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Old 08-15-2011, 10:29 AM   #1
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When my engine was built I went with the truck pan with the big oil hole and bracket on the back of the pan. After the engine was installed in my 40 I found out the later starter plate could not be installed until I removed the bracket. I carefully tried to remove the bottom part of the truck plate from the oil pan but upon removing a stubborn spotweld opened a 1/8" hole in the pan. Luckily the hole is close to the big inspection cover on the pan. I do not want to remove the pan to repair the hole; what is the best way to go? Can I carefully wireweld the hole or should I braze or solder it. Thought about JB weld but not sure it will work. Looking for opinions.
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Old 08-15-2011, 11:19 AM   #2
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Does the pan have oil or oil residue in it?
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Old 08-15-2011, 11:43 AM   #3
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can you put a nut and bolt with rubber washers on both sides? or possible put a pop rivet into the hole using JB weld as a sealer?
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Old 08-15-2011, 01:37 PM   #4
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Yes there is oil residue in pan but with the large cover I can get in there with a rag and some brake cleaner and to remove. The hole is is about an 1" from the large cover pointing towards the starter motor. I could put an 1/8 steel pop rivet in hole but not sure about sealing properties of JB weld with heat expansion/contraction
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Old 08-15-2011, 01:44 PM   #5
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I have used JB weld on a small pin hole in my pan with great sucess.
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Old 08-15-2011, 07:26 PM   #6
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Put the pop rivet in and JB weld. It will be there for ever. Walt
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Old 08-17-2011, 10:58 AM   #7
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Thanks Walt, put a steel rivet in and spread a level coat of JB weld over it and will paint newly exposed pan with POR 15 paint. One I fire the enigine up for the first time and get it warm will check for leaks.
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Old 08-17-2011, 01:26 PM   #8
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clean the back side & weld it over head welding is not hard . if you can,t do it take it to a muffler shop why bother with all the glue stuff which can give a proulbem if you weld it it fixed right for good
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Old 08-17-2011, 01:47 PM   #9
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Do not weld on anything after useing brake cleaner. I would weld it with a gas welder.
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Old 08-17-2011, 08:30 PM   #10
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I worked at a shop that asked me to weld up a hole in the pan. I refused to put an open flame or anything glowing near the oily residue in the pan. Someone else started to weld up the hole and there was an explosion, but fortunately no one was hurt.
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Brake cleaner and welding will kill ya dead dead dead.
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Old 08-17-2011, 10:51 PM   #12
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Brake cleaner and welding will kill ya dead dead dead.
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That's a pretty broad statement, could you please enlighten us,
and tell us more about exactly how it will kill a person.
Are you talking about fire/explosion, OR toxic dangers ?
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Old 08-17-2011, 11:48 PM   #13
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That's a pretty broad statement, could you please enlighten us,
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Be glad to. Chlorinated compounds such as brake cleaners decompose to become phosgene when exposed to extreme heat. The use of argon gas may also enhance the conversion by sheilding the process from exposure to the air.

Phosgene is an organic gas as is Mustard Gas, and was used extensively as an anti-personell weapon during WWI.
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Old 08-18-2011, 08:01 AM   #14
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Years ago I was trying to pretty up a Chevy ram horn exhaust manifold and while grinding off a titty (yes, I said titty), I ground a hole into the manifold. Not having another I thought I would try to patch it with JBWeld. That manifold is still in use.
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Old 08-18-2011, 08:48 AM   #15
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Be glad to. Chlorinated compounds such as brake cleaners decompose to become phosgene when exposed to extreme heat. The use of argon gas may also enhance the conversion by sheilding the process from exposure to the air.


Phosgene is an organic gas as is Mustard Gas, and was used extensively as an anti-personell weapon during WWI.
Most if not all brake cleaners today have a label stating non chlorinated.Not the same outcome.

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Old 08-18-2011, 09:53 AM   #16
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Just exactly how hard is it to remove the pan? Good grief if you were on the side of the road it's OK to OBAMA rig the thing, but otherwise...
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Old 08-19-2011, 08:08 AM   #17
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Really, Rat?! Here's a news flash for you: "It's the 21st century". You can quit acting like a hill billy bigot now.
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Old 08-19-2011, 02:46 PM   #18
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Really, Rat?! Here's a news flash for you: "It's the 21st century". You can quit acting like a hill billy bigot now.
Thanks TBIRD, you're spot on, this a car forum. There are other venues where you are welcome to express racist or political views.
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Old 08-19-2011, 05:03 PM   #19
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Off colour comments aside, it is a valid point, it's not a roadside fix, why not pull the motor and do a proper repair, ensuring all the parts used are compatible with each other.

It's only a hobby after all, this is fun, right??

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Old 08-19-2011, 06:17 PM   #20
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You're from England! What do you know?

Comments like what I responded to are totally uncalled from and push my button. There are political and racist overtones to what was posted by a totally new guy to this forum. He needs to have respect for others' viewpoints by not posting his own narrow perspective that he decided to draw upon and invoke on an otherwise benign thread subject. I hate to say it, but it is more than likely a reflection on the poor public education system in my country. I have always had respect for those overseas who well ahead of us have learned the lessons that we are still struggling with in this country. But, other than that, I have no opinion on the matter.
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Old 08-19-2011, 08:20 PM   #21
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We're all pretty much in agreement here. We are here for our mutual interest in Fords, and we respect each other's views on touchy subjects by simply not discussing them. That's a tried and true way to keep old friends and make new ones.
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Old 08-19-2011, 11:10 PM   #22
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How about next time just ignore the ignorant and answer the question?

Take the pan off, repair it right(weld it up) and move on. Not a fan of JB weld where oil will be or has been. It never seems to seal up. JB works great on manifolds and such. My buddy has a boat with a cracked block (4 cyl. mercruiser) JB weld repaired the crack and it's been in constant service for 15 years. True story.
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Old 08-20-2011, 12:08 AM   #23
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cwh, when these things happen, they rightfully become a learning experience for us all. Even the righteous among us can learn.
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Old 08-20-2011, 01:55 AM   #24
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Id use the mig welder. taking it in small steps.
Letting it cool in between.

Ive done it, and yes there can be a bang, been there done that

The only "chemical" i use in an engine is Bars Leak.
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Old 08-21-2011, 12:27 AM   #25
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Pop rivet a penny on the inside, form the penny to fit and put jb weld in between the pan hole and penny, it'll never come loose or leak,had to do it on a mack diesel out in the oilfield , it ran for years like that,no problems.
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Old 08-21-2011, 07:22 AM   #26
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Boy!!! This thread got all off course!! Hope goes well with the oil pan leak! Ken
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Old 08-21-2011, 08:49 AM   #27
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Steel pop rivet and JB weld worked, will check when engine is started and running until warm.
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