 707
Default Re: Suggestions for slant window outside mirrors needed

Don't give up. If I get motivated I will take some pictures of what I did to solve the very problem you are having. I did drill and tap some holes in the hinge but did not damage the paint. It's do you want to see the blind spot or just look at your nice paint job when you change lanes?
John Stone is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-19-2011, 07:28 PM   #9
msmaron
Senior Member
 
msmaron's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2010
Location: Wauconda, IL
Posts: 3,519
Send a message via AIM to msmaron
Default Re: Suggestions for slant window outside mirrors needed

Quote:
Originally Posted by John Stone View Post
Don't give up. If I get motivated I will take some pictures of what I did to solve the very problem you are having. I did drill and tap some holes in the hinge but did not damage the paint. It's do you want to see the blind spot or just look at your nice paint job when you change lanes?

Well lets see some pics for all of us...please
__________________
Mark Maron
Ill., Region MARC & MAFCA
27A's, MARC JSC Member
2021 Oshkosh National Meet Chief Judge
National Facebook Admin.
https://www.facebook.com/groups/MARC.group/

A7191-Sport Coupe
29 Roadster
29-Town Sedan
msmaron is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-19-2011, 08:47 PM   #10
Bill Cilker
Senior Member
 
Bill Cilker's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2011
Location: Milpitas, CA
Posts: 273
Default Re: Suggestions for slant window outside mirrors needed

I used the black pickup mirror brackets (Bratton's # 24230, 50). I think that I had to drill the bracket holes bigger for the bigger pin and I had to find longer pins.
Attached Images
File Type: jpg P7160503s.jpg (79.6 KB, 70 views)
__________________
Bill Cilker, Jr
Unrestored 190A
45B, 160B & 189A
Bill Cilker is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-19-2011, 09:31 PM   #11
Tom Endy
Senior Member
 
Tom Endy's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2010
Location: Southern California
Posts: 2,658
Default Re: Suggestions for slant window outside mirrors needed

I just recently mounted a side view mirror on the right side of my Victoria using the hinge pin. The previous owner had installed the same arrangement on the left side years ago. I thought the right side would be a simple task.

What I dioscovered was that the hinge pins on slant window cars are larger in diameter and the hinge pin mirrors offered by suppliers won't fit.

The hinge pins on most Model A's, according to supplier documentation are .233-.236 in diameter. Oversize pins with a .244 diameter are also available to be used with bored out repaired hinges. The Victoria, Cabriolet, and slant window sedans, which have only two hinges per door instead of three, have a larger diameter pin. Supplier documentation indicates the diameter is .279 according to Snyder and Mac's, and 9\32" (.281) according to Bratton. Neither supplier offers an oversize pin.

Accessory outside rear view mirrors that mount on the door hinge have a shaft pin that is sized to fit a standard Model A and cannot be used on the Victoria, Cabriolet, and slant window sedans. Neither Snyder, Mac's nor Bratton supply a hinge-mounted mirror to accommodate these cars.

What I did was remove the top hinge pin on the right side. It measured a nominal 0.300. Someone must have bored it out and made a pin for it. I had a machinist friend make a new pin on a lathe the same size only longer. The bottom end was made smaller and threaded for the 1\4-20" acorn nut that comes with the mirror that is not supposed to fit a slant window car. The top hole of the mirror bracket was drilled out to fit the pin. I had to add a 0.010 shim between the hinge and the mirror bracket.

Looking at the left side it appears that a larger pin was fabricated for that side as well.

I now have a well suited mirror on the right side and I can see cars lurking in the blind area.


Tom Endy
Tom Endy is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-20-2011, 01:52 PM   #12
John Stone
Senior Member
 
John Stone's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2010
Location: Wichita, Kansas
Posts: 707
Default Re: Suggestions for slant window outside mirrors needed

I went out in the cold garage and took some pictures of the 400A and also one of the pickup mirror. When I installed them on the 400, I copied the technique used on the pickup. Along with the aforementioned pin problem, I found the mirror you buy from the suppliers won't come back far enough to be able to adjust the head so you can see. Out came the dremel tool and I just started grinding off the part that was hitting until it folded back in a suitable position for adjustment. The mounting is quite solid. Drilling the holes was not that difficult.
Attached Images
File Type: jpg DSCN3756.jpg (30.9 KB, 57 views)
File Type: jpg DSCN3754.jpg (34.3 KB, 55 views)
File Type: jpg DSCN3759.jpg (32.7 KB, 54 views)
File Type: jpg DSCN3761.jpg (34.1 KB, 55 views)
File Type: jpg DSCN3762.jpg (30.5 KB, 53 views)
John Stone is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-20-2011, 02:39 PM   #13
Joop
Senior Member
 
Joop's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2010
Location: Glendale, AZ
Posts: 2,479
Default Re: Suggestions for slant window outside mirrors needed

I have the same setup as John Stone.



The driver side mirror works great in seeing the traffic behind you BUT on the passenger side I can't bend the mirror head enough to have a clear view.

What to do about it? I do have 6 inch mirrors on them now but even with 4 inch mirrors it does not work.


..
Joop is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-20-2011, 04:34 PM   #14
John Stone
Senior Member
 
John Stone's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2010
Location: Wichita, Kansas
Posts: 707
Default Re: Suggestions for slant window outside mirrors needed

Quote:
Originally Posted by Ed View Post
This may seem obvious, but I will suggest it anyway. After looking at your previous post I see you have dual side mounts. I have seen photos of roadsters that have a mirror mounted of the side mount spares. Is this something that you would consider?
Been there done that. Mirrors are just a blur due to vibration of the sidemounts. Also, I had leather straps and the first time they got wet, they slid back on the tire. They look nice but if you are going to drive your car, try for some good mirrors. If you see'em coming, you might be able to get out of the way.
John Stone is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-20-2011, 04:37 PM   #15
John Stone
Senior Member
 
John Stone's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2010
Location: Wichita, Kansas
Posts: 707
Default Re: Suggestions for slant window outside mirrors needed

Quote:
Originally Posted by Joop View Post
I have the same setup as John Stone.



The driver side mirror works great in seeing the traffic behind you BUT on the passenger side I can't bend the mirror head enough to have a clear view.

What to do about it? I do have 6 inch mirrors on them now but even with 4 inch mirrors it does not work.


..
That is why you have to grind on the inside of the mount next to the door hinge to get the bracket to move back. I ground on both side to get the desired result.
John Stone is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-20-2011, 06:45 PM   #16
1931 flamingo
Senior Member
 
1931 flamingo's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2010
Location: new britain,ct 06052
Posts: 8,652
Default Re: Suggestions for slant window outside mirrors needed

Joop: Mine's a tudor, hinge mount mirrors. Left side OK. "formed the rh side a bit and if I sit a "skosh" to the right it's fine. I don't have a dremel.
Paul in CT
1931 flamingo is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump

Sponsored Links (Register now to hide all advertisements)


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 09:37 AM.